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Is homosexuality wrong?
Homosexuality is a growing position in todays societies, are you for it or against it? I for one am against it as it is sickening and gross and against the Bible and against the laws of nature. And most homosexuals and bi-sexuals (a sub category of homosexuality) spread and have HIV and many STDs.
Personally, I prefer women, but I have no qualms against people who prefer the same gender.
Considering many life forms require the sex cells from the opposite gender in order to procreate, one might have a logical argument against homosexuality in a fundamental sense. A moral argument I think would be harder to form, we are slaves to our consciousness which is developed in various ways in which we have little control over. And if a person likes someone of the same gender, they should not be ridiculed for having those natural inclinations; you gotta feel happy in your own skin.
Who is to say that the basis of homosexuality or even love in general is procreation? This measly fact should not have any effect on how we view gay people.
I agree that it doesn’t matter how we look at it, it shouldn’t have an effect on how we view a person, gay or straight. Just to clarify however, I wasn’t advocating discrimination based on how we view the above debate question.
My response was simply to point out that there are different ways to describe what is ‘right or wrong.’ The two that I brought up were regarding ethics and fundamental physiology.
I wouldn’t condone any suspension of a person’s preference to what gender they desire, personal liberty is very important to me, but I must insist that homosexuality can be viewed as fundamentally ‘wrong’ in a way considering human beings are not asexual organisms.
Are you saying it is like going to McDonald's? You know it's unhealthy to get that big mac, but you won't hate on anyone who chooses to get it themselves.
(i am not agreeing or diagreeing with you, just trying to clarify your point)
We see animals doing stuff like eating their own cudd, killing their mate, and cannabalism (in terms of eating their own species). What we see go on in other species does not mean that it would be natural in ours.
Which "countless species" are you speaking of? Explain why men and women are built with differing hormones if men were mean't to be with men or vice versa. You are supporting an act that you don't even merely understand the ultimate punishment you will receive if you die and do not repent. Homosexuality is an abomination.
Anyways, the best thing I've read is this completely idiotic ignoramus called notmymuse spouting Christian bullshit and going in circles.
On a seperate note, since a muse could refer to a plantain or banana (overtly phallic symbols), if it's a "he", notmymuse is presumably denying the existence of a phallus...
This would probably be the next best thing you've read all day ^^
Why should I admit that I am wrong when I am not? You are passing judgement before I have even given arguments. Why don't take a step back and actually open your eyes before falsely accusing others?
LOL, I am amused that you actually took the time to really get a list of animals who engage in this. Now could you please show me solid proof and not just names of animals?
You just will not stop proving my point about your intelligence, will you?
You asked for the name of a species in which homosexuality has been observed.
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I then gave you roughly EIGHT HUNDRED!
That is the most solid sample of evidence I have ever seen given on CreateDebate.
EIGHT HUNDRED evidence points to back my statement. You are simply an idiot. I can't help the fact that some of us got stuck somewhere along the hominid cranial evolution line.
I asked and you actually fell for it. Now please, provide me solid evidence as to how you know these animals are homosexual in their acts. For each one, if you don't mind because I don't believe you.
provide me solid evidence as to how you know these animals are homosexual in their acts.
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I don't believe you.
And some people believe the world is flat...and there is more evidence supporting that than the bible.
No, I asked for proof of each animal and you need to spell it out to prove it's true. A teenage girl in my church has just been confronted by discussions on homosexuality in her high school classroom. When she told the class that homosexuality was not "normal" behavior because it did not exist among animals, the teacher said that studies have "proven" that homosexuality is prevalent among animals, esp. elephants. While browsing on the web, I have found this to be a widely used "proof." What would you answer? How can I help this girl?
First of all, I would encourage her to ask with humility and softness (i.e., no edge in her voice) where she can find the studies that "prove" the prevalence of homosexuality in animals. People toss off assertions all the time (such as, "science has proven homosexuality is genetic") but when we ask where the articles are, they don't have an answer. They're just parroting what they've heard.
Same-sex behavior DOES exist in the animal kingdom, for a number of reasons. Usually, it's either playful antics, or dominance behavior to assert hierarchy. For one male to mount, or attempt to mount, another male is a very powerful way to communicate his higher position in the "pecking order" of the community. But if you bring in a female in heat, suddenly the male-male behavior is abandoned in favor of the female.
Secondly, I have read of same-sex attachments in animals, but the fact that they exist doesn't make it normal any more than the fact that cystic fibrosis or diabetes exists makes those diseases normal. From a Christian perspective, we live in a fallen world, and that fallenness extends to the entire creation on the planet. It would make sense that things would go wrong even among the animals. For instance, I understand that a hormonal imbalance can result in homosexual behavior in some animals. (Here are links to a couple of articles concerning that. Note the naturalistic bias underlying them: "What is, is normal and natural and therefore to be embraced." http://www.noglstp.org/bulletin/1997spring.html and http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/sheepandanimals.html )
Even from a godless evolutionary perspective, there is no benefit to homosexual behavior since those who engage in it do not reproduce, and from an evolutionary perspective, the only purpose in life is to make babies (the bottom line for the more scientific-sounding "survive and reproduce").
I recently discovered an excellent article on the "animal homosexuality myth" at the NARTH (National Association for the Research and Treatment of Homosexuality) website. This article points out that we can find occurrences of "homosexuality," cannibalism and infanticide in the animal kingdom, but the fact that these abberant behaviors exist should not lead us to deduce that they are acceptable and normal HUMAN behaviors to engage in! www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html
when we ask where the articles are, they don't have an answer.
You have got to be kidding me with this. I gave you FIFTY sources.
the fact that they exist doesn't make it normal any more than the fact that cystic fibrosis or diabetes exists makes those diseases normal.
This is truly painful to read. If something is widespread in a population at a constant rate, it is endemic. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are endemic in humans. and the 800 animals I listed.
Your analogy is fallacious as diseases are, by definition, abnormal; but even they are endemic to all populations.
From a Christian perspective
Oh this should be good...
we live in a fallen world, and that fallenness extends to the entire creation on the planet. It would make sense that things would go wrong even among the animals. For instance, I understand that a hormonal imbalance can result in homosexual behavior in some animals.
Ah. Unfounded speculation based on faith-based fallible beliefs...why am I not surprised?
Even from a godless evolutionary perspective
Belief in evolution does not necessitate atheism. To assert so is absurd.
there is no benefit to homosexual behavior since those who engage in it do not reproduce
The term you are looking for is evolutionary advantage of homosexuality. But this argument refutes itself. By the very fact that widespread homosexuality exists necessitates an evolutionary advantage (likely many).
NARTH (National Association for the Research and Treatment of Homosexuality)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! Wow. People think you can "cure" homosexuality?! What a bunch of lunatics. Carry on...
This article points out that we can find occurrences of "homosexuality," cannibalism and infanticide in the animal kingdom, but the fact that these abberant behaviors exist should not lead us to deduce that they are acceptable and normal HUMAN behaviors to engage in!
This is the kind of logic I would expect from people who think voodoo will cure a natural occurrence. Heterosexuality is found in the animal kingdom, as well. By NARTH's logic, it is not "acceptable" nor "normal."
I gave you a reply that you cannot handle because you know it is true. You need to read this as well. We are also posting under wrong topic.
This atheist actually believed he knew for a fact that there was no God. I found that position to be interesting and, quite honestly, not possible.
Also, he and I discussed faith a bit towards the end.
Atheist: As to religious arguments I haven't found one that can stand up to the logic of atheism.
Matt: Are you a strong atheist or a weak one?
Atheist: Never heard of a weak atheist.
Matt: I’ll explain. A strong atheist states that there is no God. He knows there is no God. A weak atheist, basically, 'lacks belief' in a god of any sort.
Atheist: Then I am a strong atheist.
Matt: Then you know there is no God?
Atheist: As much as knowledge can tell us yes..Maybe it's you who have to catch up on your atheism... Agnostic fits the description pretty well of a weak atheist...
Matt: That is what I said...which are you?
Atheist: I am a strong. Characteristic human thought, coupled with hope is what religion boils down to, the unexplained tried to be explained...
Matt: So, you know there is no god?
Atheist: Yes.
Matt: How can you know that?
Atheist: It's a reasonable assumption. If you want a definitive answer. Does any Christian bother to look in the dictionary to what truth actually means? There is no 100% anything. Only close to it.
Matt: Then you cannot KNOW there is no God. Your strong atheism is illogical.
Atheist: Let's look at Christianity. It runs on faith. Faith is not logical. It gives credence to unicorns, goblins and thing s that go bump in the night.
Matt: Nope. The subject is your atheism. Please don't try to change the subject.
Atheist: The subject can jump where ever.
Matt: Your atheism is illogical. You cannot know there is no God. To do that, you'd have to know All things to know there is no God.
Atheist: I will defend, but also place in attack. Try to defend faith
Matt: One subject at a time....You'd have to have seen all evidences to know there is no God. You cannot claim this, therefore, your atheism is illogical.
Atheist: You can never see all evidences but that does not mean there is a god.
Matt: Correct.
Atheist: No, that means there is not enough information for a conclusion. So we make assumptions as best we can according to our knowledge...
Matt: But you must concede that your claim to strong atheism (that you know there is no God) is not logical.
Atheist: My knowledge of the human brain leads me to believe there is no god...
Matt: Then that means there MIGHT be a God, because you don't know all the evidence. Therefore, you must logically be an agnostic.
Atheist: And so must you... But you picked a side.
Matt: Then it [your atheism] is not logical, but only assumptions you base your atheism on. Your atheism is untenable.... You must admit that agnosticism is more logically viable. If you admit that, we can discuss my faith.
Atheist: I'm not ignorant to say I don't use faith. But only the usage of faith in a situation that remains provable.
Matt: So, are you agnostic or atheist? which is it?
Atheist: Atheist.
Matt: You've lost the argument. Sorry...
Atheist: Wrong. What you're doing is a ploy. You bring me over.. but you stay the same. Either you must move over as well or the argument is mute in the first place. One can not keep faith and call his beliefs logical. For a bit I will stray over to the agnostic side. But I am willing to state instances where I believe prove my contention that there is no god.
Matt: You have been cornered.... It is not logical for you to claim strong atheism. You have not seen all the facts. Therefore, the possibility of God's existence is real. Therefore, you must admit that agnosticism is more logical in this situation. Alright, Let's talk faith.
Atheist: Alright faith. you first.
Matt: I believe God exists. I have faith that he exists.
Atheist: Proof.
Matt: I have none.
Atheist: No proof with faith. So, do you always believe in things that you can not prove?
Matt: No... not at all... I have evidences, but they cannot lead to 100% proof or else all could be forced to believe. But, if there is enough evidence, I do believe.
Atheist: So you must be agnostic in that sense as well.
Matt: No... because I make choices. Though it is possible for my faith to be proven wrong, I still rest on the evidences and draw logical conclusions.
Atheist: Evidence....
Matt: Yes....
Atheist: Then you disregard one of the most fundamental rules of the game...
Matt: Which is?
Atheist: "Where ever knowledge is incomplete, there is a place for "faith;" but where ever knowledge and "faith" conflict, it is "faith" which must be modified or abandoned."
Matt: Or the understanding must be reevaluated.... 'Facts' have been found to be wrong before.
Atheist: Facts are not Truths. They are reasonable assumptions. I will get a dictionary definition for that one...
Matt: That's fine. So what about it? What kind of evidence would be sufficient for you to conclude there is a god?
Atheist: Fact - Reality or actuality as distinguished to from conjecture or fantasy; Something known by observation or experience to be true or real.
Matt: That's good.... Now... what would constitute evidence for God's existence?
Atheist: An instance of superiority... Something humans could not do.. OR not be able to explained through phenomena but event then...
Matt: That's good... now... what would constitute evidence for God's existence?
Atheist: A universal movement. A stoppage of the planet. Nothing earthly.
Matt: If that were to happen, would you conclude there was a god? Couldn't it be explained in other ways?
Atheist: I would of course doubt it at first. I would look for an explanation... And for something like that I would probably find no reasonable explanation..
Matt: If you had could not find one, what would you conclude? Would you conclude that there is a god? or that you simply don't have all the facts?
Atheist: You never have all of the facts... Reasonable assumptions, remember?
Matt: Then you could not safely conclude it was the hand of God, could you?
Atheist: Nope. that would be the only explanation that I could think of that would have the three means, opportunity. (forget motive) [I did not understand him here...]
Matt: Then you couldn't know anything for sure, right? That is, if you don't have all the facts, all of them.
Atheist: Haven't we already agreed you can never have all the facts?
Matt: What you are telling me is that you have no real way of proving or disproving God. So then, doesn't it come down to faith based upon evidence? I have evidence....
Atheist: I have to go. Friends just arrived. Can we finish this later?
Matt: If you want....
I'm not sure how it went with this atheist. But I hope some seeds were planted.
I gave you a reply that you cannot handle because you know it is true.
