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It has good morals It is usless,stupid and bad
Debate Score:22
Arguments:18
Total Votes:23
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Is communism good? (despite the fact it lacks motivation)

It has good morals

Side Score: 13
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It is usless,stupid and bad

Side Score: 9

I think it is good and can work in real life if we made some small edits

Side: It has good morals
1 point

From the little I know about it, and I promise it's a little, I don't see too many negatives about it.

Side: It has good morals

It works in theory but sadly every communist leader so far has been a crazy tyrant for some reason.

Side: It has good morals
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
3 points

Working in theory and working in reality are two entirely different things.

Side: It is usless,stupid and bad
SomeOddworld(10) Disputed
1 point

Isn't that more or less what I said? It works in theory but has never worked in reality.

Side: It has good morals

I made this exact debate only weeks ago. Please try to come up with something original...

Side: It has good morals
1 point

I wish I were more knowledgeable on this topic. It is a subject I intend to research in the near future. There are so many brands of communism (Marxism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc.) and they differ so greatly, that I think it is difficult to catergorise the term 'communism' as either good or bad.

At this moment I will tentatively agree with the opening statement. From the little I know right now, I believe the intentions of Marxism and Trotskyism were intrinsically good (Stalinism...not so much).

However, one only needs to read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell to see how easily the philosophy of the 'Old Major' (Marx) is corrupted.

To quote Marxist scholar Hal Draper: "there are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike."

Side: It has good morals
2 points

The real problem with communism is that it doesn't work. The countries that try it generally end up switching to a capitalist and hopefully democratic model of society.

Side: It could be but it isn't

The despite lack of motivation is a bit if, it's probably the largest problem with communism, and can't simply be ignored.

But other than that, there are still pro's and con's.

Pros: you're forced to fear the government, what you're given by the government is basic and spartan, so everyone gets the same, low standard of living, there are queues everywhere as people don't work hard, creating stress in everything, with no promotions, no rewards, it's hard to find fulfilment, when people don't own things, they don't take care of things, so everything seems shabby, and depressive, there's masses of inefficiency in businesses, and stuff gets wasted.

I'm not going into the cons, I'm you know them unless you wouldn't have answered the question. On paper it does look good, but it's idealistic, and impossible to implement. If I could see a successful communist nation, I would be happy, but I just don't think it's realistic.

They say the smartest person in a capitalist country is the market, it's smarter than any of the individuals within it. So, in communism, there is no equivalent. In capitalism, everything just as complicated, but everyone uses their most valuable resource, their knowledge of themselves, to organise the economy for themselves. It doesn't sound as good, but in practice it works much better.

Neither system is intristically better, I think the best system would be communism, but capitalism works better under normal situations.

Side: It could be but it isn't

you misunderstood me the despite means that find something else if there is nothing else then we can concentrate on fixing the motivation problem

Side: It is usless,stupid and bad
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
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But you simply can't fix the motivational problem without combining communism and capitalism, which is then no longer communism. I support a mix, a strong welfare state may not be the best economical choice, but it aids to the best standard of living for a population as a whole, I believe.

The problem is, communism dictates that every single person gets exactly the same living conditions, possessions, choices, and lack of civil rights, among other things. To me, and many others, one of the things that motivates me to work hard is rewards, whether they be financial, for long term gains, or knowledge. If you take this away, as communism does, I can safely say without a doubt that I, and billions of other people, would not work as hard.

You need rewards to motivate most people to work hard, without the promise of rewards you can't get them to work as hard.

Side: It could be but it isn't

Based on a concept only very new to human nature - working for the common good - communism falls too quickly to more pervasive human vices. While 'good' as in, communism would be an ideal, it is currently unachievable.

Side: It is usless,stupid and bad