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Debate Score:82
Arguments:68
Total Votes:83
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Is homosexuality spiritual suicide?

If you think about it, you can never have your own child together, and so you are pretty much wiping your DNA out of existence...


Do you think homosexuality goes against spirituality?  

Yes

Side Score: 35
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No

Side Score: 47

I agree. Chocolate is the superior ice cream flavor... Oh sorry wrong debate.

Side: Yes

No, you could be straight and still never have kids. Homosexuality isn't a choice.

Side: No
TheBayTore(53) Disputed
2 points

Explain why the first point is relevant and why the latter point is valid.

Side: Yes
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

Explain why the first point is relevant

Because, according to what Christians believe in, if a homosexual person had kids, and did not have gay sex, then they would not have committed any gay related sins.

Just like how someone who enjoys lying would not be doomed from the start, provided that they don't act on said urges. This is why they aren't in a state of "spiritual suicide" simply because they prefer lying to telling the truth, just like the gays.

and why the latter point is valid.

A "sexuality" is, by definition, not a choice.

Side: Yes
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
2 points

Everything is a choice, I like girls, it's what I chose. And that is true about being sterile but it's the thought that counts right

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Disputed
3 points

I assume you don't like all girls. Some get your attention the moment you see them, some walk right by you and you never notice. Some can get inside your heart and never go away. Others seem great, but once you get to know them you lose interest.

You didn't choose which girls inspire these feelings in you and which don't. You didn't choose to stay up all night thinking about one girl. You responded to stimulus. Something about their personality, the way they look, the things they like...something jumped out at you. You didn't choose to react that way, you just got caught up in it. That's how we find mates.

For some people, the things that want or need to feel romantically excited can only be provided by members of their own sex. It is how it is for them. Asking them to fight it is like asking you to ignore your feelings for the woman you love most because of one arbitrary aspect of her, one that does no harm, one that is NOBODY's business except yours and hers.

If THAT is somehow a spiritual way to live, I don't want a part of it.

Everything is a choice

That is highly naive.

Side: No
steve789(207) Disputed
1 point

Confusion isn't so much of a choice, or maybe they are just different. Explain how someone inherents a gay gene though (from what parents)...

Side: Yes
1 point

I think you guys get it through there mom and girls get it through there dad. I don't know much of how it works, but what I do know is its not a choice. By confusion do you mean bi-curious?

Side: No

If you think about it, you can never have your own child together, and so you are pretty much wiping your DNA out of existence...

First and foremost- what does passing along DNA have to do with spirituality? A child created from ones own dna is a material successor, in that the genes are passed along. Spiritual succession, though, would seem to involve passing along ones experience, beliefs, and ideals; this can be done just as well with an adopted child, or even an unrelated protege.

That aside, it also doesn't have to involve wiping out ones own DNA. There is always the possibility of sperm donors and surrogates. My wife is good friends with a lesbian couple that is raising two children, one carried by each of them, same sperm donor. They're both passing their genes along and raising them together, just neither child has BOTH of their genes. I'm certain there are homosexual male couples with an equivalent arrangement.

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

Yes and the physical realm is a part of the universe, you can't say the physical realm is not spiritual everything is.

And having a child who is not genetically equivalent to both parents would leave a confused child. That's just my opinion though

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes and the physical realm is a part of the universe, you can't say the physical realm is not spiritual everything is.

This is the same kind of point people make when talking about natural vs. man-made, saying that man is a part of nature. This is the same kind of point people make when talking about animal vs. human, saying that humans are animals. It's a technicality that misses the real intent behind the word.

Common usage of the term natural is as opposed to created by man. When we talk about natural vs. artificial, we're generally referring to things that arose without human influence vs things that arose as a direct result of human efforts. Even if humans are considered part of nature, that distinction is still an important part of the meaning of the word 'natural' in common usage.

Common usage of the term animal is as opposed to human. When we talk about animals, we're generally referring to non-human members of the animal kingdom vs. members of homo sapiens. Even if humans are considered animals, that distinction is still an important part of the meaning of the word 'animal' in common usage.

Common usage of the term 'spiritual' is as opposed to the material. When we talk about the spiritual, we're generally referring to the abstract, metaphysical things vs. the material world. Even if the physical is considered to be itself spiritual, that distinction is still an important part of the meaning of the word 'spritual' in common usage.