I know it is bullshit and have just proven it to be so much.
This atheist actually believed he knew for a fact that there was no God.
And your point? One cannot logically claim to others that god exists, nor can they claim the opposite. Do you want to debate god's existence? I doubt you could.
It's a good thing we don't spend a lot of time and money on punishing dead ppl. because they would never know they're being punished. no awareness without a brain.
please stay in school. you seem to have trouble understanding the most basic of logical concepts.
There are two sexes for a reason. Male and female. Reproduction happens naturally between a man and a woman. Two men can't naturally have a child nor can two women. So it's ABSOLUTELY unnatural
What is clear and concise about it? A statement requires explanation. If you think you completely understand such a broad generalisation then you understand nothing.
Please find a better techique of asking me questions that you already know the answers to. I understand the big picture and that big picture is that my eternal life means more to me then spending my days here on this earth and backing up homosexuals. I have much more to do such as telling people like you just how very much you truly need Jesus in your life.
Please find a better techique of asking me questions that you already know the answers to.
Such as?
I understand the big picture and that big picture is that my eternal life means more to me then spending my days here on this earth and backing up homosexuals.
Has anybody asked you to "back up" homosexuals? My guess is, no. It is apparent that you wish to chastise and belittle decent honest, loving people based on something someone else told you.
I have much more to do such as telling people like you just how very much you truly need Jesus in your life.
My word, you are one dimensional, have you ever thought for yourself?
You seem to not answer any of the arguments, instead, happy to spout your dogma. Good luck with that eternal life by the way, I hope it's everything you wished for.
Per your first question, I am sure you can figure that out on your own. If someone asked me to back homosexuality up and say it is right, I would never cooperate but when a person stands up for homosexual rights and gets down right upset because I don't agree with it, well, I see the hatred coming out of you because I disagree with you. We don't have to agree but just realize you can't bend me to agree with you. I have thought for myself all my life and I had to hit rock bottom in life to learn and realize that Jesus is the only way. It's evident you haven't dealt with enough to bring you to your knees so that you reach out to your Heavenly Father. He will refine you, trust me. Once the seed of Christ is planted, you deny it or accept it. If you deny it, you go to Hell. Your choice.
It goes against nature the same way beastiality goes against nature, that is not to say it is as wrong as beastiality, just that it is wrong for the same reason as beastiality.
Bestiality causes harm to animals. It is done without the consent of the animal. Homosexuality is between two consenting adult humans (and does occur in nature too).
Then have all the Homo (faggats) move to Massachusetts so we don't have to deal with them let them kill each other off with aids tired of hearing them cry about there rights I wouldn't hire one to work or let my kid go to school with a teacher that is a Homo they try to change what some religions preach who are they to talk bad about what other people belive in make ur own god that belives in whatever u want so u homos can shut up
Are you disputing me? I never said gay marraige should be legally recognized. I don't believe any marraige should be legally recognized, because I believe those that don't believe in it but love eachother should have the same legal rights as those that are married.
marriage has existed since long before anyone ever heard of christianity. so no one needs a christian preacher to perform the ceremony., and let's not forget that christian preachers are somewhat revered for their pedophilia. if i was gay, i wouldn't want my marriage tainted by a christian preacher.
Homosexuality is an abomination. If any man thinks homosexuality is right, then they must think beastiality is okay too. Homosexuals are sick in the head and demon possessed.
I'm sorry, I'll try to be civil, but when confronted with such colossal ignorance, ridicule is the only option. Homosexuality is a genetically determined sexuality, of which the subject can do nothing about. I think homosexuality is absolutely dandy, and I actually have no real "beef" with bestiality either, although I don't openly support it. Please, give me one reason why it is wrong, and I will destroy it in seconds.
PS: STD's can be spread from any sex. And I would actually say that the Catholics are more responsible for the spread of HIV, seeing as they ban contraception.
No it's not, and I'm sorry I disagree with the "it's a chemical off balance" crap too, but if that is the case does that mean they are mentally retarded then?
Yes any type of sex an STD can be caught from but anal sex which most gay men have is a much easier way to catch it. Bestiality? Right? Wow you are more twisted than anyone I've ever encountered! Let's just say having sex with innocent animals is right, wait a second! Innocent animals, they don't even know whats happening to them! So instead of calling it bestiality lets call it "Animal Rape" from now on because that's pretty much what it is.
There are those who also say it is a chemical off balance which I do not believe which would mean they are mentally retarded so the whole time you guys are saying they are born that way you are calling them retarded. I wonder if they like being called retarded and believing there is no escape from their evil?
Are you having unprotected sex with gay men? If not, I wouldn't worry about it, the physical health of others should really be none of your concern.
Most STDs came from bestiality which you have nothing wrong with and most homosexuals have STDs, that must be a sign that there is nothing good about it. Don't let ignorance cloud your mind, search for that long lost sense of reasoning and common sense will ya? But it is my concern, most homosexuals also end up going both ways! FYI, bi-sexual which is even worse really!!! And then a once gay man sleeps with a female who then sleeps with another male who then that males sleeps with another female and on and on and on and STDs are running rampant like they are now!!!
There are those who also say it is a chemical off balance which I do not believe
Why do you disbelieve it, it is perfectly natural and explainable, I can go into it if you wish.
which would mean they are mentally retarded so the whole time you guys are saying they are born that way you are calling them retarded.
You are calling them retarded, they have no retardation, everything works as it should, again I can explain this, but I'm not aware of your capacity to understand biochemistry so I'll leave it up to you to either search for the answer yourself or ask me.
I wonder if they like being called retarded and believing there is no escape from their evil?
I'm sure they'd quite dislike being referred to as retarded, and the only evil I see here is people discriminating against an entire societal group.
Most STDs came from bestiality which you have nothing wrong with and most homosexuals have STDs,
Most STDs came from bestiality, really? You can't just make up facts, that may be the Christian way but it is illogical.
Also, "most homosexuals have STDs", I can't begin to explain how cretinous and unbelievably ridiculous this statement is. Don't let ignorance cloud your mind, search for that long lost sense of reasoning and common sense will ya?
You mean the type of reasoning that would have me arrive at broad generalisations and spouting groundless claims, like you,
But it is my concern, most homosexuals also end up going both ways!
Surely as a Christian, you'll meet and marry a virgin, and remain one yourself until you consummate your union under God, no? So it won't matter to you.
I think that all homosexuals would disagree with you on this too.
FYI, bi-sexual which is even worse really!!!
Oh the reasoning, I can't help but bow to your logical might.
And then a once gay man sleeps with a female who then sleeps with another male who then that males sleeps with another female and on and on and on and STDs are running rampant like they are now!!!
Again as above, it shouldn't be any of your concern.
Why do you disbelieve it, it is perfectly natural and explainable, I can go into it if you wish.
Because I've seen gay people turn straight and that proves it's a choice and that they aren't retarded like all of you "supporters" are unintentionally saying they are retarded.
You are calling them retarded, they have no retardation, everything works as it should, again I can explain this, but I'm not aware of your capacity to understand biochemistry so I'll leave it up to you to either search for the answer yourself or ask me.
The only logical way they can be born "gay" is through a chemical off balance.
I'm sure they'd quite dislike being referred to as retarded, and the only evil I see here is people discriminating against an entire societal group.
I'm not referring to them as retarded as they aren't as they made a choice to be homosexual but like I said above YOU are.
Most STDs came from bestiality, really? You can't just make up facts, that may be the Christian way but it is illogical.
Also, "most homosexuals have STDs", I can't begin to explain how cretinous and unbelievably ridiculous this statement is.
They do it is proven and is a fact like it or not just like the fact that God exists.
You mean the type of reasoning that would have me arrive at broad generalisations and spouting groundless claims, like you,
The truth hurts buddy, you may not always like what you hear or hear of what you are doing wrong. But if you were never told you were wrong you'll never be able to be right. If a teacher tells you that you answered one of the questions wrong are you going to call you a bigot, hate monger, homophobic just because he/she said you were wrong so you can correct yourself. If yes you have some mighty fine pride issues and anger issues than.
Surely as a Christian, you'll meet and marry a virgin, and remain one yourself until you consummate your union under God, no? So it won't matter to you.
I think that all homosexuals would disagree with you on this too.
Bi-sexual is the same as a homosexual in my book, it's a sub category how about that, just like how Wyverns are a sub category of Dragons.
Oh the reasoning, I can't help but bow to your logical might.
The ones that call themselves "bi-sexual" spread the infinite STDs that the regular homosexuals have.
Again as above, it shouldn't be any of your concern.
But it is and it will stay one of my many concerns of whats wrong with people today.
Because I've seen gay people turn straight and that proves it's a choice
Really? how many?
The only logical way they can be born "gay" is through a chemical off balance.
Chemical off balance is a broad term with no real meaning, please explain this.
They do it is proven and is a fact like it or not just like the fact that God exists.
Neither of these things are facts, facts have evidence, provide some or drop the argument.
The truth hurts buddy, you may not always like what you hear or hear of what you are doing wrong. But if you were never told you were wrong you'll never be able to be right. If a teacher tells you that you answered one of the questions wrong are you going to call you a bigot, hate monger, homophobic just because he/she said you were wrong so you can correct yourself. If yes you have some mighty fine pride issues and anger issues than.
This is close to incoherent rambling.
Bi-sexual is the same as a homosexual in my book, it's a sub category how about that, just like how Wyverns are a sub category of Dragons.
This is a great point.
The ones that call themselves "bi-sexual" spread the infinite STDs that the regular homosexuals have.
Infinite?
But it is and it will stay one of my many concerns of whats wrong with people today.
No it's not, and I'm sorry I disagree with the "it's a chemical off balance" crap too, but if that is the case does that mean they are mentally retarded then?
Tough titty, it's a fact, now accept it. And of course they're not mentally retarded.
Bestiality? Right? Wow you are more twisted than anyone I've ever encountered
If its genetic wise guy, then why are there twice as many gays in cities like Seattle and San Francisco then everywhere else (by proportion)? What is that just some kind of fluke?
If its genetic wise guy, then why are there twice as many gays in cities like Seattle and San Francisco then everywhere else (by proportion)? What is that just some kind of fluke?
What a silly question. The reason those places have high gay population is due to the fact that they have accepting gay communities, and so the gays aren't intimidated by nutjobs telling them it's sinful.
Even if this were not true, it would do nothing to harm the acceptance of homosexuality as genetic. All you would have would be an ad populum.
'If its genetic wise guy, then why are there twice as many gays in cities like Seattle and San Francisco then everywhere else (by proportion)? What is that just some kind of fluke?'
there are twice as many gays in seattle and san francisco because like everyone else, gays want to live amongst those who are accepting, not backwater bigots and bible thumpers who want to kill them. ppl move to communities they want to live in. that's why.
why are there so many blacks in black communities?
why are there communities called 'chinatown' and 'little armenia?'
No, HIV came from sick humans sleeping with apes. Just make sure your neighbors know where you stand on beastiality as their little dog is at high risk with you living next door. Just the mere fact that you say you have no beef with it, who knows, you just may "evolve". Do you really realize how sick you really are? You have satan all in you and it's really sad.
Possibly, but unlikely. It is most likely that humans got too close to any one of the millions of African animals, and contracted the disease through exposure to any of the animal's fluids.
Just make sure your neighbors know where you stand on beastiality as their little dog is at high risk with you living next door.
Straw man.
Just the mere fact that you say you have no beef with it, who knows, you just may "evolve".
Red Herring.
Do you really realize how sick you really are? You have satan all in you and it's really sad.
Bloody hell, is it logical fallacies night? Special offer on at Wal-Mart? Fair enough, allow me to launch an ad hominem of my own.
From my brief encounters with you, I can draw the conclusion that you are an ignoramus of epic proportions. In every single one of your arguments, you spout nonsensical, dogmatic bollocks with no justification whatsoever. When approached, you ignore all rebuttals and resort to cowardice or ad hominem. You're not a "good" Christian at all, from what I can tell. You seem to have a narcissistic obsession with degrading those who are brighter and more sophisticated than the caveman that you are . What ever happened to love thy neighbour? Oh that's right, it's fucking worthless, just like all of your bigoted, self righteous ramblings. I will have no greater pleasure than imagining you getting ready to go to heaven, then being rejected for being the rude, obnoxious, lowly cretin that you are. Alas, it will not happen, as heaven is a figment of your blurred imagination.
You show how much of a jerk you can be, you're being quite redundant with your posts. Calm down this site is for fun and if you aren't having fun go do something else! Plus as we proved on notmymuse's topic that atheism is a lie.
'uses it to openly discriminate against people with no regard for their happiness, despite the fact that it blatantly goes against almost all of the teachings of Jesus, the defining point of his religion'
You've been here 3 and a half hours. I already hate you, as would millions of other people around the world. You are the reason that people hate religion so strongly. I would please encourage you to leave the website, or learn to defend your positions with reasonable debate (which you will not be able to do).
