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NO! PURSUIT of happiness is Yup, sure is!
Debate Score:20
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Total Votes:22
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Is happiness a right?

NO! PURSUIT of happiness is

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Yup, sure is!

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4 points

No. The pursuit of happiness is a right, but happiness itself is not. So therefore, everyone has the chance to, oh, let's say, send their kid to college with their own money, but it is not entitled to them. They have to work for it. Try. Attempt. so does the student. They have an oppourtunity, but not a guaranteed ride. Obama will try to entitle American's to this right by spreading some wealth. It isn't what America is founded on. We are a country of pursuit. Not one of laziness. Yet. So, we need to stop trying to make happiness a right, and start working on the real mission. The Pursuit of Happiness. I'm sure Will Smith and his son would agree. Haha.

Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
1 point

Subjectively, what you are saying is that socialism will not bring happiness to be a right. Life fulfillment, I think is what you mean, not happiness. They are different. Ask most people, the work that they feel fulfills them, does not make them happy. Some things have to be done, and they are the best person to do them at that time. That is called duty. People will be happy knowing that they are fulfilling their duties, but will find unhappiness in performing the duty.

Prostitution is a good example of this. Someone who is hooked on drugs and is uneducated, has a body to sell, and does so because she cannot find a job where her natural skills are required (Not sex or having a body, but mental abilities and so on), and she has a kid to raise. She sells herself, raises the kid, and in raising the child receives happiness, but the duty by which allows her to raise the child does in no way bring her life fulfillment. This is, overall, a bad example seeing as no one would want that kid to be raised by a drugged up prostitute, but nevertheless, it does, will, or has happened. Read Les Miserables, excellent example of this.

Also, back to the topic of happiness, the prostitute might find happiness in drug use, social interaction with others, the sex may be enjoyable sometimes... those things are naturally unpreventable, and she has the right to feel that happiness as it is not something that she has direct control over. Sure, she has the ability to control wether or not she does the drugs, or finds interest in sex, or interacts with people that she interacts with, but these things are no different than your ability to find happiness in a joke, at the point of being happy.

Also, I don't know if you've ever been a college student, there is nothing pleasurable about it, and I don't feel as though I am pursuing anything but knowledge that will at some point come in handy while I'm fulfilling my duty. This is not a pursuit of happiness.

Side: Yup, sure is!
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

Well, first of all, the prostitution argument has a great point. I never counted on saying that in my lifetime. Haha. I have read Les Miserables, and I do see where you are coming from on this argument. However, I would have to say that we have a right to the fulfillment and not the happiness that comes with it. You know why? Happiness is relative. Let's say I enjoy writing (I do) it makes me...happy. You despise writing, (idk) it does not make you happy. You have the right to be fulfilled by writing, but not happy. See?

Now, the college comment was irrelevant. The student had the right to pursue college, not to find happiness from that. Aha. I have been a college student. I haven't graduated high school, but am affiliated with a program where every summer I spend a certain amount of time at college. It is complicated. My pursuit of happiness is of direct relation to fulfilling my duty. It always should be.

Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is
2 points

In 1776 the Continental Congress issued the Declaration of Independence, drafted of course by Mr. Thomas Jefferson. Among the most memorable phrases of this history changing document are: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..." Of the three unalienable rights mentioned the first two are dare I say it, obvious in both intent and meaning. The third right, however, as evidence by this debate is considerably less clear at least to modern society. Read literally it clearly indicates that mankind is not entitled to happiness, rather we are entitled to the opportunity to achieve happiness. Many scholars have chosen to interpret this third right as a right to property, which fits well with the rest of the Declaration and later the Constitution's themes. Still, the begs the question what is happiness? Is it pleasure? Is it complete contentment of wants and needs?

Happiness is such an abstract and elusive concept that can any one of us truly claim to have ever achieved utter bliss for more than a passing moment? The realities of life inevitably pull us from the greatest high. Religion claims that only through spirituality and doctrine can anyone hope to achieve true happiness. Modern consumerism would have us believe that material wealth is the road to lasting happiness. Are either of these paths right or wrong? Not necessarily, and perhaps the answer lies somewhere between the two.

So then, is happiness a right? I do not believe it is; simply because there is no guarantees that we can achieve happiness in our lifetimes. Perhaps, in a Utopian society it might be possible to guarantee happiness but we do not now, nor is it likely we will, live in a Utopian society. The most we can ask for is the opportunity to attempt to achieve happiness; whether it be through material wealth, or though spirituality. In think that we can agree that if by liberty, Mr. Jefferson meant that mankind is free to choose how we are governed and to govern ourselves; by "pursuit of happiness" it is mean that we are free to choose our actions. That society should not impose it's will on the individual. We each should have reasonable latitude to find true happiness without the interference of any other individual. Perhaps then what the Continental Congress was trying to tell us is that the ends are not nearly as important as the journey that brings us there; that happiness cannot be given or found; it must be achieved.

Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is
1 point

I think we have a right to want to be happy. Whether or not we get it is our choice.

Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is
2 points

Yes, it is a natural right. Law can only go so far as to say what is and what is not a human right, but law is man made. The "pursuit" of happiness is only an expression, and doesn't really directly mean, the attempt at reaching the state of happiness. It more means the freedom or ability of a citizen to better one's life as s/he see's fit, so long as it doesn't require unjust and suffering within the community.

The same goes for pain though. We all have the right to experience pain so long as it doesn't interrupt anyone else's rights.

Side: Yup, sure is!
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

We all have entitled rights UNTIL we invade someone else's rights.

It is not a natural right! Do you all think you should be BORN into happiness? Then what is our purpose? If we are always happy..what is the point? Your argument lacks reasoning from my perspective.

Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
1 point

You are ignorant to assume that if something is not bestowed on you by other men, you are not allowed it by nature. Social pacts do not dictate what is and what is not natural, they dictate social interaction.

We all naturally have the right to live, because we all naturally seek self preservation, it is not by man made law that we keep ourselves alive, it is by nature that we all (healthy people especially) carry this trait. Nature has control over this, not social pacts.

What brings you to be happy is a natural process of having chemicals like endorphins, serotonin, and opioids, released in the brain. It is in no way (completely) controllable by man, and therefor not a responsibility of man to control. Happiness is a natural right, and we may experience it whenever we please because we cannot stop it.

This is a stupid conversation.

Side: Yup, sure is!

I'm coming down on both sides of this because I believe in the right to happiness and the absolute pursuit of it. I'm not going to our founding fathers with my argument either. You not only have the right to be happy but you have the right to pursue whatever pleasures makes you happy. No one can bestow happiness upon you since it's an intangible thing. Happiness and its feeling are inside of you and happiness is also different things to different people. There aren't just a handful of prescribed things that make one happy...there are thousands of them. We are free to reach for a golden ring whenever we choose and n one has a ight to interfere with that...unless, of course, it infringes on their legal right to something!

Side: Yup, sure is!
1 point

I support your view, but have to say no. Haha.

"No one can bestow happiness upon you since it's an intangible thing."

Exactly! That's why the founding fathers wrote, PURSUIT of happiness. What my point is though is that it is not the government's responsibility to ensure we have all of the necessary elements that create happiness.

Supporting Evidence: I don't think we are entitled to happiness! (www.chabad.org)
Side: NO! PURSUIT of happiness is

I also support your view when it comes to what the Constitution says....absolutely. Remember I was writing outside of the founding fathers statement and simply about happiness in general. I agree that it is not the government's responsibility to ensure those elements which may create happiness. It says we are FREE to try...within reason and within the laws of the land.

Side: We Have the FREEDOM but its up to us