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Is forcing you to pay for abortions different from forcing you to pay to kill Baby Seals?
Is it hypocritical for those who think it is ok to force people to pay for Abortins, while at the same time they would be outraged if a Republican made a law forcing all tax payers to pay to kill Baby Seals.
If we are paying for this through taxation I would see a vote put in place that would require more than 50% of the citizens to agree to the taxes that will help pay for abortions. Same applies to baby seals. Many people probably wouldn't mind the tax as long as isn't a wallet buster. I'm sure we have some people who don't want to help pay for education, scientific advances, roads, healthcare, or military, but had to do so because it was voted on. Also what would we be killing baby seals for? Paying for an abortion can have many logical arguments in for it's support. Can you provide a reason as to why we would be killing baby seals?
For you to even ask the question why we would kill Baby seals but you have no problem with killing Babies says it all. I'm sure there are groups of people who like eating Baby Seals much like we do with Veal.
I'm showing the hypocrisy of Democrats who are arrogant enough to force people with humanity to pay for ending the life of a Baby but would be outraged if Politicians forced them to pay to kill Baby Seals. Just the thought of forcing someone to pay to end the life of a human being is diabolical.You actually have the nerve to compare ending the life of an innocent human being to roads & education? Is this what America is becoming? I guess that just proves the point, when you separate God from a nation, you separate humanity.
Definition of baby: a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
I had no idea that it was legal to take a newborn and kill it.
Anyways, I don't think this is what our taxes go towards. The taxes you are talking about are most likely medical taxes such as healthcare. I would count abortion as something in healthcare.
I'm showing the hypocrisy of Democrats who are arrogant enough to force people with humanity to pay for ending the life of a Baby but would be outraged if Politicians forced them to pay to kill Baby Seals.
Again, are you going to give me a reason why we would be killing baby seals in the first place? Or will you continue to spew useless information that I cannot contest due to it's lack of information?
Just the thought of forcing someone to pay to end the life of a human being is diabolical.
Yes, supporting healthcare is just "diabolical".
You actually have the nerve to compare ending the life of an innocent human being to roads & education?
I don't think that's what my intentions were, but I don't think you even understand my post to begin with.
Is this what America is becoming? I guess that just proves the point, when you separate God from a nation, you separate humanity.
For you to even ask the question why we would kill Baby seals but you have no problem with killing Babies says it all. I'm sure there are groups of people who like eating Baby Seals much like we do with Veal.
He actually never said he had anything against clubbing seals. He was trying to figure out how it could be paid by taxes.
It's not hypocritical at all. The money is going to not necessarily the act of the abortion but more so towards the woman having a safe visit with the abortion doctor. It's to protect her, not kill the child. The law about killing baby seals( why must they be babies might I add, obvious emotional appeal) is not about any person's health, therefore it wouldn't even begin to breach a just zone.
I don't know what other pro abortionists know, but what I know is that I'd rather a living breathing female to be legally allowed to remove something from her body in a safe manner, than for her to retort to less safe measures that can have her seriously wounded.
Yes. For a start, may species of seal are endangered.
Really, I don't understand. Even if you paid for health insurance, your money could surely still be funding abortions: just under private, not public, guidance. So unless you demand that abortions are not to be covered by health insurance, there's no real difference.
Some governments have done an excellent job of regulating abortions so women can have the growth of a foetus terminated before it can be called sentient. If abortion was illegal, there are many less safe ways a woman could illegally abort her child in times of desperation. As a male, you probably don't understand how frightening the concept of a tiny human growing inside you, unwanted, is. Whether it's rape, an accident or a drunken one-night-stand, I think that to give birth to a child you need to really want it. It's a large commitment, even if someone else will be looking after it.
After this child is born, do you still care about it? (A common argument, I know.) Will you be happy for its mother to be on welfare for a sizeable amount of time as she cares for the child alone, and is then unable to re-enter the job market?
Will you be happy for its mother to be on welfare for a sizeable amount of time as she cares for the child alone, and is then unable to re-enter the job market?
Nah, they want to cut social programs too- they have no problem with baby and mother starving to death, just so long as the life of the fetus remains sacred until it is born.
Like I said, for Liberals the answer to life's problems is to kill the burdensome unborn baby, not address the core reasons why people are on welfare.TYPICAL!
Welfare is a moral issue the majority of the time. Women sleep around with dead beat idiots who would never support the child they conceived. The pregnant mother then runs down to the tax payer to bail them out from their irresponsibility. Many times there is a man working under the table living with the women while she gets welfare. What's the Democrat's answer? Abort the Baby and NEVER address the moral issues of what's creating the problem.