I don't hate you. Like I said we are all testing our beliefs and putting them to the test on this site are we not? I'm not leaving this site, now why would you even say that? I don't think the creators of this site want other members influencing others to leave their site when they want more members. Your definition of a reasonable debate must be different than mine just like how we have different opinions than each other, you use your debating style and I'll use my more understandable debating style. Chill out, sit down on the couch and calm down then come come and debate when you are feeling more up to it, I always drink chocolate milk when I'm frustrated, give it a try.
I reserve my right to freedom of emotion. I believe hate can be justified, even encouraged, as can anger, as legitimate tools to end practices that some consider negative, they're shock tactics.
So no, I will not stop being so hateful, unless you give me complete justification why millions of people should be discriminated against. When you do, I shall offer nothing but my humblest apologies to all those offended.
I also reject your love for me. If you love everything, then you are doing nothing but diluting the power of love. If everyone loved everyone, it would be worthless. It's value is in individual relationships, in lovers, friends, family. Simply loving a collective whole, because they are a collective whole, gains nothing. Your practices, despite being well intentioned, do nothing for me, or, I believe, for society as a whole. Treat people nicely by all means, until given reason otherwise, but do not love, or hate indiscriminantly.
You are discriminating against me. You reject all you want but you don't know the love I do have for humanity even if we do disagree. I love all and hate sin. That is me.
On the HIV, one of the two is correct but if these humans believe like you do about sleeping with animals, then I am probably right. Straw man about the dog? No just the truth that you have beastiality tendencies since you support others in doing it. I guess if you get married, don't get a dog as your "partner" may cheat on you with it. Blue Herring, I say. An ignoramus, lol. I am justified and saved by the blood of Christ and you can be, as well. I am a wonderful Christian. I knew you would get to this point. The last resort, saying how the Christian isn't good. I thought you didn't believe in Christianity? See, I knew you did. I have no obsession to degrade someone. I was clearly debating but once again, as I predicted, your hate has spewed out of you. That is because you have satan in you and you need to release his stronghold off of you and accept Jesus Christ. Oh, I love you and I worry about your soul. I really want you to accept Christ. I do love you.
On the HIV, one of the two is correct but if these humans believe like you do about sleeping with animals, then I am probably right. Straw man about the dog? No just the truth that you have beastiality tendencies since you support others in doing it
Can you read? I don't support bestiality, I have no opinion on it. Thus your statement about the dog was a straw man.
As for the rest, I do not tolerate being called a "fag boy", or "sick". That is revolting behaviour, and if I had it my way, you wouldn't be allowed on this site for that.
I don't support your name calling either. I apologized so can't you accept an apology or are you that full of hate that you have no forgiveness in you?
I didn't need to launch ad hominem unless you said something as rancid as you did. However, it worked. Hopefully you now realise that such behaviour is worthless.
And no, I'm not accepting that apology, because you sprinkled it with another insult. Give me a proper apology, and I'll continue. If not, then this conversation is over.
Whatever. I don't care about love. But I am grateful for your apology. Unfortunately, you've caused quite a scene already, you're now famous, meaning people are creating debates about you.
By posting something on another member because you don't like that member is wrong but from seeing how you are blinded and don't know right from wrong I can see how you would think other wise.
You are demon possessed if you are bisexual. You are just an inathentic lesbian. Sin is what creates bisexuality and that sin will damage you mentally, emotionally, physically. Just remember God offers forgiveness who will just trust in the Lord Jesus Chris. I really pray for you.
YES THERE IT IS THE WORD THAT IS FAVORITED BY THE LIBERALS!!! BIIIIIIIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEAH!!!!!!!! It's not a sin to be temped but you don't need to fall into your temptation and do what is tempting you. And yes you are demon possessed.
Yes you are for filthy sick stuff. Liberal in todays term means- "A person who believes there is no wrong and excepts everything and believes every opinion is equal unless it's an opinion that is different then his/hers, and there are many liberals because it's whats 'in' right now or you can say what is "cool" and they are also the ones who are in control of the USA right now and are the ones killing the country."...
Liberal in todays term means- "A person who believes there is no wrong and excepts everything and believes every opinion is equal unless it's an opinion that is different then his/hers,
Oh, right thanks for that. I'll just leave this here.
1.favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
and there are many liberals because it's whats 'in' right now or you can say what is "cool" and they are also the ones who are in control of the USA right now and are the ones killing the country.".
That's what kind of person you are. Like it or not you are wrong and you are very immoral and twisted no matter what that bulk of idiots standing behind you tell you.
You can look up the some subject matter elsewhere if you would prefer.
It should also be noted that Wikipedia is a system with quick, positive feedback loops and checks on those loops to keep them positive. Which makes it much more than mere "crap".
Many men wrote the Bible but it was inspired by God. Every word in the Bible is authentic and the Bible proves itself to be true. I am sorry, but I wouldn't insult Jesus by utilizing Wikepedia to aid me supporting satan.
Yes it's reliable but you never know whether what your reading or not was right or not because like I said it can be edited by anyone. Now there is no need for cursing we are only having a debate, and debates can be for fun! Now calm down and have some fun. That's why I joined this site, to test my beliefs against others because it's fun!
OK, I'm just having problems with another Bible thumping dumbass at the moment. Apologies.
Regarding Wikipedia, I think you would be surprised as to its reliability. Trust me, it's accurate. Now then, I ask once more for a reason as to why homosexuality is wrong.
Pff, I'm not even angry anymore, this is just funny. You insulted me first. I responded naturally. You are in the wrong. You apologised. I accepted, and moved on. Now you're asking me to apologise? Grow up.
Actually, go ahead. Do you really think you're looking good right now? People are making debates questioning your merits. I wouldn't waste Andy's time with a report, he has better things to do, like keep this site running.
I am not angry either. I would love to hear some kindness come from your mouth? I bet you are just a big teddy bear and trying to act like a meanie. I don't care if people make debates about me. I am not too worried about reporting either. This is funny to me, too. I am having a ball.
You are being very polite and tolerable of the abuse they are attempting to inflict. I like that you remain cool,calm and collected., Way to go as these are awesome traits to have and quite a blessing from God.
Let's have a holiday! Let's call it "Rape an Animal Day" It can be every, ummm say um whens your birthday? Well anyways we'll have it on the same day as your birthday! And the holiday is where you rape an innocent animal, whichever one you see is fair game! SOUNDS FUN DOESN'T IT!?!?!?! Of course it does.... Rape in general is wrong and I also think animal rape is wrong too as that is what bestiality is.
These people are confused, I believe it might also be because the twisted things they experience and are taught in public school. The public school system is ruining children and people these days in general.
Yes, it was a huge mistake when the Holy Bible was removed from schools and these secular books took the place of what the basis should have been on - God.
You support homosexuality. Duh. It's in your own words. It's no assumption. Fact is, you are okay with homosexuality. You are a non-believer in Christ then and thus, the lack of morals is an expected trait in any non-believer. You capitalize satan all you want, but it's not a proper name no matter how many tries to classify the name.
You get the jist of it. You support the works of satan. You need to deal with that sin on your own. It's your problem, not mine but I will keep you in prayer and if you ever want to talk, I am here.
"Free will can easily be influenced by others like satan is influencing people to be homosexuals, murder people, and commit adultery."
Yes, very good point, but you're missing the bigger picture, it's like an infantile tautology, the question you should be asking is: who is influencing Satan?
"No one is influencing satan but his own pride issue and is desires."
How do you know? I don't think you can say with any degree of certainty, the nature of tranny is to eventually be deposed, how do you know potential rivals aren't snapping at his heels?
Hey, come on, we need to crack this case wide open, were gonna blow the gates of this mother, Satan be were, we've got you figured out, you're a marked man BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
You are given free will which is the ability to choose between right and wrong. Choosing to follow God is the right choose. Choosing to follow and support evilness is that of the enemy. It's as clear as that.
The problem is not so much the choice as how does one know what is right. You will claim one knows because the bible says so, but how do you know that? How do you know the bible is right?
God, I see where you are going but it won't work. satan went against God for his own selfish reasons and satan knows he can't defeat God and he won't win but he does know he can tempt us to do wrong things and take us down with him just to spit in the eye of God. Hell was originally created for satan anyways, not for us.
You can see where I am going but you're blind to the reason.
Let me expound.
God is, in the view of the Abrahamic faiths in possession of the following characteristics:
1 Omniscience
2 Omnipotence
3 Omni-benevolence
4 Omnipresence
So, with this in mind, God created everything as it is, there is no logically possible way that he could have not known how everything was going to happen, when, why, where, whom. He knows all and sees all (hence his omni prefix), he created everything and is the perfect designer. Now, that means he created Satan to be exactly the way he is, including Satan's transgressions "against" him, this also includes all the evil that is attributed to him, and to men.
In this view (and correct me if I'm committing a logical fallacy here) there is no free will, there can't be, an all-knowing, all-powerful perfect being, can not by definition make a mistake, therefore the existence of me, you, homosexuals and Satan (this is obviously not an exhaustive list, but serves the current purpose) are all planned by God and are acting out his plan, and remember one can not deviate from a perfect plan.
There is free will, he also gave satan free will in which satan misused and God didn't make us robots as the liberal media is programming you to be. Free will, it's there and God lets you use it how you want but there is still right from wrong and do wrong and never repent and you will go to hell.
Or maybe you don't understand, I could see where you were trying to come from but what you were saying wasn't entirely true. And why do you focus so hard on the Bible? Does this mean you secretly believe you want to be a Christian? But guess what I'll never become an atheist because atheists have been proven to have more miserable lives than any other type of person out there, I am happy as a Christian and I can tell you aren't a very happy person so keep trying, misery love company but I won't be your company because I don't want to be miserable like you.
I could see where you were trying to come from but what you were saying wasn't entirely true.
Enlighten me.
And why do you focus so hard on the Bible?
Because, people like you invoke God as your surrogate reasoning to prejudge, I then see your comments and explain your own dogma to you.
Does this mean you secretly believe you want to be a Christian?
No, why should it?
But guess what I'll never become an atheist because atheists have been proven to have more miserable lives than any other type of person out there,
So, you believe in God because it gives you comfort, I, my wife and my children are Atheist and we live a very happy life, a lot of my associates are too, and guess what? They're pretty happy too.
I am happy as a Christian and I can tell you aren't a very happy person so keep trying, misery love company but I won't be your company because I don't want to be miserable like you.
You my friend are no Christian, I was myself once a Christian, I have some beloved Christian friends and family, and they would be appalled by the behaviour of people like you and your friend. I reckon I know more about your religion than you do.
Do yourself a favour, instead of trying to demean my life, go and read the book from which you purport to glean your world view.
Have you eaten shellfish, worked on the sabbath or taken out a loan lately? According to the sacred Bible, YOU are committing an abomination!!! The Bible is a great book, don't get me wrong, but there are some things you should take with a grain of salt. How many animal sacrifices have you made lately? Get with the times!!!
without flesh it is not possible to walk. sorry. maybe i should've allowed you to believe you're floating around without your feet touching the ground. you are vitriolic and extremely hateful. any religious philosophy worth holding, is completely wasted on you.
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9–10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26–28
For this reason aGod gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper
The question is not whether a handful of dubious bronze/iron age Palestinians thought homosexuality is wrong, but whether it is wrong. Congratulations, you can quote from a book. I can too. It doesn't validate your point.
Why would God allow a society that permits homosexuals to be who they are if he was so against the idea? Just remember that the Bible has some atrocious moments that question its own validity as a means of guidance. The man that offered his daughters to crowds of rapists so that they wouldn't try to have their way with an angel? I forget the name, but that is disgraceful. The Bible shows him as a hero, the one that God chooses to let escape. The Bible has the very real probability of being written for the purpose of control by bourgeois members of society many years ago. Open your eyes and don't just downgrade human beings for their sexual preferences.
as a christian the bible tells us that it is evil, however having said that, i dont se any reason for them to be treated differently. i mean im not perfect ive commited sin. let he who is free of sin cast the first stone. im fairly certain the bible tells us that it isnt our place to judge so while i believe it to be evil im notgoing to condem anyone for it same for people who have sex before marrage etc.
We are humen being. We have two most common gender in our humen lives one is man and another is female and we weak on our oposite sites; it is naturally happen. Some people say that homosexuality should be legalized. I strongy disagree with it because homosex is prohibited in our religious and it could put bad effect in our sociaty. I have couple of reason to disagree with that.
First of all, we cant go against our cause because we believe that we have to confess to our god if we do something against his rule's.We need to know what is homosexuality. From my side its mean having a sex with same gender. If man has sexual relationship with another thats call homo sex. For that reason i have quetion why do we have different gender if we attractive to same gender. My answere is we have two gender because we are weak to another. Man will attractive to woman and this is natural. We cant go against it. If we do that it would have bad change in the life
Finally, we cant moke our god. Whatever god said in the book it is good for humen. One statistich showed that we are having so many disease because of homo sex and it could be reasom for AID or other Disease. So, my clear opinion is homosexuality shouldnt be legalized because it is wrong.
