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Is feminism sexist?

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Side Score: 21
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2 points

I equate it to me fighting for the rights of the "LGBT" community. I shouldn't be a Homosexualist for supporting it, that leaves out the rest of the community that is not homosexual who struggle with the same issues and rights.

I believe in the rights of women, and men and all sexes or genders. Sexism is sexism, it's still the same discrimination and we should fight against it no matter who the victim is.

The movement focusing more on women had an appropriate time when that focus was necessary. Now we need to fight for everyone who becomes a victim of sexism.

Side: Yes

I agree 100%

Side: Yes
Jace(5220) Clarified
1 point

I agree that women are not the only ones hurt by sexism, and I am wholeheartedly for the dissolution of traditional gender norms and expectations that restrict the natural diversity of human personality and experience. That being said, women and female-identifying persons still tend to bear the brunt of sexism and gender norms. Feminism is not necessarily discriminatory against men because it is not inherently saying that women are better or that they should be treated better in any respect; rather the point is that women are treated as unequal and mainstream feminism seeks to level the playing field. This does not preclude also being a masculinist or advocating for male liberation as well. It does not discriminate against men, and thus would not qualify as sexist.

And your comparison to the LGBT "community" demonstrates the above better than I think you realized. No, it does not make sense to only advocate for homosexuals when bisexual, transgender, gender queer, and other groups face the same issues. However, this does not put being heterosexual and cisgendered on the same level. Those identities do not need nearly as much advocacy because they already enjoy considerably more privileges. This is not to say that progress is not needed amongst those populations, but that the absence of progress is far more poignant within the queer population.

Side: Yes
2 points

The modern day form of feminism in the US is pretty sexist, I understand that they want to fight for womens rights, but most of them have not presented any real logical solutions to fix the gender inequality problem, all they seem to do is fish for anything that can be remotley interpreted as sexist and wine about it till they get their way. I know women face problems due to their gender, but men also have inequality as well; child custody cases favor the mother despite how much the father contributed to raising them, crime sentencing for males is harsher than for females who commited the same crime, many cases of sexual abuses towards men go unreported and/or are not taken seriously, etc.

Side: Yes

They only fight for one gender. They say they are for equality but I don't see them sticking up for mens rights either :/

Side: Yes
rightwrong(285) Disputed
1 point

Men don't necessarily have rights that need to be fought for.

I am in no way a feminist and I think that feminist groups are radical and extreme.

Side: No
1 point

"Men don't necessarily have rights that need to be fought for"

How about the fact that when a women hits a man they cant hit back or how about when a married couple get a divorce the women most if not all of the time gets full custody of the child or children.

Side: Yes

It's not sexist to fight for genders equality. But when the border got crossed and men got the blame. It turned out sexist. - But women give more crap about it than men for obvious reasons.

Side: Yes
1 point

Feminism is a classic example of liberal fascism . If they really want to help women, they should start with the offensive way women are treated my Islam.

Side: Yes
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

Fascism: (n) a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government. Sorry, but I do not think feminism quite matches the definition. And the majority of feminists do oppose conservative Islam's treatment of women.

Side: No
1 point

Women in developed countries actually have a voice and the capacity to organize and campaign in the interest of improving their standing.

You suggest that, instead of doing this where they can actually make a difference, they should be working to free women oppressed by Islam. How exactly would they go about that? We aren't talking about a military organization here, we're talking about a group of liberal women. There is absolutely nothing they can do for Islam directly that wouldn't end up with them raped and either murdered or borderline enslaved.

Islamic culture is heavily entrenched. There is no bloodless way to help the women of Islam, and even military intervention won't cut it alone. To free the women of Islam would require not only military intervention, but physically removing the women from the regions of the world where Islam rules. Helping the women of Islam would by necessity require a movement that engenders some feminist ideals into the government and military of one or more developed countries, and most likely waging an unpopular illegal war in order to accomplish it (and this assumes all the women even want to be freed- remember, this culture is seriously entrenched). Your suggestion is akin to storming Berlin before Normandy Beach has been taken.