Like I said, for Liberals the answer to life's problems is to kill the burdensome unborn baby, not address the core reasons why people are on welfare.TYPICAL!
Welfare is a moral issue the majority of the time. Women sleep around with dead beat idiots who would never support the child they conceived. The pregnant mother then runs down to the tax payer to bail them out from their irresponsibility. Many times there is a man working under the table living with the women while she gets welfare. What's the Democrat's answer? Abort the Baby and NEVER address the moral issues of what's creating the problem.
You are dead wrong, and really need to do your homework before you make ridiculous claims. Welfare is a financial issue > 95% of the time, and a moral issue < 5% of the time.
The overwhelming majority of those in the welfare program are using it as intended- a stopgap measure to help them get back on their feet. 20% of individuals on welfare are on it for 6 months or less. 80% of individuals on welfare are on it for 5 years or less- only 20% of welfare recipients are on the program for more than 5 years- this 20% isn't limited to the 'welfare queens' you suggest, but also includes those who are permanently unable to work, those who are legitimately seeking work but unable to find it, and those who continue to receive welfare despite holding a job due to their income being grossly insufficient to support them.
Those 'abusing' the welfare system represent less than 5% of individuals receiving welfare.
You are a liar and a bigot, and either an idiot, completely morally bankrupt, or both. If you haven't done your research and are making these claims, you are an idiot. If you have done your research, your lies are intended to mislead others to push an agenda that I can only surmise involves keeping the lower class in de facto economic slavery- and are probably an idiot too. You KNOW people are going to have sex, and you KNOW that some will get pregnant. You want to remove not only the option of abortion from them, but also the option of adoption for those who would choose it anyway, due to a flood of babies in comparison to those who would adopt them; essentially you want to force people to raise unwanted children, and deny them the financial support they need to do so, just to ensure there is another large generation of undereducated lower class people to do your dirty work for you.
Stop trying to debate serious issues, and go back to your church- they need your tithe for the rapist protection program.
What planet do you live on? Don't you know people in your area & how they are living before running down to welfare? I can not debate someone living in their own world of denial. The VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE are there because of many irresponsible choices made in life.
Do you have a clue how many unwed mothers there are on welfare? WHOSE FOUGHT IS THAT? Did the rich man force men & women to have sex & get pregnant & then have the father walk away from all responsibility? It was their irresponsible choices & no one's else.
Try giving me the % of unwed mothers on welfare & then we might talk some more. Until then spew your lies to some low end voter asking for handouts.
What planet do you live on? Don't you know people in your area & how they are living before running down to welfare? I can not debate someone living in their own world of denial. The VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE are there because of many irresponsible choices made in life.
I'm living on the planet Earth, in the United States, where there are firm figures kept on welfare recipients. As noted- 80% of all welfare recipients are on the program less than 5 years. Those who are on it long term or indefinitely are a minority, and those who are actively abusing it are only a portion of that minority. This is in stark contradiction to your assertion that the majority are abusing the system. Irresponsible choices? Sure. We ALL make irresponsible choices. (Audience: Case in point, I'm making the irresponsible choice to continue feeding this troll). The consequences of those choices are not always or even often predictable, and the lower class lacks the safety net that the upper and middle classes have. Irresponsible choices are not exclusive to the lower class- rather, they don't have daddy's bank account to bail them out when they make one.
Even so: You want to claim that the vast majority are their because they were irresponsible? Show me some data that supports that. And show me some data that suggests a ban on abortions will at all address this, while you're at it.
Do you have a clue how many unwed mothers there are on welfare? WHOSE FOUGHT IS THAT? Did the rich man force men & women to have sex & get pregnant & then have the father walk away from all responsibility? It was their irresponsible choices & no one's else.
Do you mean fault? Depends on the situation. In some cases, the woman for making poor choices regarding contraception and partner choice. In some cases, contraceptives fail, and the true nature of the partner could not be known until after the fact- in those cases, the man who took advantage of her. Of course, this could be a mistake that she could learn from with a simple abortion- when she can't the fault there lies with people like you who ostracize and demonize those who would even consider it a valid option, and are hell bent on making it illegal for everyone.
Try giving me the % of unwed mothers on welfare & then we might talk some more. Until then spew your lies to some low end voter asking for handouts.
I don't have that figure, and I strongly suspect that you don't either. I haven't lied yet, but you have, by presenting "facts" that have no basis in reality.
All that said, sure- you can assert that women should be forced to raise unwanted children that they cannot afford, and then proceed to bitch about the fact that welfare programs support them all you'd like- but you're only making your own side look bad- so bad that it seems intentional. Everybody reading can tell you are an idiot and a bigot. The only other explanation, and the one I'm leaning towards, is that you are a sockpuppet intended to be a strawman version of christians/conservatives/pro-lifers in general.