I'm still not sure if homosexuality is a genetic impairment or a choice. In any case, I do not support gay marriage - to me, keeping the sanctity of marriage means keeping it between a man and a woman. In any case, when two people get married, it is by a licensed minister and with the blessing of God. God does not condone homosexuality, so how would the marriage even be legit?
That's not to say I don't like gay people - I have a couple of friends who are gay. As long as they don't hit on me, or get into graphic discussions about their sex lives, I have no problem with our friendship.
How will couples, who happen to be homosexuals, hurt the santicity of marrigage? I think they would be able to improve the sanctity of marriage as more successful marrigaes would mean a lower overall divorce rate.
Marriage does not require relgion. Atheists get married without problems, so why should gay people have an issue. The courts have the power to give marrigage certificates, and as the is a seperation of church and state, religous requirements for marriage are nessicary.
Your argument does not follow. It also does not follow that because a Christian says the Bible is agaisnt homosexuality that God is against it. God loves everyone. Boom. That said, he also wishes that it all worked out better, but what are you going to do?
So far they can t have a woman because they can t conquer his heart they will fall in this trap very easy .So far they can t satisfy a woman they never know what is the pleasure of life .First of all woman s are very hard and also very easy to conquer because woman s have expectacions from a man.So far sooner or later after they make this step as homosexual they will have woman s too but is too late to deny the wrong step they already have done
no i think each and every person has equal rights and each person can do what they want even if others think its wrong. I'm not gay but i believe in equal right for lgbt ( lesbian,gay,bisexual,trans gender)
medical researchers have known for many years that homosexuality lifestyle,, is a very disease-ridden life, to chose. (some media are downplaying or ignoring or censoring what really is happening,.One of the studies of medicine again drew attention to the strong association between Anal Cancer and , with the male homosexual contact. The reason is the lining of the anus is only a single cell thick, much more thinner, than the lining of the womb in the female human.. The anual tears easily and thus is an easy point of entry for viruses and bacteria which damages the anus and rectum. This while increase the persons chance of being at risk of getting CANCER.. Studies have also shown ,why AIDS is spreading so easliy throughout the homosexual community. Even if there are no tears in the anal lining there is still a high risk of the H.I.V infection, because certain cells in its mucus lining( M-cells) and Langerhans cells) can be infected and will carry H.I.V. deeper into the homosexuals body...
now what is most alarming is that the homosexual will also contract other diseases. 80% will get syphilitic. infected with active anoretal herpes simplex viruses. Chlamydia. A host of parasites and bacterial ,viral and protozoan are rampant in the homosexual population. Amoebiasis a parasitic disease, giardiasis also a parasitic disease and gonorrhea and the anal warts.....how dirty is this yuk.. there nothing normal in this is there. this makes you feel very sick indeed, to know that the homosexual person could be carrying around lots of diseases.
homosexuals are a disease ridden lot are they not..they are certainley going to change our world, but not for the better. they will add and help to be mans downfall.they are filthy and just not as normal as they feel they are.their sexual preferences and sexual experiments, between all the men they have sex with , has been tested and proven not to be good for our society. they are spreading there diseases between all the straight people of our society. Studies show us to that anoretal sepsis a potentially toxic baterial infection is 4 times more common in homosexuals, call in the department of public health,. they are creatures of hell, nothing normal about them... They are physiologically unnatural ,they are promiscuous their homosexual lifestyle has been proven that it is unhealthy and society has suffered at the actions of these people to encourage anyone to engage in homosexual activity is clearly irresponsible and depraved........
homosexuals have done more damaged, than they will admit. Thousands of innocent hemophiliacs died of aids in the past years because H.I.V positive homosexuals infected the blood supply.In 1984 the centers for disease control found 74 percent of homophiliacs who received blood factors, made from the plasma of U.S donors were H.I.V postive.And they are spending millions and millions of taxpayers Dollars, on anti-aids drugs for homosexuals who voluntarily engaged in unsafe sex.... the facts.. are right in front of us, we do not have to except you as anything in the eyes and hearts of the straight community you simply dont exist. the cold hard truth is the gays folk are hated or disliked by so many people,. if being gay is so natural to them, why do they find it so hard to come of of the closet, and tell people their gay. maybe they are deep down ashamed of their gayness. If being gay was such a good thing why is everybody not trying it then. Scientific and medical understanding is that sexual orientation is not a choice, but rather a complex interplay of biological and environmental factors............
why are there too debate sites on this topic...............................................................................................................
I hate those pictures with 2 fags who are kissing and theres a text saying: Isn't this BEAUTIFUL?
Well, no, its not beautiful, it's disgusting. There's a reason that man and women are created different. It's pretty far from beautiful to see a guy jam his dick up another guys ass!
Well, for starters despite the fact that the Bible evidently states the wrongness of homosexuality and the consequences of one's involvement in not only homosexual activity but also thought, we should all think like humans. Have some common sense. God created ADAM AND EVE, not ADAM AND STEVE. Secondly, to that person who suggested it's natural. Wow, could you get any dumber than that? what's so natural about a guy sticking his dick into another guys asshole and assuming there's an indication of love? it's purely disgusting and there is no other way to describe it. Its utterly shameful and one who believes it is beautiful or natural has NO brains whatsoever. Sex symbolises the connection of two bodies, two hearts that become one soul ultimately reinforcing the bond. This is done by PENIS AND VAGINA in simple terms. Thereby homosexuality is so wrong.
Well, for starters despite the fact that the Bible evidently states the wrongness of homosexuality
It also states the wrongness of various other lifestyles that I'm just going to got out on a limb here and assume you don't follow or believe.
and the consequences of one's involvement in not only homosexual activity but also thought,
You could argue it that way since the verse is vague. However it doesn't specifically state homosexual thoughts. Just lustful desires or language equivalent to that.
we should all think like humans. Have some common sense.
The irony of that is entertaining.
God created ADAM AND EVE, not ADAM AND STEVE.
1) Not everyone believes in your deity and belief system.
2) God also created us naked, but we wear clothes.
3) Yes and Adam and Eve screwed things up, apparently not God's finest creation.
Secondly, to that person who suggested it's natural. Wow, could you get any dumber than that?
Again, the irony kills me.
what's so natural about a guy sticking his dick into another guys asshole and assuming there's an indication of love?
1) Sex and attraction are two different things.
2) What's so natural about the electronic device you're typing this argument on?
3) Homosexual sex doesn't require anal sex.
4) Well non-human animals also do it. What's more natural than that?
it's purely disgusting and there is no other way to describe it.
I think mushrooms are purely disgusting.
Its utterly shameful and one who believes it is beautiful or natural has NO brains whatsoever.
Justify this. Prove it.
Sex symbolises the connection of two bodies, two hearts that become one soul ultimately reinforcing the bond. This is done by a PENIS AND VAGINA in simple terms.
1) The idea of a soul may be argued and doubted.
2) That definition of sex cannot be legally enforced, it's not your right to enforce it.
3) Two can become one without having a different genitals.
Thereby homosexuality is so wrong.
How does differing genitals during sexual intercourse prove homosexuality wrong?
It's gross and just plain old unintelligent and immoral. It needs to be stopped, only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.
So, by most arbitrary standards, are defecation, urination, digestion, flatulence, mastication and ejaculation. These are all simply bodily functions. Copulation is also a bodily function, involving two or more bodies.
To suggest that all copulation must be for the purposes of reproduction, is baseless and unsophisticated utilitarianism.
unintelligent
In what manner is homosexuality unintelligent?
immoral
In what manner is homosexuality immoral?
It needs to be stopped
Before a conclusion, comes evidence or logic; not blind assertions.
only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.
Do not hate, maim, repress or murder people because of their sexuality? I submit that all of these things are wrong.
Yes, the other bodily functions you mentioned are also somewhat gross in nature but there is a huge difference in the type of gross homosexuality is. Not all copulation should be for reproduction but the God designed man and woman for reproducing. This copulation you speak of it also a union between man and woman, a covenant between the married couple and God.
Homosexuality is unintelligent. Have you ever read the book of Judges? That book in the Bible speaks of a season in Israel where everyone was doing right that by what they assumed on their own. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is sociologically, physiological as well as it does violate secular Natural Law. Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. No one said anything about murdering, maiming, hating or repressing. I have clearly stated to you that it is a sin and you can repent and be what you are meant to be in life and live in God's love.
Yes, the other bodily functions you mentioned are also somewhat gross in nature but there is a huge difference in the type of gross homosexuality is.
And what, sir, is this huge difference?
Not all copulation should be for reproduction but the God designed man and woman for reproducing. This copulation you speak of it also a union between man and woman, a covenant between the married couple and God.
You must prove the existence of your Christian God before using His alleged plan to justify the vilification of homosexuality.
And methinks that God had enough concerns with which to contend, ere he should be found indulging His amorous propensities with a married couple.
Homosexuality is unintelligent.
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Is trust the above illustrates my frustration with the emboldened phrase.
Have you ever read the book of Judges?
No, I have not read that book of the Bible. I only like the New Testament. Less hatred, bigotry, genocide, misogyny, rape, indiscriminate murder, slavery, unfounded assertions of mass slavery, arbitrary and ridiculous laws, barbarous punishments, pathetic and at any rate inept attempts to personalise and characterise a deity that would almost certainly be so far removed from our understanding that it could not possibly care even one mote for what we did with our lives... et cetera.
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is sociologically, physiological as well as it does violate secular Natural Law.
The Bible cannot be demonstrated to be an infallible, or even credible source of such information.
And to which secular law(s) do you refer, sir?
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.
I have clearly stated to you that it is a sin and you can repent
Your notion of sin is primitive and disgusting to me. It is repugnant to my feelings, to my senses and I hardly need add my intellect. No decent person could hold the opinions that you hear illustrate. No, nor could any decent God endorse them, nor decent man proliferate them.
and be what you are meant to be in life and live in God's love.
If your God can take a day out of his schedule, busy as he may be, systematically wiping out the Sub-Saharan African peoples, I should rather he spend it addressing the terrible wrings that he has visited upon those who are apparently his pride and joy.
I think, sir, that the world has seen enough of your God's love.
What does the grossness of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?
It is unclean and not justifiable and it can't be very moral if it is gross and unclean can it?
What does the Intelligence of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?
The intelligence of a person can prevent that person from doing immoral acts, it's called common sense which tends to help people with decisions, right or wrong.
Why does it need to be stopped, without assuming that it needs to be stopped because it is "wrong".
How about the fact that homosexuals carry more STDs than the normal person and that it isn't something little children should see other than that it's all good right?
Can parental involvement really affect a child's sexuality?
Anything and everything a parent does while raising their child could have an affect on their life, just look at the children in the ghetto they will even tell you that not having a dad or father like figure affected their life drastically.
2. It requires intelligence to continue this species. It takes unintelligence to go against your own anatomy.
So you are attracted to members of the opposite sex due to intelligence? Nothing to do with hormones or desires? Wow.
3. Because you are just an immoral person.
And you know this because their opinion doesn't match yours?
4. Yes, if the parent takes the child to church, and the child learns God's word, he will grow up in the admonition of the Lord.
Yes they can learn to deny who they are ad ridicule people like themselves and wonder their whole lives if they will go to hell for feeling like they do.
Well, as I said it takes intelligence to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. So, you are as bad, once again - as the homosexual. God gave us free will and we can choose to walk in His will or walk in our flesh. Any person who goes against God in how we were created and mean't to act, is destined to burn in hell. You are immoral and I know it because you support homosexuality. You are just as guilty as the homosexual. As far as what you think about church going, know any real Christian knows he or she is saved by the blood on the cross, the blood that Jesus shed for our sins. We are redeemed through His blood.
Like I said, if you were intelligent you would not only understand the question you asked but you would also understand the answer. You clearly have no substance.
Jesus gave me the wisdom to know I am to walk in His Spirit. If you do so, you will not give into such filth that you so willingly accept. I will never accept homosexuality and neither with God.
Common sense, my friend, common sense....... Intelligence is affected by common sense in a way, and common sense can be affected by someone if they rely on what others say and if they only rely on their such big "intelligence".
So you are attracted to members of the opposite sex due to intelligence? Nothing to do with hormones or desires? Wow.
Hormones don't attract you to other people in your gender, and you don't always fall for your desires do you because some of them can ruin your life as you know it.
And you know this because their opinion doesn't match yours?
From your "anything goes" point of views you aren't very moral.
Yes they can learn to deny who they are ad ridicule people like themselves and wonder their whole lives if they will go to hell for feeling like they do.
Hormones don't attract you to other people in your gender, and you don't always fall for your desires do you because some of them can ruin your life as you know it.
First you didn't answer the question I asked. Second how do you know it has nothing to do with hormones?
From your "anything goes" point of views you aren't very moral.