And having a child who is not genetically equivalent to both parents would leave a confused child. That's just my opinion though.

I know several who were adopted as children who would disagree, and several people who were raised by both biological parents that despise said parents and held out a secret hope that they were adopted. I don't think dna has much of a factor on the matter, except insofar as the initial hormonal bonding that the mother feels towards the child due to pregnancy. DNA has almost nothing to do with a fathers ability to bond with his children, as can be seen when men are torn later in life when they find they are not the biological father of the child they love dearly.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

One can absolutely state that the physical realm is not spiritual, particularly since there is zero evidence that spirituality is anything but a delusion.

Further, your opinion is purely prejudicial and utterly unfounded by any legitimate research.

Side: No
2 points

Hard to kill something that never existed to begin with. Hard to go against it too.

Side: No
TheBayTore(53) Disputed
2 points

The premise of this debate is that, if spirits did exist, would it be the case.

Side: Yes
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

False. The premise of this debate is that homosexuality constitutes spiritual suicide. Observation of the lack of a spirit is one effective negation of that assertion.

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

No not spirits, spirtuality, Believing in yourself, loving everyone, connecting to the universe.

Side: No
2 points

Wow, being a homosexual eliminates your reproductive capabilities? I did not know that....

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

No but you and your partner will never have a child that shares your genes.

Side: Yes
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
1 point

I think you missed the part about artificial insemination. The way it's done primarily, is by taking the egg or sperm from one member of the relationship, and implanting it into a family member of the other. That's as close to both genes as they can get, which would still technically be passing on both of their dna.

Side: No
1 point

you think about it, you can never have your own child together, and so you are pretty much wiping your DNA out of existence...

Do you think homosexuality goes against spirituality?

In what way is spirituality about passing on DNA? Or is that point not relevant?

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

It's not, it's about connecting to the universe and you can't be connected to the universe if you don't have a physical means, and passing on your DNA is not so much yourself being connected to the universe as it is sharing life with someone

Side: Yes
1 point

Simply having a physical body connects us to the universe, the universe being inclusive of all matter.

Side: No

Suicide is a choice and homosexuality is not so it can't be spiritual suicide.

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

I think homosexuality is a choice, I believe we are born with no sexual preference and we will choose who we want to be. I chose to like girls, I experimented with bisexuality before. I choose girls because gay men are basically girls without a vagina and i'm pretty sure vaginas and penises evolved for each other...

It could make a great love story one day

Side: Yes
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
3 points

I believe we are born with no sexual preference and we will choose who we want to be.

Evolutionary psychology, statistics, and observable behaviors disagree.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

You do not think anything on that matter. That implies an actual process of thought and rationale, which you utterly lack. You are speaking from ignorant, unfounded beliefs that are contradicted by a not inconsiderable body of interdisciplinary research.

You did not chose to like girls. You did not chose to "experiment" with bisexuality either. Everything you have ever done and will do is determined not by your free will, but by a confluence of genetics and environmental conditioning.

Side: No
1 point

I think your problem is your bi sexual and you assume everyone else is. You just chose girls because its more culturally acceptable.

Side: No

No. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Homosexuality is not a choice.

Side: No
lilnigglet(17) Disputed
1 point

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it I asked a specific question, how can you be connected to the universe when everything you do goes against what spirituality entails?

Side: Yes
1 point

Gays can be spiritual too. Feel free to prove your claims. .

Side: No
1 point

According to Christianity, yes. But I have learned that there isn't too much wrong with being gay. People can just develope extremely odd differences. Gays are like freaks of nature, but what they do behind close doors is their business.

Side: No
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

According to some Christianity. Plenty of Christians have absolutely no issue with homosexuality, viewing it as neither sinful nor unnatural. There is nothing objectively "wrong" with being gay, nor is there anything particularly "freakish" about homosexuality (it is as naturally occurring as being red headed or left handed). What homosexuals do in privacy or in public is legitimately none of your concern so long as it is not negatively harming you. Mind, ones personal discomfort due to their own ignorance does not constitute being harmed. Other people are not at fault for the ignorance of those around them.

Side: Yes
steve789(207) Disputed
1 point

Those who are honest christians see it as a sin. LEVITICUS 18:22

Side: Yes