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Is being Agnostic the best religious choice? Isn't it like playing it safe?

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Agnostic: One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

               One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

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I swear that there's no heaven but I pray that there's no hell ;)

Side: yes
2 points

If you are Agnostic you neither believe nor disbelieve.

You believe in sciences, while still giving the benefit of the doubt towards there being some greater power.

It is essentially like playing it safe, if atheists are wrong then they're screwed. However if nothing does happen when we die, hey as an Agnostic you never ignored sciences and lead an enlightened life.

Side: yes
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A downvote without an opposing argument. Hmm, I must be on to something! What cannot be refuted must be irrefutable! =P

Side: yes
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I believe thoroughly that Agnosticism is the best possible mentality to maintain in a religious sense. Despite what everyone says, no one has an answer at all as to how it began or will end. Religious people will say God made it and will be there for us at absolution. Atheists say shit blew up, here we are and that's it. As an agnostic the general ideal is to not argue with anyone and merely weigh all the facts, ideals and theories accordingly and then base your judgment on that. It is the most open minded mentality possible as well as the most humble.

Side: yes
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I guess I'm playing it safe, but I fail to see anything wrong with it.

Agnostics simply admit that they don't know the answer to something that is impossible to know.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
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I fail to see how agnosticism is playing it safe. Do you think that God is gonna be like "Well, he was an agnostic...... close enough, right?". If we are talking about christian theology here, just considering that god 'might be real' is not going to earn you a place in heaven, it doesn't work like that. Even if it did, then wouldn't God see through your act?

To me it seems as silly as considering the existence of Ahura Mazda (God of the Zoroastrians) just in case he is real. You realize there are millions of gods and hundreds of religions. At a certain point you just need to not be paranoid about it.

Side: No
1 point

It is better than absolute atheism in terms of not believing ANY god.. it's still possible, although certain gods by definition just aren't true.

Side: Yes
3 points

As an Atheist, I disbelieve in something that no one can provide ANY evidence for.

As an Agnostic, I don't believe in Absolutes.

as much of a douchebag Ledhead is, I'll have to agree with him on this one. I am both Agnostic and Atheist.

Side: No
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Haha, I'm not a douche I just debate passionately. And I'm glad you finally get what I was trying to say however many months ago that was.

Side: No
1 point

1 Post in 69 days, you going to make a comeback? =P

Side: No
1 point

Who is Ledhead?

So as an Atheist you don't put everything beyond a total doubt?

Side: yes
1 point

he was a major Secular Progressive who came to this site.

I had a huge debate with him about Agnosticism vs. Atheism. I'll admit that I was a bit wrong. I will still say that people view them in different lights, but I actually like Ledhead's definition and live by that one.

As an atheist, I filter out bullshit. Someone claims that something is real and I'll ask for evidence. If they can't provide anything, i'll simply ignore them.

But as an Agnostic, I'll also understand that we can never be too sure about major issues like God and Universal Origins.

Side: yes

Firstly, it's impossible to vote yes or no when you're presented with two questions.

Secondly, agnosticism is not a religious choice.

I look at those who claim to be agnostic as people who have either failed to make a decision on the subject of theism vs atheism, or simply don't want to state which way they're leaning.

Nobody can say with 100% certainty if anything supernatural exists.

If you ask me, nothing exists until it's proven to exist and from that point on, "belief" in its existence is no longer required.

Take the god of Christianity; the only reason anybody believes he exists is because there's a book that says he does. The fact that this book falls apart the moment it's held up to any level of scrutiny above that which a five year old is capable of, leads me to believe his existence is quite improbable.

Therefore, given the choice of considering myself part of the atheist or theist camp, I would certainly choose the former, but there's no way to know for sure which camp's got it right.

Because I recognize this, am I an agnostic rather than an atheist? If you want to split hairs, such a recognition makes all who share it agnostic, no matter what we consider to be the most likely reality.

So in answer to the second question, since it's the only valid one of the two, I'd have to say no...it isn't like playing it safe.

Side: No
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
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If Agnosticism was the best religion choice you could say it was like playing it safe.

What makes you think agnosticism isn't a religion? Would you also say atheism isn't a religious view?

Side: yes
1 point

Perhaps it would be better if you explained why you think it is.

It seems obvious to me, that both positions by their very definition involve a lack of religiosity.

Side: No
1 point

"Best" as an alternative to.... what exactly?

If you say atheism or theism I may not be able to slap you in reality, but I will be doing so in my mind.

Side: No
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
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Given the definition of Agnostic is between Atheism and Catholicism as a religion, thats why I provided the dictionary definition in the debates description =P

If hypothetically speaking there is a God, if you denounce him then you are screwed for all eternity.

However if God is non existent ( which I know you are a firm believer of ) then as an Atheist you get the cookie in the end with being right.

As Agnostic you get the cookie either way.