Anything goes? Far from it. All you know is one thing I don't think is wrong and you do, but of course why would that stop you from assuming everything else?
Quite frankly that reply made no sense.
I will break it down for you.
A homosexual can go and be taught how he feels is wrong.
He can learn to act like you and tell other homosexuals they are wrong.
He can also wonder his whole life if his homosexuality will send him to hell.
Why do you use the same response to all of your arguments - Again, you have not answered the question I asked. You really are simple and have no basis for which you stand. And the "anything goes" reference was this member's way of stating how non-believing, immoral people live. Oh, well let the homo go and be taught he is wrong. That is a great idea you stated here. He should learn to mimic me and witness to other sinners about homosexuality being totally wrong and he shouldn't wonder about homosexuality sending him to hell, but rather he should KNOW it will send him to hell.
Why do you use the same response to all of your arguments
First don;t respond to my arguments, I respond to others and second you need to not use a pronoun here. What response would that be?
Again, you have not answered the question I asked.
What question. I went through this whole thread and didn't see a question from you.
You really are simple and have no basis for which you stand.
It is really you whole need to support your position. You need to show it is wrong.
And the "anything goes" reference was this member's way of stating how non-believing, immoral people live.
Based on the assumption you could not be wrong.
Oh, well let the homo go and be taught he is wrong. That is a great idea you stated here. He should learn to mimic me and witness to other sinners about homosexuality being totally wrong and he shouldn't wonder about homosexuality sending him to hell, but rather he should KNOW it will send him to hell.
Actually as i understand it, it is the act that is a sin in your faith not the simple act of being attracted to the same sex so no he should not know that.
I can use a pronoun anywhere I like. You have no real answers and you must have a little textbook next to you telling you how respond to a Christian. Go through the thread again. Correct, I am not wrong. When a Christian does not take each thought captive and this requires daily obedience, the mind can go to where it shouldn't be such as to allowing the enemy in to provoke perversity.
Your only other post in this thread, not debate, is the following:
1. That's a no brainer, figure it out.
2. It requires intelligence to continue this species. It takes unintelligence to go against your own anatomy.
3. Because you are just an immoral person.
4. Yes, if the parent takes the child to church, and the child learns God's word, he will grow up in the admonition of the Lord.
ALL AGES.
No question. Maybe you don;t understand what thread means?
You can use a pronoun where ever you like, but it is then far from clear.
If I have o real answers why would I need a little text book? I think. I give answers, you do not other than because it is in the Bible.
I believe you are wrong, I did not say you were right. I said based on your assumption you were. The problem is your assumption is not supported by an significant evidence.
We would not want the mind to question your blind faith, that could make you realize how baseless it is.
It is a no brainer, so figure it out. And it does require intelligence to realize we are to continue our specias and that man and woman is what is natural as there is a purpose as well for the anatomy. It is unhealthy for men on men, etc and causes disease. You are quite immoral as I have previously stated. I don't care what a thread means. You surely keep responding. Thank you for permission to use pronouns when I choose, lol. I take that back about the text book, I actually think the textbook may help you. There is no assumption with me, only fact. Therefore I need no evidence but as I stated, all the evidence you need is in the Word of God. My faith brings happiness and the fruits of the spirit into my life. I love my faith and find it to be a blessing from God that He chose me as one of His.
I have tried to explain to these people that sexual preferance is choice. These people are the basic non-believers "of the world" type people who are doomed if they do not repent.
Wait...are you saying that you choose to be attracted to what ever sex you are attracted to? If so, can you also choose if you find steak tasty or if you find oranges yummy? Can you decide that you don't like the taste of pizza?
You can only be attracted to the opposite sex, Males are attracted to Females, Females are attracted to Males and gays are deluding themselves and falling victim to their flesh (not flesh in the biological sense). Love is a choice but their is no such thing as homosexual love.
A white person can only be attracted to the opposite race, whites are attracted to blacks, blacks are attracted to whites and Native Americans, asians and Indonesians are deluding themselves and falling victim to their flesh(not flesh in the biological sense). Love is a choice but there is no such thing as interracial love.
Interracial dating, I'm not a fan of that myself either but races are different than genders, a person dating the same gender is different than someone dating a different race. Don't twist it my friend.
Logic is general, if some logic applies to a specific case it may very well apply in the general case.
For example: If it rains, then it will be went outside. It isn't wet outside, thus it didn't rain. Can be denoted as: A->B, ~B, thus ~A and the general argument applies to many many other arguments.
So far the argument you have provided can be used for a whole lot of other situations.
Wow. I assume you get your morality out of a book. I am straight and I know that I could not just change and become gay and I bey you would say the same. To me that means they didn't change either and from the ones I have spoken to and read about they didn't. How is teaching them that they are immoral for being how they are helping?
I find your attitude remarkably gross, unsympathetic and immoral.
The harm in homosexuality is that goes totally against Jesus and the Holy Bible. It's quite unnatural and those who commit this act will be cast to Hell.
The harm in homosexuality is that goes totally against Jesus and the Holy Bible
The bible in general, maybe, but I've never read any passage where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality.
That said, it is an awful argument, petulant, belligerent and devoid of morality.
It's quite unnatural and those who commit this act will be cast to Hell.
Explain your definition of natural, how I understand it is, if something exists as a product of nature then it is natural, homosexuality is such a case, not being a product of humanity as it can be observed in other species.
As for your going to hell point, really? Obeying your natural urges is worthy of eternal punishment?
I've never stated that the Bible said nothing against homosexuality but Leviticus is the old testament, I've only mentioned Christianity, also, I've pointed out to you, several passages that you are in direct violation of Gods word and you can show me one that goes against homosexuality, hardly a hard line approach, wouldn't you agree.
Seeing as we are on the topic, do you still burn animals after sinning so God can enjoy the smell?
It is a known fact that the homosexual male brain is wired in a similar way to a woman's brain. Why would people put themselves through the hell that society gives them for a "choice"?
I’m happy that you know right from wrong, but how do you know that your understanding of the "right and wrong” is even right? Maybe you grew in a community that was wrong about homosexuality and you now protest that you know what’s right and wrong. As mortals we have no definition of the REAL right and wrong. Only what we were taught which could be wrong.
I think you missed the sarcasm. I am willing to listen to any rational debate, sadly you do not seem to have that capacity. I am both open minded and skeptical, you don;t not seem to be either.
I am sorry but I can never pretend my faith is wrong as I wouldn't give the enemy satan the satisfaction. I refuse to question my faith. You are wrong because you support the immoral act of homosexuality. I have told you this more than once.
It is not about pretending. If it is correct then it can withstand the questioning.
But claiming me wrong because I support homosexuals is simply blind faith in your book-with no foundation for your faith in the Bible other than your blind unquestioning faith.
What you think is gross has no bearing on whether it should be legal or not. Consuming fecal matter is considered by most to be "gross," yet it is completely legal.
plain old unintelligent
What ignorant bullshit. I would expect so much from homophobes. Show me one study that definitively shows a correlation between homosexuality and inferior intelligence. Even if this is true, it has no bearing on whether or not it should be legal.
It needs to be stopped
Why?
only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.
Go screw yourself. You truly sicken me. Homosexuality has been proven time and time again to be NATURAL, not a choice. That's like trying to teach your kid to be another gender. You are truly an idiot.
We are speaking of it being legal here, we are speaking of homosexuality being wrong. Homophobes is also a term made up by people of your sorts. In case you didn't know, I as a Christian, love even homosexuals I just hate their sin. It needs to be stopped as it is just a means for more people to be doomed to hell and we need to put an end to an extra means of spreading STD's by this sickness. Now, now, watch your language lil guy. You go ahead and take it up the butt if you feel it's right but I am here to tell you that I think you shouldn't and you are dooming yourself to hell where you will be the idiot then. God Bless and have mercy on your soul.
You have yet to give one shred of evidence in favor of god-given moral objectivism.
I as a Christian, love even homosexuals
That's BS and you know it.
I just hate their sin
What sin? You have not made a code for god-given moral objectivism, so it is illogical for you to assert this. And also, why is it a sin worthy of eternal punishment when homosexuals do it, but when heterosexuals have anal sex, the bible says nothing against it? Will straight people go to hell, too?
it is just a means for more people to be doomed to hell
You have yet to prove that hell exists so your unfounded assertion is invalid.
we need to put an end to an extra means of spreading STD's by this sickness.
HA! STD's are not tied to homosexuality AT ALL! Heterosexuals can get it as well. So, logically (although you have shown logic and fact don't matter to you), you would have to be against ALL forms of inter-organismal sexuality. And simply because something has a chance for harm does not make it morally or legally wrong. Eating a burger has potential health side effects, but you Christian homophobes aren't whining about people who eat burgers or depriving their rights.
watch your language lil guy.
Stop depriving millions their rights.
You go ahead and take it up the butt
1. Homosexuality is not tied to anal sex, so you (yet again) have no point.
2. I am not gay. I simply don't hate freedom and innocent people unlike most Christians.
I have given all the evidence I need. You need to go and watch ShockofGod vids - his videos. He was once an atheist and he wised up. He could teach you a lot. It isn't BS, I do love all people. I hate sin and I even hate my own sin. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God but He saves us through His mercy. The bed is undefiled between a married couple - which was designated to be a man and woman union and that is clearly stated in the Bible. You will see that Hell is real when the Rapture occurs. Whether you are raptured with the Lord or whether or not you will have to endure Tribulation. one thing rings true, Hell will be shown to people just how very real it is. Not a single evil thing on this earth will be able to compete with Hell. HIV is rampant in homosexuals and you know it's true. Homosexuality is a demon possessed disease, pure and simple.
This is the most reasonable argument you've given. You find something to be disgusting, and so it is wrong. I find felching to be disgusting, and so, in my mind, it is wrong. However, I would never dream of forbidding two consenting individuals from felching; likewise, I would never dream of forbidding any two consenting individuals from engaging in any practice which does not bring harm to those who are not willing to potentially suffer any accompanying harm.
Felching sounds rather gross. It doesn't sound right, and if it doesn't sound right well.... Think about it.... I Don't understand how people that are for homosexuality hate being called a homosexual? There's supposedly nothing wrong with it so why do you get upset over it? I truly don't understand it....
I Don't understand how people that are for homosexuality hate being called a homosexual?
1. You can be "for homosexuality" without being an homosexual.
2. Your argument is a generalization; there may be some who do not like to be referred to as "homosexuals," but surely there are others who don't mind.
i believe homosexuality is not a choice people are born a certain way and shouldnt b judged upon even i necessarily dont think itz right but thats jus how people are and should b treated just as everyone else
It's gross and just plain old unintelligent and immoral.
As for gross. I find spiders gross. Yet, nature deems they mate. If nature can cause something which I personally find gross to be the order of things, why should it not find something you find gross to be the order of things? Are you ominscient and all powerful with this ability, or are you forcing your personal preference on others?
As for unintelligent. I'm assuming in terms of continuing the species, however this in itself is unintelligent. The most "intelligent" course if one is not inserting their own instinct is to not have children, them being an economic strain. It then must be assumed a desire to mate for procreation is not intelligent but instinct. If you are following desires based on instinct it is no more or less intelligent than another following desires based on instinct.
As for moral. Morality idealy would be a tool to ensure the most good for the most people, even christians would agree I would think. I fail to see in what way two people's actions in a bedroom would effect another. It cannot be immoral in any shared sense of humanity, it requires a doctrine to redefine morality, then to force this on others... which by a shared morality would be immoral in fact.
It needs to be stopped
Humans have survived with it for hundreds of thousands of years in similar percents, during periods when it was far more mainstream than presently, and during periods when it was less mainstream than presently. There has never been an example of when it has done any undue harm to individuals or society as a whole. None.
only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.
A parent can no more teach a child physical attraction than they can teach a child to breath or a child's heart to beat. It is a natural phenomenon, and no more right or wrong than any other natural function.
Oh David, don't tell me you support homosexuality too? Yes, spiders are gross. Nature designed a male and female to go together and you know it's true. It is very unintelligent to even not understand the design of anatomy and what it is and was intended for. You are an atheist and being an atheist must make you feel justified in your sick beliefs. Come on now David, I can't bear to read more that you have posted here. You are more than this. I am really disappointed in you David.
Oh David, don't tell me you support homosexuality too?
I support anyone I see society suppressing unjustly, I'm all Jesus-like in that way.
Nature designed a male and female to go together and you know it's true.
Mhm, except all those gay plants and amoeba, obviously devil spawn.
It is very unintelligent to even not understand the design of anatomy and what it is and was intended for.
I find the female vaginal tendency to bleed once a month a damn near fatal design flaw. I believe it may be nature's way of telling me to stick it in the ass more often, in that case.
You are an atheist and being an atheist must make you feel justified in your sick beliefs.
Naturally, that's must be it. Never has there been a gay theist nor even a theist who supported gay rights I'm positive.