Side: No
1 point

Emma Watson's dumbass little argument in front of the UN proved it... "I can guarantee you, in every single country, not every woman is treated equally." ...Not all men are either. Feminism is a movement to get women more rights than men.

"You say you were raped? Eh, she's probably telling the truth, if I asked any questions, I'd be fucking supporting rape."

Side: Yes
1 point

What is sexism? And what by feminism do you understand? It's an ideology. To call feminism extremism is like to say all muslims are terrorists. (Which I hope you are not a believer of.) Feminism is a fight against sexism, against unfair treatment of women. If you believe that this is not a social issue. I must confess you are not only ignorant but also insensitive. Because there are several aspects that you are ignoring.

Side: No
2 points

See here's the thing though, they only fight for women's rights not men's. So if you believe it is a fight against "sexism" than you are sadly mistaken.

Side: Yes
92nida(1411) Disputed
1 point

I don't see how women's oppression is not sexist. It may be fairly sided but most definitely is a voice against sexism. Feminism on the other hand is a subject of gender studies where the construct of the ideal male or masculinities is well dealt with as well. For it you have similar voices...

A voice for the weak is much more in need, I'm sorry if I sound biased, but believe me I am not. The weak include women, children, eunuchs or gay or lesbian relationships. Of you notice "the rights" you're being highly critical about are sociological issues that demand attention.

Side: No

Feminism itself is not sexist in my opinion; they seek equal standing with men; as such, there is no need for them to fight for men's rights as well as they are currently looking to align their own.

That said, there are issues with men's rights that have been touched on in this, but that isn't the issue here; as noted, feminism aspires to equal standing of both sexes, and given that men generally have more rights...

However- many individual feminists are quite sexist; this may be understandable given their experience and the adversity they've suffered, but something being understandable doesn't make it either acceptable or right. Some of them are pretty mild and objective overall and just don't care for men in general, but others like to twist facts and misrepresent data in order to prove a point as it were. The disparity between male earnings and female earnings is a part of this- while there certainly is a disparity, it's nowhere near the extent that some would claim. It's not something where you can just compare the average female salary to the average male salary, as that makes the assumption that many other variables are equal that aren't; the most popular occupations for males tend to pay more than the most popular occupations for females. When the data is controlled for the same occupation, and things such as the amount of extra time the individual puts in and the conditions they're willing to work under are factored in, it's far closer to equal than what is typically presented by the feminist side. Remember; statistics don't speak for themselves, and can be presented in such a way as to support almost any view without necessarily lying.

Side: No
1 point

technically if you only fight for your gender. It is considered sexist.

Side: Yes
1 point

I disagree with that. Sexism is the assertion of the superiority of one sex over the other. Seeking equality is not sexism. The feminist ideal is not one of women being superior to men (although individual feminists, again, would love that!)

By that line of thinking, Dr. King Jr and numerous others who fought for black equality were racist because they weren't also fighting for white rights.

Side: No

I don't see how fighting for the rights of a generally mistreated portion of the population means that you favour it.

Men don't need fighting for because no one oppresses us.

Side: No
Thejackster(517) Disputed
2 points

How about child custody cases favoring the mother, crime sentencing being harsher for men than women who commit the same crime, reports of sexual abuse towards men go often unreported and/or are not taken seriously, funding for fighting breast cancer (that is primarly a female related cancer) is largely promoted and endorsed while funding for fighting pancreatic cancer (a predominatley male related cancer) is not.

Side: Yes

Feminism isn't sexist by definition. There are sexist feminists and double-standards that exist, however.

Side: No

Feminism by definition, adheres to equality of both the sexes. But things have changed, now.. there are people who call themselves "feminists" but in true terms they are sexists, cause they somehow, want women to be above men in all kinds of statuses, using "equality" as just another word weapon, which they totally don't abide by, and not to mention all the man hating. But all the above, as mentioned, doesn't make them a feminist.

Side: No