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
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don't most protestant religions say if you don't affirm him your screwed. so as a agnostic you don't get the cookie.So a agnostic isn't playing it safe according to some religions; also there is no such thing in religion all of them can be wrong and the true religion stopped being passed along and thus all of us are going to burn in hell... also if god keeps his other properties commonly given to him he becomes evil if there is a hell. all-knowing; all-powerful ,freewill, hell, all good, etc. lead to inconsistencies when one reasons with them.

Side: No

Being an agnostic means that you have no religious preference. If, perchance, there is a God - then you 'lucked out'. The only chance you have (if there is a God) is to believe in the right religion.

Side: No
1 point

Agnosticism isn't a religious choice, unless you are religious beforehand and choose to not be certain, which seems to be unheard of.

Most reasonable people don't take unnecessary absolutes. In philosophical matters it's the same, it's better to admit ignorance than to preach certainty. On the issue of god, upon hearing the best evidence gathered over the centuries, a logical, rational mind is unconvinced. That means that without appealing to emotions or threats, god has no leg to stand on. However most atheists won't say "I know for certain that there is no god" because although very unlikely, one can't have completely certainty on the issue.

Side: No
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
1 point

Agnosticism is as much a religion as Atheism.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Agnosticism is as much a religion as Atheism.

You're joking, right? Neither are religions by definition.

Side: No
1 point

Being agnostic is not a religion. It is merely, in my opinion, a term used to describe a person who has yet to decide for himself/herself what side they want to stick to. The side that says there is no God(Atheism) vs. The side that says there is a God(Theism). My friend and I were discussing this the other day. She has already made up her mind and has chosen Atheism, which she has no shame in saying aloud. I am still undecided, so I guess you would call me "agnostic". But, being agnostic is not a religion. Either you believe or you don't.

On a side note, if you don't believe in God and it turns out there is a God, then you, along with the undecided agnostics are screwed. If you were right and there was no God, then you would have lived a justified life. But, if you believe in God, you will be fulfilled both ways. Go to heaven, or just to have lived a good life. You take a chance either way, but one side seems to hold more reward.

Side: No
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

i would say that agnostics are not unsure of their position, they have decided it is a subject which is currently impossible to decide on. That is their position, atheism and theism agrees that it is a subject possible to decide on. As a agnostic you have both theism and atheism against you.

Side: yes
1 point

No, I'm a Christian and if you dont believe in God then your really the same as an Athiest

You cant have the best of both worlds with Religion. You have to fully believe in Christ for you to be safe.

I dont want to say anything more because I cant judge people as its a sin. But as far as i'm concerned its not the best religious choice. I think the best religious choice is religion. I myself believe God is real, I have no doubts but if he wasnt I wouldnt really lose out on anything. I would have lead a moral good life, but if i was an athiest/agnostic and I didnt believe in God and then I found out God was real the hard way then i'd lose.. badly.

Side: No
casper3912(1581) Disputed
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your not going to Valhalla. maybe hades? maybe your going to be downgraded or upgraded for your next life... sure you didn't lose out on anything?

Side: yes

How is it 'playing safe'? If there is a God, he would accept those who have accepted him; agnostics do not 'accept' God is such a manner.

Side: No
1 point

Well, it's just as "dangerous" a route as atheism because you're neutral. God's not going to say "Well, you didn't follow the rules, but you didn't break any, so I'll just open the gates of Saint Peter here for you. Enjoy heaven!". C'mon dudes, don't be a Switzerland.

Side: No
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It's not a choice at all. If one wants to avoid a subject one should simply state they don't want to answer, not make up some inbetween world in an attempt to make all things real an imagined happy.

If it is important enough for one to think about, make a decision damnit!

If not, say as much and move on.

;)

Side: No
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
1 point

So you, as an Atheist, believe without a doubt that there is not even a slight chance of you being incorrect? Do you believe in 100%?

Side: yes
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

iamdavidh, have you stopped beating your wife yet? <-- classic example of a loaded question. It assumes you have a wife, and that you beat her previously.

Are you a atheist or theist?

assumes certain levels of conviction, and leaves out skepticism of available information. assumes one can not be 100% sure the question is a loaded question aka 100% sure you are 0% sure on the question. Also it is possible to be non-religious and not a atheist, however a answer of theist will suggest one is religious in everyday usage and be inaccurate. By this i mean one can see a underlying unity in life, and choose to see this in mystical terms.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

... Choice implies choosing. Agnostic implies lack of choice, thus by definition not a religious choice... Why the f&^% is this so hard? And who keeps downvoting me?

Anyway, absolute knowledge of any sort is impossible, it is unfair to expect it in any circumstance.

Atheist or theist is a matter of what one thinks is more likely.

Human's are incapable of not thinking one or the other of any choice is at least a fraction more or less likely unless they have 0 knowledge.

Assuming since the words "agnostic" and "religious" are in the very title, one would then make a connection between the two if they had never even heard the term agnostic.

Meaning they have an opinion. Pretend you don't if you will, but I know damn well you are either a theist of one sort or another, or an atheist of one sort or another, and that an absolute agnostic is a myth.

Side: No