Come on now David, I can't bear to read more that you have posted here. You are more than this. I am really disappointed in you David.
All people are greater than the sum of their arguments on any debate site I'd imagine.
Ahhh and I thought you were going to be my favorite I have run across. I am sorry you feel like when a woman is on her period, that is time to have anal sex. The anus, itself, is mean't for ridding the body of excrement. Why would you want to dip there?
The anus, itself, is mean't for ridding the body of excrement. Why would you want to dip there?
Body parts have many duel purposes. Anal sex feels pretty damn good, I'd call that a reasonable second purpose for an anus, quite like how kissing feels good, yet serves no real biological purpose.
Well, you say anal sex feels good and so do many other evil things such as taking drugs and just because something feels good means it's right. A kiss is biblical and found in the Bible. A kiss does have biological uses as it allows mates to taste and smell each other's pheromones.
Most people have sex because it feels good. And also, that kiss is biblical statement? What purpose does "smelling and tasting" each other's pheromones have if they're already mating?
If you think that then why dont you just stay out of it. what if you loved someone with all of your heart and you wernt allowed to be with them becasue they were of the same sex
? How would that make you feel? It dosnt need to be stopped, sometimes it cant be helped its not like pple go "oh im gonna be homosexual cuz my life sucks and thats gonna make it better" eventhough they know its not. No people dont just say that stuff sometimes its not even their choice. it may be something there born with. and parents should accept their child no matter what
Good person I implore you to not attack parents for allowing their children to blossom into the children that God has created them. It is not a parent cause problem nor is it a choice. Right from wrong only exists within a person individually. Your rights and wrongs could be different from mine, there is no "law" that tells what is right and what is wrong.
Your statement sums up the intelligence of arguments against homosexuality. I have yet to see one intelligent argument against homosexuality. Even the Bible has comparatively little to say about it compared to hoarding possessions and usury. It's about as evil as eating shrimp.
It's so sad that people like yourself are flooding CreateDebate with inconsiderate and blatantly wrong comments that are filled with grammatical errors and mixed and unorganized thoughts. Seriously. I mean, you have 5 points and you just made a completely uneducated comment that actually does not make sense to me. It's pissing me off. CreateDebate is not a place for people with the IQ of a banana.
Fuck you, homophobes. I am damned tired of people denying people basic rights because some fucking 2000 year old POS book claims that gays should burn in hell for all eternity for doing something that is 100% natural.
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These fucktard, anti-gay, piece of shit, Christian (only the dumb christians), uneducated, freedom-hating, jackasses thing it is a choice and believe moral objectivism.
Ok. Let's assume these morons are right. Why then, would god give his children free will only to send them to hell for using it?! And this moral objectivism bible bullshit has been disproven time and time again.
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Screw you homophobes. You are mored deserving of the punishment you seek to impose on gays. Let them be. They are not freaks of nature. Homosexuality is natural. Why then, would god create homosexuals only to have them burn in hell!?
Is it just me or are anti-homophobes becoming more judgmental and hating than homophobes themselves?
I am damned tired of people denying people basic rights because some fucking 2000 year old POS book claims that gays should burn in hell for all eternity for doing something that is 100% natural.
Well I agree that these people should not impose their personal views onto others, but they should be perfectly able to hold these views.
These fucktard, anti-gay, piece of shit, Christian (only the dumb christians), uneducated, freedom-hating, jackasses thing it is a choice and believe moral objectivism.
YOU ANTI-HOMOPHOBES!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT! THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS FROM HELL! Ok that was somewhat sarcastic, but still for someone complaining about discrimination and hatred you sure are doing a lot of it.
Ok. Let's assume these morons are right. Why then, would god give his children free will only to send them to hell for using it?!
It's the way they use their free will that determines whether they go to heaven. What's so hard to understand about that?
And this moral objectivism bible bullshit has been disproven time and time again.
Oh really? Would you like to support this?
Why then, would god create homosexuals only to have them burn in hell!?
That's not what is believed. Since Christians think homosexuality is a choice, the misuse of free will to be gay is why they burn in hell.
are anti-homophobes becoming more judgmental and hating than homophobes themselves?
No one is anti-homophobe, they are pro-freedom. If they are judgmental against those who wish to oppress a group of people, then their disgust is warranted.
they should be perfectly able to hold these views.
That doesn't mean they can impose them on others, which is what they have done.
for someone complaining about discrimination and hatred you sure are doing a lot of it.
I'm fine with harsh speech, as long as it is founded in fact and logic. Mindless, ignorant, stupid oppression and discrimination, however, I will not stand for.
It's the way they use their free will that determines whether they go to heaven.
You can't use your free will to change your sexuality. That is absurd. That's like creating women, then punishing the, for being women for no logical reason, and the justifying this by saying they chose to be women. But really, I wouldn't expect any better from these neanderthals.
Oh really? Would you like to support this?
You have the BOP. I'm not going to disprove what hasn't been proven to begin with.
Since Christians think homosexuality is a choice, the misuse of free will to be gay is why they burn in hell.
Simply because neanderthals think it is doesn't make it so.
I personally believe some people do choose to become homosexuals, but I am also aware that many are born homosexual. So I particularly agree with your statement about women being born that way. It's not a choice in many cases to be homosexual.
Also you skipped over his some of what he said he was talking about peoples rights to have differing veiws on the subject of homosexuallity, stating that people still can not impose those beliefs on others.
And who defines what is "Mindless, ignorant, stupid" arguments. True sometimes it is easier to spot out than others, but still it depends out our own perspectives and biases.
I have a lot of respect and appreciation for your intelligent outlooks on many different things.
I find that I agree with you more often than not.
I simply ask a light hearted request that you not let your emotions get the best of you, because I like you as a debater.
It’s hard to do sometimes, I admit, but it can be detrimental sometimes.
In ancient Greece, the definition of a ‘sage’ was a person who didn't allow their emotions to take over or cloud their reasoning. I don't perceive that your reasoning is clouded; I agree with your overall position, but your response somewhat resembles an outburst, and I think you have the ability to be sage-like.
damn Apollo what side are you on first cancer is a sin along with you saying some crude stuff about gays now your for homosexuality.lolz
guys there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, everyone can make a choice that is natural, gay, strait, bye what ever its you choice in life to make decisions.
No.its not natural.how are you gonna have kids with someone of your own gender.if it was natural men would have been giving birth.because every organism that is divided into male and female groups have the males and females attracted to each other so they can reproduce.not only animals but you don't see the north pole of a magnet attract the north pole of another magnet.instead the two pole push each other away.SEE its the law of the universe.so you carry on being gay you gonna disrupt the space time continuum :)
and the reason God said No to homosexuality is because if there is an apocalypse and there is only two gay men left and one woman .the human race will be doomed.
So.. You think that you can just say the Bible is wrong. Well you may be wrong in this situation, you see this all binds up together, their are christian believers.. On the dollar bill it says "In God We Trust". Not "In Gays We Trust". Or "In Buddhism We Trust". So listen, now that I have covered that Christianity is real, I will now say my final parts. So, Adam and Eve is true, remember that. The Bible says not to be gay to remain with a women. One more thing, It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
How does a piece of paper used as currency prove that Christianity is real?
And it was necessary to be Adam and Eve, because that's how the story moved on, they had children. Doesn't mean that Adam and Steve are bad people, just not necessary to that part of the story.
So.. You think that you can just say the Bible is wrong.
Not only do I think that, I regularly do so.
The bible is utter nonsense.
Well you may be wrong in this situation
Logic doesn't work that way. You have yet to fulfill your burden of proof supporting the bible. I have pointed out numerous self-contradictions, scientific impossibilities, factual improbabilities, etc.
You are pre-supposing validity. Sorry, but you can't logically do that.
you see this all binds up together, their are christian believers..
And your point? There are flat-earthers, as well. There are holocaust deniers. Simply because a belief exists does not make it true.
On the dollar bill it says "In God We Trust".
Unfortunately, it does. Would you like to know why? In the 1950's, the radical christian nuts fought to spit on the constitution and ignore the separation of church and state and arrogantly place their pathetic sign of intolerance to declare to the world how "righteous" we are.
Not "In Gays We Trust". Or "In Buddhism We Trust".
What the fuck are you talking about?
So listen, now that I have covered that Christianity is real
You have done no such thing.
So, Adam and Eve is true
Again, you can't pre-suppose validity any easier than I can pre-suppose fallaciousness. You have given no evidence supporting this and I could give you scientific evidence directly contradicting this.
The Bible says not to be gay to remain with a women.
Again, at this point the bible is still utter nonsense.
Homophobic is a fake word created by the homos themselves and the others who support the filth. It's not natural stop saying that lol! Male and female, the male impregnates the female to reproduce. The penis was made to go in to the vagina, the penis wasn't made to go in a butt which is FACT. Cussing, that shows a lackofintelligencemydearboy.
These so called "morons" are right. The more common type of Christianity practiced by most Christians today is watered down and made to not step on any toes whether it's wrong or not, the more common Christians aren't supposed to act in the same way as non-Christians as they do so therefore any
Christians that believe it is okay aren't real Christians yet. I never said to punish them because I won't be the one punishing I'm just telling them to stop so they won't be punished, not to mention tolerance for sin is sin, you figure out what I mean by that on your own. God didn't create homosexuals because they choose to be one, they aren't born that way you know.
Homophobic is a fake word created by the homos themselves and the others who support the filth.
This is a red herring and an unjustified assertion. And it is indeed a real word.
It's not natural
Observed in thousands of species, proven to have genetic linkages, widespread in all populations at a constant rate. But to you, facts and logic clear don't matter.
Male and female, the male impregnates the female to reproduce.
Your point...this is independent of homosexuality's occurrence in nature.
The penis was made to go in to the vagina
It was "made" at all. It evolved into modern existence over millions of years.
the penis wasn't made to go in a butt
How is this even relevant?
Cussing, that shows a lack of intelligence my dear boy.
This is ad hominem. I couldn't care less about whether or not you approve of my lexicon.
These so called "morons" are right.
Unjustified assertion.
The more common type of Christianity practiced by most Christians today is watered down and made to not step on any toes whether it's wrong or not, the more common Christians aren't supposed to act in the same way as non-Christians as they do so therefore any Christians that believe it is okay aren't real Christians yet.
Wow. You are actually going to claim there is only one interpretation of the bible, yours, and yours is the "correct" one? Under your logic, anyone who has worked on the sabbath is not a Christian.
I never said to punish them because I won't be the one punishing I'm just telling them to stop so they won't be punished
You really are incompetent. How many times have I asked you to prove the existence of hell and make a case for god-given moral objectivism. Until you successfully do both, your claim is bullshit.
not to mention tolerance for sin is sin
see above
God didn't create homosexuals because they choose to be one, they aren't born that way you know.
What an idiot you are. Prove it.
There is no logic with you people. You just spew bullshit and claim it is fact. Pathetic. That moronic argument has been disproven time and time again.
This is a red herring and an unjustified assertion. And it is indeed a real word.
No it's not and it isn't even a real phobia, I'm not scared of homosexuals... Homophobic is a word created merely to insult people who disagree with the filthy acts of homosexuals.
Observed in thousands of species, proven to have genetic linkages, widespread in all populations at a constant rate. But to you, facts and logic clear don't matter.
Animals hump to hump when excited or when they are hyper, my dog would get really hyper if you made wild and wacky noises and would run and hump a pillow... It's not natural in the way your trying to say it is.
It was "made" at all. It evolved into modern existence over millions of years.
Evolution is false!!! Remember? Duh.....
This is ad hominem. I couldn't care less about whether or not you approve of my lexicon.
I understand that. BUT you can at least be more civil right?
Unjustified assertion.
And so is atheism.
Wow. You are actually going to claim there is only one interpretation of the bible, yours, and yours is the "correct" one? Under your logic, anyone who has worked on the sabbath is not a Christian.
Many Christians water it down a bit to be more liked by other people and any Christian who practices Christianity the right way is called an "extremist" or too Christian which I find very ignorant.
You really are incompetent. How many times have I asked you to prove the existence of hell and make a case for god-given moral objectivism. Until you successfully do both, your claim is bullshit.
I ask you this, prove atheism first and I'll see what I can do okay?
Yes it does say in the Bible tolerance for sin is sin, FYI light cannot hand around darkness.
What an idiot you are. Prove it.
There is no logic with you people. You just spew bullshit and claim it is fact. Pathetic. That moronic argument has been disproven time and time again.
What has been proven time and time again? Homosexuals choose to be one unless you support that "theory" that they are mentally challenged?
Homophobic is a word created merely to insult people who disagree with the filthy acts of homosexuals.
No, it isn't. If I wanted to insult you, I would call you things much worse.
Disprove homosexuality's existence in the 800 animals I listed. The disprove it ALL of the fifty sources I listed.
Evolution is false!!! Remember? Duh.....
Disprove it, moron.
BUT you can at least be more civil right?
Not while you continue to demean and insult people for a natural occurrence.