My patience with this exchange has run out. I am giving you a heads up now- If you have any further questions to ask or points to make, be sure you get them into your next reply, as my next post will be my last in this discussion, and I will be leaving the last word to you. Don't waste it- you have yet to make a valid point through this entire exchange, so this is your last chance to establish any kind of coherent position for your side. If you can't get something together in the next post, well... I don't like to win by default, but I'll take it.
All of your excuses mean absolutely NOTHING! We are talking about a living growing human being & NEVER can a people who call themselves compassionate choose to kill that innocent human life.
Your mentality is why Dictators kill their people. When some segment of population becomes a burden, they ethnic cleanse them.
ADDRESS THE CORE PROBLEMS of why women get pregnant with no loving father to support the family. IT'S CALLED IRRESPONSIBILITY. Address the core problem, don't kill the result.
ADDRESS THE CORE PROBLEMS of why women get pregnant with no loving father to support the family. IT'S CALLED IRRESPONSIBILITY. Address the core problem, don't kill the result.
Follow your own advice. Don't address abortions, address getting pregnant.
I want to address the core problem of unwed mothers & ending the life of the Baby is not the answer. I'm capable of dealing with two things at once.
Unwed mothers has everything to do with a nation separating God from it's moral conscience. 60 years ago hardly anyone questioned the moral value of teaching others not to be having sex with someone you did not love. With love comes a commitment to any child that my be conceived. Today's sexual revolution has done away with any notion of waiting for love before sex. As with most of today's culture. They want it now!
Wait, now you hate unwed mothers too. Geez, you are all over the place. What is wrong with unwed mothers? It is worse to be from 2 parents who hate each other.
I'm not all over the place. We were talking about morals or at least i thought we were :)
I hate no one & was using unwed mothers to show that the majority of people on welfare have chosen to live irresponsibly in some form. Choosing to have sex with some idiot who would never support a child he conceived is a bad irresponsible choice.
You can sit there & follow the PC doctrine that states no one is responsible for their actions in life. You would be wrong. Most of us are responsible in some way for our status in life. It's the little decisions we all make each & every day.
We can choose to have one or two drinks & stop, or we can choose to drink like fools & then blame the alcohol for that one night stand or drunk driving, etc.
We can choose to live within our income level or we can max out that credit card until we can no longer make the minimum payments, lose our credit & end up on public assistance.
I could go on & on about personal choices we make in life. Choices the Left will call mistakes (followed with the words "we all make mistakes"). Those CHOICES are what create the mess we are in & the swollen welfare roles.
I'm judging no one but a failed ideology. People are to blame most times for being on welfare & Liberals refuse to admit it. This is the new no fault America.
I'm not all over the place. We were talking about morals or at least i thought we were :)
No, we were talking about addressing the core problem of unwanted pregnancy instead of abortion. You going from unwanted pregnancies to abortion to teen pregnancy to unwed pregnancy is all over the place.
I hate no one & was using unwed mothers to show that the majority of people on welfare have chosen to live irresponsibly in some form. Choosing to have sex with some idiot who would never support a child he conceived is a bad irresponsible choice.
Thousandin1 has demonstrated that you are 100% wrong about welfare.
You can sit there & follow the PC doctrine that states no one is responsible for their actions in life. You would be wrong. Most of us are responsible in some way for our status in life. It's the little decisions we all make each & every day.
You can keep claiming that you are addressing the core issue, but you would be wrong.
We can choose to have one or two drinks & stop, or we can choose to drink like fools & then blame the alcohol for that one night stand or drunk driving, etc.
Sounds like your debating strategy. You could address 1 or 2 issues, but you get drunk on issues and don't stop talking.
I could go on & on about personal choices we make in life. Choices the Left will call mistakes (followed with the words "we all make mistakes"). Those CHOICES are what create the mess we are in & the swollen welfare roles.
The Left likes to pretend that they aren't mistakes.
I'm judging no one but a failed ideology. People are to blame most times for being on welfare & Liberals refuse to admit it. This is the new no fault America.
Thank you for not answering my question because I used a word that "misrepresented" your view.
That is what everyone is trying to do: governments, civil society, even businesses. However this takes a long time to achieve. We have to understand that the foetus, although human, is not sentient. It's not a person, it's a rapidly growing cluster of stem-cells incapable of feeling or understanding pain. It has the potential to be a person, but that doesn't matter. Every ovum within my body has the potential to be a person, but hopefully none of them will fulfil that potential!
The arrogance of Liberal Democrats is astounding. Conservatives would never in a million years make laws forcing you to support controversial issues dealing with life & death.
