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Is globalism, a good, idea?

Yes.

Side Score: 9
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No.

Side Score: 6
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Is globalism, a good, idea?

Hello y:

I dunno if it's a good idea or not. It's just what we're gonna do.

As a species, we started off wandering around. Then we joined into little groups.. I dunno if anybody thought it was a good idea or not, but as civilization progressed, that's what we did. We organized into tribes, then villages, then states, then countries, and finally superpowers. Nobody gave that any thought...

The next step is obvious. And, it too doesn't matter what anybody thinks.. It's just what we're gonna do. My friend Al said, borders cause most of the worlds strife. He's right, of course. So, should we kill half of humanity to defend them, or get rid of them altogether??

Certainly, no one country is gonna give up their borders first.. But, imagine, if the whole world did it at once....

excon

Side: Yes.

Globalization also known as free trade is a great idea, and here's why. The only alternative is protectionism. Protectionism is awful.

Interestingly, some proponents of Laissez-faire promote protectionism. The complete hypocrisy is ridiculous.

Protectionism allows the already powerful to gain Monopoly, monopsony, Oligopoly, and Oligopsony. Everyone show already know why monopolies are bad.

Monopsony, one buyer applying leverage to force suppliers to sell low is brought up less often. A perfect example is Walmart. Watch Walmart the high cost of low prices for an entertaining idea of how monopsony hurts the economy.

Companies that are monopolies area usually monopsony too. A town that has one store is a great example. Everyone has to buy from the company store, monopoly and the only work available is the same store, monopsony.

"“I owe my soul to the company store.”" Merle Travis

Effectively, allowing one entity to charge extortion prices by price gouging, monopoly. While using being one buyer of labor and using their leverage to lower prices, monopsony.

Oligopoly is just the same as monopoly except not quite as bad because there is say three entities often using the euphemism "playing nice." Same with Oligopsony. One problem is that this is more difficult to detect thus could go on for longer before being detected.

In the end protectionism leads to a non-competitive market. Leading to high prices and low wages.

II. What about the unemployed manufacturers and other industries?

One of the main attractions to protectionism is saving jobs. The fear of outsourcing and losing your job or a family member's job. Fear is the strongest and most negative emotion.

The answer is a vigorous welfare or support system. Wait, what? Let's face it as technology and the world changes people are going to lose their jobs due to no fault of their own. This is a very strong case for government unemployment compensation.

Whether it be a natural disaster, pandemic, outsourcing, automation, or other forms of displacement a strong support system is needed. To help displaced workers get back on their feet. With global warming bearing down on us and pandemics the idea of individuals are poor solely because they are lazy is absurdly naive.

We wouldn't want to save workers jobs that are obsolete and contribute nothing to the economy? Blacksmithing, punch cards library catalogs, manufacturing trebuchets, and many other job are obsolete. In lieu of saving these jobs we should invest in human capital.

Besides there are more insidious ways for a job to be stolen. For example prison labor. Paying people a dime an hour is exploitative and harms the economy. Unpaid internships leads to theft of jobs.

The whole entire notion that immigrant or outsourcing to foreign countries are coming to steal your jobs is xenophobic and outright racist fearmongering propaganda promoted by the powerful and greedy .

This post is long, but the answer is counter-intuitive and complex. Sometimes a short post won't do the topic justice.

Summary

Free trade is a much better choice than protectionism. Protectionism is a xenophobic, racist, myth, proliferated by fear mongering powerful and greedy bad political actors and robber barons. The villains Bernie Sanders and Trump are two excellent examples on both side of the political spectrum. We should invest in human capital and a robust welfare system to counter job displacement.

Supporting Evidence: Protectionism Harvard business review. (hbr.org)
Side: Yes.

You'll have to define exactly what you mean by globalism Dana. The only globalism I know about is the crazy, unhinged crap Alex Jones rants about. Tell me, in your own words, what you think globalism is.

You can't stop the world making advances in communications and travel technology, and so you can't stop the world from feeling smaller and more connected.

Side: Yes.
YIsRisenLord(1202) Clarified
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Globalism, is a one world, government. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Side: Yes.
BurritoLunch(6566) Clarified
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Globalism, is a one world, government.

OK, fair enough. That too is inevitable. Perhaps not until the distant future, but if/when we become a spacefaring species and begin to colonise other worlds it will be completely impractical and stupid for Earth to be bogged down in political squabbling and internal power games involving dozens of different leaders. You can't stop something which is inevitably part of our own evolution and you can't necessarily determine it is bad before it has even happened. A one world government can only be as good or as bad as its own members, so in that respect it will be just like every other government which has ever existed.

I think your question suggests a paranoia about something you don't truly understand and are being persuaded to believe certain things about.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Globalism has now moved to daily reality - with the help of advanced communication tools.

Side: No.
1 point

Nope. The New World Order is a problem. Revelations is coming true. One World Government with a one world religion that isn't Christian? Well that's unleashing the anti-Christ. God will not allow this to occur.

Side: No.
1 point

Here is a video explaining why globalism is bad. Watch it. Or don't. The truth is the truth. Globalism is not a good idea. It may look great on paper, just like communism or socialism etc etc. But when used, when put into actual use? Did Communism ever work? Never. Neither will globalism. I have spoken facts and only facts. Hypocrites who say otherwise and use ad hominem towards me are automatically invalidated, denounced and debunked.

Why Globalism is bad?
Side: No.
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Did you watch your own video? About halfway through it shows the exact problems with protectionism, the only counter to globalization.

Time stamp 2:10

"Politicians lock down borders, decrease work visas, and punish companies for not using local labors. This only makes things worse. History has shown that protectionism leads to slower overall growth. Decreases of competitiveness of nations engaged in such policies."

Can lead to a trade war decreasing GDP by 14%. The video ends by saying we need to increase globalization. In other words you argument is invalidated by your own source.

Side: Yes.