And so is atheism.
Idiot, atheism asserts nothing. And regardless, that is not a defense. You have admitted you are wrong by saying that.
Many Christians water it down a bit to be more liked by other people and any Christian who practices Christianity the right way is called an "extremist" or too Christian which I find very ignorant.
Address my point.
I ask you this, prove atheism first and I'll see what I can do okay?
You have to be fucking kidding me.
ATHEISM IS ASSERTING ANYTHING. What am I supposed to prove? It is YOU who is trying to prove the existence of your bullshit child-killing god. Now do it. You can't, you are neither intelligent enough nor knowledgeable enough.
Yes it does say in the Bible tolerance for sin is sin, FYI light cannot hand around darkness.
How many times have I asked you to prove the existence of hell and make a case for god-given moral objectivism. Until you successfully do both, your claim is bullshit.
Homosexuals choose to be one unless you support that "theory" that they are mentally challenged?
Prove it is a choice. It is natural and perfectly ok.
Disprove every point made in this video. There is no logic with you people. You just spew bullshit and claim it is fact. Pathetic. That moronic argument has been disproven time and time again.
I'm just wondering if you are actually a Christian or if you are pretending to be. If you are, insulting people isn't going to help. If you aren't, please stop.
your the one hating on gays you primitive filthbucket............... look at some behaviour studies and you'll see people don't choose to be gay, they have irregular amounts of either testosterone or estrogen. I'm straight to.
It's not "completely natural", how is it natural if it goes against the very laws of nature??? Sex is meant for breeding and animals know this better than any body, that's "sex" was made for so how can a homosexual breed if it isn't even with the opposite gender which is required to reproduce? How is it natural?
A lot of things disgust people, and there's nothing you can do about it but move on and accept it as life.
For example, it really disgusts me when couples are attached at the hip in public.
So that means, since it disgusts me, that it's wrong? No, it just means I'm personally disgusted by it, have to accept it as something I can't change and move on with my life. Simple stuff.
And I know they're happy, and so I find that part cute.
Is it right for a person to fart right next to me for no reason? Am I not supposed to say something to them for farting on me? Of course not I'm supposed to let them stand there and disrespect me and everyone else around them? Hell no I say punch him in his damn face! lol.
Because a lot of young children don't see anything wrong with farting. It's not wrong to them. But since it's wrong to you, then you'd simply punch them in the face?
Everyone's views on what's wrong and right is different. EVERYONE'S. You'll rarely find someone who you agree with them in everything. But by your logic, all those people who disagree with you should just be attacked.
I didn't say a child, the old atheist trick of putting words in other peoples mouth! I for one love that you guys do that because it's quite funny, something a 4th grader would do in fact.
I think what the other person was getting at is this: given a completely homosexual population, the odds of survival, ignoring the question on how a completely homosexual population survived in the first place, are essentially non-existent.
Am I against homosexuality? Yes, I am. Do I think that legislating this type of morality is a good thing, not really.
I agree with the argument .It is the choice and should be the right of every individual to select their love or life partner because love choice is a very personal and intimate affair.There will always be disputes ,scandals,sentiments involved but I think as long as it doesn't involve violence and harm others it should be accepted .........the truth is LOVE IS BLIND .....
I believe that homosexuality is a perversion, because God created man for woman and woman for man. I think gay men have a psychological disorder or certain genetic changes. It's certainly does not concern me, but gomosexuality and gay parades are a bad example for children and the younger generation
YOU may believe that but a lot of people don't. And even if you think it's wrong, or perverse, you should still respect other people's decisions if they aren't hurting anyone.
You think it's a psychological disorder? Well, if it is one, it's one that doesn't need to be cured. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone and if someone simply wants to love someone else that shouldn't be anyone else's business.
If you think THAT is what is setting a bad example for children, I wish you to look at what governments show children, and what television does as well. That is far more dangerous than people being in love and showing only love.
I just don't understand homosexuality. Now we are taught that homosexuality is normal and nothing's wrong there. But it is not true. First, it is speaken by homosexuals themselves in order to implicate you in your fight against the normal people. Secondly, all kinds of pederasty leads to moral decay of our society that is fraught with consequences such as mental illness and mental expansion. After all, homosexuality and other sexual perversions this is the first stage of the degeneration of man, which leads to mental diseases and deformities of the body. Homosexuality is a problem of a normal society, a disease which must be fought. And as we have much more women than men in the world, and If the homosexualism will become more popular, then we will have much more lonely women. That's why we should teach to our children that the homosexuality is wrong. Moreover, it is prohibited by Quran and may be by other religious books
Evolution is false. And don't confuse evolution with adaption. When a male monkey humps another male monkey it has no idea it's humping another male monkey because it's just humping to hump but when a human being has sex with the same gender he/she knows it's doing wrong and knows what he/she is doing. Yes it is effecting my life, I don't want me nor any of my family seeing that sick crap. What you don't know doesn't hurt you isn't always true. The thing is they don't even feel love for the other homo they are seeing, it's a lie and they are fooling themselves and mustn't know what love really feels like.
Animals have no spirits. It is in the Bible though one day we will lay with the lion and the lamb. I do have animals but they are innocent like children. God protects them.
You don't see it, it's not like anyone one is going up to you in public and start making love.
And how do you know if it's love or not? You don't feel what they feel.
And from the fact that you just said evolution is false I can already see how educated you are. We can see evolution happen in generations with some species.
I have yet to see any proof of evolution, yet to see any. If I don't know what they are feeling neither do you than. You're the type of person who believes every opinion is equal right? So judging someone by their education is going against the very rules you put on yourself or do these rules that everyone's opinion is equal only apply to you and people like you? I don't like seeing two men or two women kissing or holding hands together because it's sickening and I only fear for the people that try to shelter their children from the filth only to take them out to eat at Wendy's to see a two men or women kissing in line when all they wanted was to go out as a family and eat not to see such filth. Do homosexuals think about the others around them and how they don't want to see that sick sick filth?
Evolution is a fact. Unfortunately, in science, a theory is what is used to explain a fact. Our main proof of evolution is that you can watch it happen. For example, various antibiotic resistant bacteria evolve resistance to our drugs. We also have proof in the form of genetic replicators, like DNA, and transitional fossils.
Sorry to say it's not fact, yet to be proven and never will. Not enough fossils to say other wise. None of my ancestors were monkeys, I don't know about yours but I do know about mine, I have no monkey uncles to say the least. Adaption not evolution, take this for example, fleas they get immune to certain flea killing shampoos. Why? Because they adapt, not evolve but they adapted.
None of my ancestors were monkeys, I don't know about yours but I do know about mine, I have no monkey uncles to say the least.
I agree. That's because evolution does not say that we are descended from monkeys, rather that they are our cousins that share a common, now extinct, ancestor with us.
Adaption not evolution, take this for example, fleas they get immune to certain flea killing shampoos. Why? Because they adapt, not evolve but they adapted.
Quit trying to convince a Christian that atheism is the way to go. Evolution is not a fact but rather a big joke. That is evolution in your perspective. Yes we did evolve they was God allowed us to but no more and no less. Monkeys are our cousins. That would mean they are human. Is that what the africans did? Breed wth monkey?
And I judge who I choose to. I judge harshly for a lack of education, but know it's not the person's own fault but their upbringing.
And I never claimed to be that type, you're simply assuming it. I'm for homosexuality because I don't choose to judge people based on something they can't control, and because I am bi.
I don't like seeing any couples in public on each other, can't do anything about it. And even though I don't like seeing it doesn't mean it's wrong. Just means I personally wouldn't do it, and I can turn away and not care what someone else is doing.
Do heterosexual couples who make out public think about how uncomfortable they're making people? It goes both ways.
And you obviously don't know much about evolution, and I'm not the one to teach you. So I won't get into an argument of that. Though I'm sure one of the lovely, educated gentlemen on this site would love to explain evolution to you.
Why are you going around bragging you are a bisexual. You should be ashamed and I am not even sure I believe your argument. Prove you are a bisexual. You are for homosexuality because you are a homosexual. I don't care to see anyone make out in public nor in TV - we both agree on that. I don't even want to no more about evolution and would not listen if presented to me. It's a bunch of hoopla.
I don't even want to no more about evolution and would not listen if presented to me.
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DENIAL.
You reject all forms of logic and reasoning, of scientific evidence, and any views that go against your own. Debate is pointless with you; you refuse to accept anything that goes against your self interested, unjustifiable, and twisted viewpoint. You are a prime example of Christian dogma & obsession, you are why atheists often hate religion.
Bragging? lol I was explaining myself. And I have no reason to be ashamed either. I'm proud of who I am. I'm proud of my sexuality, and the things I've done.
And the only way to prove it is to disgust you. And since we both agree we don't care to see couples on each other like animals then I I can't. Nor do I have to. lol You can believe me or not, it doesn't change must of anything.
Very well, choose not to learn about the thing you argue against. That just proves what a poor debater you are and how ignorant you are. It's not my problem you want to be seen as uneducated.
Love is a choice as much as it is a feeling. You don't know what I feel or the other person you are debating with feel yet you are stating something totally contrary to the original statement. Evolution is false. I must agree.
Homosexuality is a choice, I've heard of many homosexuals becoming "straight", that PROVES love is a choice. You mean they are "adapting", I for one adapt to the cold in the winter and can actually walk around in the cold outside without shoes, I didn't evolve I adapted to the cold. If we evolved from monkeys how come they are still here?
No. Those people FORCE themselves to think they've changed. But they don't really live a happy life by forcing themselves to be with someone they don't want to be with, or just completely be alone.
No, I mean evolution. You throw a couple of pigs out in the wild and within three or four generations, I believe that's the right time, and they EVOLVE into boars. And adaption is a part of evolution. It's how it takes place.
The reason monkeys are still here is because species branch off. They don't just disappear, just a few start to change where it's necessary while the rest don't need to.
LOL I bet you're one of those Christians who don't believe in Dinosaurs :')
Please give some form of proof to any of those statements. You make wild claims, and offer nothing. Until you do, I would be amazed if anyone takes you seriously.
It is. Penguins are one of the many examples on how animals can be gay. And its not all about sex. Two men can fall in love with each other, and have sex with women, i have heard of cases of this.
The majority of the population doesn't have sex for reproduction, but for pleasure. So, really no one should have sex, unless they are trying for a child.
That's what I'm hearing from you.
You start telling people that. I'm sure they'll listen.
People should only have sex if there's the possibility of reproduction. Of course people are going to have sex for pleasure, but does that mean that it's moral? Nope. It means that it's pleasurable. If morality if defined by pleasurability, then we're going to have big problems.
For a thing to be natural does not mean it's ok. It is natural to piss on yourself, or eat poisonous mushrooms, or pick your nose with your fingers, or to even eat with your hands. All of which is very ghastly.
Natural is anything that we'd do if we still weren't evolved. Some of those things aren't necessary and can actually hurt our survival, such as the things you've named, others are push our survival forward, such as sex.
To be totally honest, I stopped arguing on this debate awhile back and thought we were talking about sex in another debate the first few arguments I made lol Soooorrry.
But nonetheless, homosexuality sex is still natural, if you look through this debate there has been countless examples of animals doing it.
And regardless of if it's wrong or right, does it really effect you? If there is a homosexual couple? It has no effect on your life whatsoever so why does it matter?
I see your point Saurbaby08, but it's not right to me. God didn't make gays have children. Male and females do. And my point is, what if this takes over, how can the world be taken over by someone wanting to kiss a guy, then everyone will think, homosexuality is right. Then their popularity will grow, then everyone is gay. Also, then everyone will say screw the bible it isn't right, then from the start of a few gays, turns the world upside down. My point!
And I highly doubt that people would suddenly all become gay if it was accepted. People still want children, and people would still be born finding the opposite sex attractive. It's not a choice, so it'd be no problem that everyone would choose to be gay if it was accepted.
Also, no offense, if everyone said "screw the bible", that may not be a bad thing. People would become more open-minded, and would finally let go of old beliefs that are far out dated.
Not that anyone would let go of their belief in a god, because I believe that will always stay in tact, in some shape or form.
There are also many acts of cannibalism that is considered natural within the "animal kingdom." We, however, have reached this point in our evolution for a reason, and we don't eat our young like those animals because we're not built like them any longer. We have surpassed the rest of the species in evolution, so bringing up that it's natural because it's exhibited by creatures that are on a completely different level than us is a null rebuke.
However, if you can supply some reasoning as to how homosexuality is a productive addition to mankind's societies, then please do.
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Secondly, I would like to point out that this argument is not about love in the sense that you're addressing. There exists a world-peace kind of love where everyone loves each other just because we're people, and there's the love that comes from an intimate bond with someone. What you are calling love is a sexual attraction, as the word "homosexual" describes in the first place.
The way you worded your second point implies that, by suppressing homosexual urges, we are suppressing the relationship between these two people. This is incorrect, unless their relationship only involves sex (and that is a very loose bond on its own). Say, for instance, that I am male and have an intimate bond between one of my friends, also male. While this is considered love, it's not homosexual love as it does not involve a sexual attraction. A man can have an intimate bond with a man, and in fact this is a strong and healthy friendship, but it isn't homosexual unless there is a sexual bond between the two.
I've digressed somewhat, however, haha. But I still suggest you read up on the triangular theory of love. It's an interesting topic, anyway.
I believe ricedaragh already has, and gave a source for it. And if you read the arguments beyond just this first one you'd see we've already discussed it.
Why did you just say there isn't an "us against them" and then turn around and tell me to argue with he and Apollo. Silly one, I already have argued with them and pointed out their simple mindedness. Oh no, you said the word "immature" - I feel so bad. You are entertaining me, please continue. You are very much a simpleton.
Because they're bothering to try and educate you, unlike me. I won't waste my time trying to teach a Christian something like science. They should already know about it if they want to debate.
I see you've completely stopped debating the topic.
You're entertaining everyone on here with your ignorance.
Me? A simpleton? Ask anyone here, I'm far from that.
You are simply a brainwashed sheep though, who has let a book control your life. A book that has no proof and more immoral acts in it than most movies.
Call me a brainwashed sheep, persecute me for my beliefs, I will still stand. I wouldn't deny Jesus Christ if it mean't my life. I don't what other people think, I just worry about your soul and I think you are being a follower of the world and not an original. That's all.
LOL, I don't have a soul to worry about. Sold that thing a loooong time ago ;)
And you were persecuting others based on their beliefs. Shall I go find some of the names and insults you were using, or do you remember clearly enough?
I have no problem being called a follower of the world. Humans conform together for a reason, and I respect that nature.
I am sorry you sold it to the devil then but you can still get it back. I am not persecuting. I am rebuking. You non-believers are the ones who persecute Christians just as Jesus said you would in the Bible. Once again, you have proven Jesus to be right again in his prophecy. Well go on and be follower of the world. It's about the only thing you will enjoy in your life because you have chosen to not have eternal life with Jesus. Christians are in the world but they are living in Jesus, not the world. He rewards us with His blessings which far surpass and anything on this world. He gives us the fruits of the spirit which are a reward for us being his disciples and keeping our spiritual armour on. Yes, we may fall and face all kinds of trials, but we know that we have an eternity awaiting us in Heaven. You can have that too. It's a free gift from Jesus.
Well if you are bored, let's call it quits here. It's evident I am dogmatic. I don't hate you, and I genuinely do care about your soul. Please take care and know I mean no ill will and wish you the best. God bless.
You are unwilling to accept that you are a vile creature and you still have hope though. Repent and turn from your ways before you are judged and cast into the pits of hell where you will find out just how bad homosexuality will hurt you when you get raped and sodomized daily. It will be nothing but all the things you support here on earth that are evil.
I am rather a vile creature. For example, I love anal sex. And I strip for money. And I've had sex before marriage. This all makes me vile, right? lol
I don't want to "repent". I am HAPPY. And I know for a fact that I am a good person. And I know that no god exists that can be as cruel and harshly judges as yours.
I welcome Hell if it's real, which I highly doubt it does. But if your belief is real, then I'd rather burn in hell in pain for eternity than accept your views and follow a god like yours.
I am done talking about religion with you, as I've said already.
You can repent from any vile ways. You are living in the false, worldly happiness. You may be a good person, no objection there but you are not a good person when you partake in evil sin. God is going to judge harshly and many don't want to accept this because that would mean they have to give up their selfish ways of living and walk in obedience. Be careful in the words you choose as you don't welcome Hell. It is very real and it's for eternity. I am done talking with you as well but you will remain in my prayers. Love and bless you.
I went to the College of Hard Knocks. You do know college degrees are basically no guarantee you will get a good job. Actually, I am a registered nurse.
Bestiality does not have any relevance to this situation, your argument is invalid and completely ignorant. Clearly I was stating that these animals have exhibited homosexual behavior WITHIN their own species thus proving that it is indeed, completely natural. I am in no way saying that homosexual sex is in any way more animalistic in anyway than heterosexual sex. Lets face it, we are ALL animals, and heterosexual behavior is just as natural as homosexual behavior.
What does any of what I just said have to with bestiality? Where is YOUR mind?? Obviously I was stating animals which also exhibit homosexuality. This proves it is natural, because it is present in the natural world, it is NOT man made. We, among many many other animals exhibit both heterosexual and homosexual behavior. This throws out the whole "it's not natural" argument out the window.
An action is only wrong if it violates another's natural rights or goes against your rational self interest. Homosexuality does neither, so no it is perfectly fine.
Clearly, the creator this debate is an intolerant, bigoted coward who clearly lacks the maturity to deal with someone who simply doesn't agree with them.
You are aware of how we were designed by God so you should know what is natural and what isn't natural. The anus was designed to defacate, etc. As I asked another member, why would anyone entertain the thought of thinking that is natural?
I still haven't seen your contentions regarding religion, I am beginning to suspect intellectual cowardice. In regards to this topic, you haven't disputed my premise. ANY action that doesn't defy another's natural RIGHTS or goes against what that particular individual perceives to be in his rational self interest, then there is nothing wrong with that action. And to instigate further discussion into what I still intend on finishing, god didn't design us. He doesn't exist.
God didn't write the bible. God didn't translate the bible to English. God didn't use the bible to control Rome. God didn't use the bible to start the crusades. The bible was written, translated, enforced and used by man to suit his needs and desires, just as you now use it to denounce anyone who isn't like you.
The mouth is used to eat things, yet several species of animal practice oral sex. If your argument is that it's unnatural, thousands of species are known to have homosexual sex. However, I assume in inane fundie fashion, you will continue to ignore that.
So, ma'am. If you've ever had any kind of sex or foreplay at all, or had any kind of sexual contact involving anything other than a penis in a vagina for the sole purpose of procreation, you are a hypocrite. After all, anything else would be "unnatural", right?
Since I can hear the whining about Wikipedia, please do me the one favor of scrolling down to the "Bibliography" section, where you can see every piece of information sourced for you.
This may come as quite a shock to some people, but not everyone chooses to subscribe to absurd religious dogma. If homosexuality is wrong, so is shellfish, shaving your beard and having a cheeseburger or pepperoni pizza. "All sins are equal in God's eyes". You cannot cherry pick the bible as it suits your needs and discrimination, and fear-based hate of people who aren't like you. At the end of the day, the bible is a book. Some choose to read and believe, some choose to read and not believe and some choose not to read at all. To think that roughly one third of the world's population should have moral jurisdiction and authority over the other 66% over a book is quite a myopic, narcissistic way of looking at things.
Whoa there, if you don't think a third of the world should be judging you, maybe you shouldn't be calling their beliefs absurd. Much less than one third of the world's population doesn't believe in God, perhaps belief in God is a perfectly viable reason to judge something as moral or not.
That said, legislating and forcing people to behave in a way that one considers moral is not the answer with regards to homosexuality. So I agree with that half of your argument.
Yes all sins are equal but God does dislike certain ones more but still treats them as equal, though God does allow the sin of homosexuality and of all those who believe it is fine for their hearts to be hardened by their sins, which means unlike most sins you can't see the error of your ways.
You can't know what God likes and dislikes, because He is of a higher power. (If you're real, God, I apologize for my sarcasm. Really.) And anyway, if God finds all sins equal, and treats them equally, then we are all sinners and we are going to hell.
All sins are sin in God's eyes but let's talk about real sins then. I don't believe this is a cherry pick of the Bible. This is just a topic on homosexuality and how wrong it is. At the end of the day, the Bible is a book - yes, and you have that choice as well.
You forgot that one stupid made up words by sick immoral people, "homophobic". Sorry buddy there is nothing right about it, try justifying murder because only people or people similar to you could even try to justify murder, remember I'm talking about murder not killing in general. Murder- "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." Wait never mind stay on topic.
Uhh, I'm gonna go with C: both. You're trying to justify homophobia by claiming that the people who noticed it were sick and immoral, and then by throwing in a long winded red herring, which you then retract. Give me one reason why it is wrong.
As far as I can tell, you made one comprehensible reason, which was about STD's, which have no more to do with homosexuals than hetero's. So you still have no reason.
Anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex because the anal tissue is more prone to tearing during sex than the vaginal tissue. and women who have sex with women who are HIV positive are also at risk of becoming infected through vaginal secretions, but homosexual men are more at risk than homosexual women, both though are gross as hell lol.
That's quite facetious. I doubt it raises the chance of contracting by anything higher than 1%. Would you rather deny freedom of choice than to have an open, equal society?
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:1-5
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
John 8:7
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
James 1:26
Some example of a Christian you are, you disgust me, passing judgement on your fellow man in blatant disregard for the word of your saviour.
Yeah, they're filthy hypocrites. But here's another one of their hypocritical, sadomasochistic opinions: pro-life.
Ever heard these pro-life idiots talk about the "sanctity of human life"? That is a first-class bullshit story right there. Christians aren't pro-life, neither do they believe in the "sanctity of human life". Look at what Christians have done throughout the ages:
1. Inquisitions
2. Crusades
3. And closer to the present: Andres Brevick
4. The persecution of African-Americans by the self-righteous, narcissistic, intolerable Protestant Christians who call themselves the Ku Klux Klan.
This was an interesting read, on how Santorum, the most actively & invasive Christian US president candidate, ignores the Catholic teachings that he claims to preach so well, on such big issues. There's nothing Christian about their views.
But personally, I think the gay debate is the biggest example. The people putting it forward are not Christians, they are discriminatory bastards, no other way to put it. Christi
People claim to be Christians when they aren't, Christians are of the same species as you and do have faults and there are liars among atheists and there are among Christians.
Why are you now looking for your support from the Holy Bible which clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Have you ever heard of rebuking. That's in the Bible.
You are wrong. God commands His disciples to go out and preach the Word. Christians are to be direct and bold to sinners. I am not judging, I am warning and rebuking. James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
God commands His disciples to go out and preach the Word.
Just to be clear are we talking old-testament God (he's much more fun) or the more hippy new testament God that favoured sending his son to be a desert itinerant, travelling the lands with a group of men.
Christians are to be direct and bold to sinners
You my friend are no Christian, you are a Jew that likes the popularity of Christianity, as in "Christ"-inanity, based on the word of Jesus, a man who never spoke out about homosexuality, and as I've previously pointed out to you, spread the word of God through tolerance and love
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
whosoever, includes all of God's people and that includes the homosexual, if they believe.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.Matthew 5:9
I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute youMatthew 5:44
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.Matthew 6:15
I am not judging, I am warning and rebuking.
You are judging, and you are insulting.
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
Does this state that you should use sin to convert sinners? I think not.
I am no Jew but if I were, I would love Jesus with all my heart just as many Jews do. Israel is God's promise land and there will be a New Jerusalem one day. Jesus said to never desecrate the temple as well and your body is a temple. I am spreading the Word as well as I can but some people need to hear boldness because they don't listen any other way. You are wrong, homosexuals who are still living in that sin - will be separated from God by their sin. I do love my enemies, do you? I am not insulting and if you feel that way, you are wrong. You clearly need to study that verse to get a better understanding.
We have to judge or else we will never know right from wrong. It is essential to judge.
This is as weak an argument as I've ever witnessed. Are you stating that for example a child that knows it shouldn't take cookies from the jar does so because they have judged the actions of "sinners".
I'm tired of having to prove everything, why don't you prove something for a change. Weak argument, not at all because you telling me I must prove everything when in your mind you don't have the same rules that you put on me?
If you don't believe in the Bible why post scripture of it?
Just because I don't believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God, doesn't mean that it has no value. I believe that a lot of what Jesus had to say, (or at least teachings that are attributed to him) to be good and worthy of notice.
Does this mean you are only supporting this filth to be accepted and cool???
Yea, you got me there Bubba, I'm a closet pseudo-Christian like you, but unlike you, I don't have the balls to come online and anonymously chastise innocent people like the brave little boy you are.
Yes, I know this because it's in the Bible. You destroy the spirit when you go against God's Word. When you have no fellowship with the Lord, evil sets in and you become corrupt just like this world.
You are way off topic here but I know the Bible is true because I have faith in my Jesus, firstly and foremost. Corruption is what you are a part of. You just need to check yourself and fix the problem. Now I am going to have to move on and tend to other people who have responded. Run along now and go do your homework.
So what is your point here? You did go off topic. Don't take it out on me because you are mad at yourself for supporting something so vile and evil - homosexuality. I told you that you have the option of being sensible and allowing God to move in your life.
My point is you are claiming it is bad based on nothing but faith.
I am debating, but it is clear you are not. You are simply being rude and argumentative, basically being a Troll.
I am sensible thanks, I was raised with your god, but I saw the world is full of conflicting religions that assume something and let nothing sway themselves from that, just like you are doing.
