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When they were both on equal ground? Maybe. But.....HE IS THE PRESIDENT NOW. He has to be held to a higher standard than everyone else who isn't in power. If people don't like how Hillary is why then applaud Trump acting THE SAME WAY when he is the leader of our country?!? Talk about backwards thinking.
The people who voted to put Trump into office did it explicitly because he promised to be a doosh to other nations, immigrants, non-Christians, non-conservatives, the whole of Washington, the media, and anyone kind or fair. He has a license to doosh.
Of course it is. You voted for her, and now want us to hate someone that is better than what you presented us with. What are you arguing about Con? Obamacare is still in place... No one's gonna die in the street while it's still in place... right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... You can't throw Obamacare under the bus for the piece of trash it is, but you can sure demand a replacement and trash it before you have even seen it. You're an ideologue.
You refuse to answer why 700 billion dollars in cuts to medicare, by democrats, would not create old people dying in the streets, as you said medicaid cuts, by republicans, would do.
Yup... DEM CONSERVATIVES is STOOPID, EBIL, ands wants peoples to dies in dem streets.
Listen, you stupid fuck... I owe you NOTHING.. You BAN me, and then demand I answer you??? You're FUCKED UP in the head..
So, here's the deal... We're DONE.. At every chance I get, I will call you every fucking name in the book.. You started something here that you don't know how to finish.. I can't wait.. I LOVE destroying you, you stupid shit..
Hey folks, the truth is finally coming out. Look at the real excon. Read his words!
He does not like it when people debate like he debates.
He creates debates telling us all how Republican medicaid cuts will cause poor people to die in the streets, but when I show him how Democrats cut 700 Billion from medicare, he refuses to explain why that did not cause old people to die in the streets.
So what we have here is a troll whose soul purpose is spewing Leftwing rhetoric but never actually explaining and defending his words.
You are now getting a taste of why I ban idiots who will spend their time trying to disrupt a debate. How does it feel having someone play with your debates and arguments?
I don't blame him for thinking this. If you ban people just because they are using foul language that's one thing, but you ban people for debating you and accuse them of spreading lies just because they are bringing another side to something. You don't get to demand answers from anyone if you ban them from debating then think they owe you a conversation.
You've threatened to ban me multiple times for disagreeing with you and I can guarantee if I acted towards you the way you have towards me and others (calling you a liar, random comments that are not even part of the debate, attacking character, name calling) you would have banned me already.
I think if we push aside everything but your points and actual evidence you are fun to talk to and I appreciate it when we can have a civil discussion but more and more you've fallen on ad hominem attacks.
Take the critique or leave it, no worries either way. I'm certainly far from perfect myself so it's time for more coffee and chatting. Cheers.
Yes I threatened to ban you, but somehow you usually stay civil and are not as big a deceptive person as the ones I put on auto ban.
If I supported killing even viable babies, and you called me names because of it, I would except it. If I deceived you when it comes to issues we speak to, I would accept being banned. I don't lie to people because what on earth is the point of lying to win a stupid debate argument? If you can't show the truth through being honest, then you have no truth.
I call people names who deny the inhumanity they support. I would call a slave owner names no matter if slavery were legal. I would call nazi's names, and I call No Restriction abortion supporters names.
If you cant live with that fact, then either ignore me or ban me. It matters not to me.
Sorry, I must go, it's time to call some deceptive supporters of No Restriction abortions names :) Cheers
I want you to first explain why Obamacare cutting 716 BILLION from medicare would not have old people dying in the streets, as you said would happen to poor people from the GOP cuts in medicaid.
Pursuant to your own links, Medicare was NOT cut.. Those who rely on it, can STILL rely on it.. The money came from Medicare Advantage .. It's PRIVATE insurance that people BUY. It fills in the 20% Medicare doesn't pay.. Nobody dies from having a co-pay.. Shall I repeat that?? NOBODY DIES FROM HAVING A CO-PAY.
Look.. This is simple shit.. If you'd get your nose out of Sean Hannitys ass or stop sucking Tucker Carlsons dick, you might KNOW that.. But, you're STUPID, RIGID, and a MOTHERFUCKER.
So in all of your deceptive logic, old people will not die because supposedly they will have money to buy the 20% of medicare that Democrats cut.
BUT OF COURSE WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR RHETORIC OF MEDICAID PEOPLE DYING IN THE STREETS, THEY WILL NOT HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE CUTS?
So you are saying that all old people have money to buy their own 20% private health insurance, but all other Americans on medicaid do not have money to pay for what was cut.
That's clear as mud!
So enlighten us, are their no low income old people who can not afford that additional 20% of private health insurnace?
Keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. Must be you missed it when they explained how lying about something leads to more lies and more lies until the day comes when everyone bans you.
That depends. Not all 716 billion cuts are the same.
Cutting 716 billion dollars when the ACA was put in place without any policy to address the shortfall. That would have killed poor people.
Cutting 716 billion dollars over a longer period of time; and not directly off medicare, but off payments to private companies that provide medicare coverage with higher rates of expense; but which still provide the mandated coverage (Effectively making hospitals, and insurance companies pay make up the short fall: addressing the issue that this plan was introduced to lower costs due to competition and hasn't), that may not kill people.
So, how many people may die depends on the nature of what was cut, when it was cut, and how it was cut.
Hence why I just asked:
Do you know what was cut, how was it cut, and when was it cut?
Funny how the left wing deceptive people on this site gave no such details of the medicaid cuts when they claimed people would be dying in the streets.
Funny how Republicans say it will not kill anyone. Go figure.
Who should we believe? The Leftwing liars on this site? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The truth of the matter is that probably no one will die from either, unless of course you are a viable late term baby because then your life is a matter of russian roulette.
For someone who shouts at the top of their voice how everyone on the left lies, you sure have a problem being honest.
You are wholly misrepresenting the argument, and the nature of the cuts.
Obamacare cuts are to private insurance Medicaid advantage. Not Medicare.
The republican cuts are to Medicare.
The reason people claim the republican plan will end up killing people, is because of how many people will lose insurance, not because of Medicaid cuts.
The cuts to Medicare are dangerous in their own right as it means that services or applicability will have to change.
You are confusing all these different arguments, purposefully, then claim the left are making argument that they aren't really making.
You said ..... "The cuts to Medicare are dangerous in their own right as it means that services or applicability will have to change."
Gee, why did you not say that the medicaid cuts are dangerous in their own right as it means that services or applicabilty will have to change.
So you give Democrats a pass for their cuts by saying that medicare services will have to change, but when it comes to GOP cuts, no such additional excuses and disclaimers.
PEOPE WILL BE DYING IN THE STREETS FROM THOSE EVIL REPUBLICANS, BUT THOSE DEMOCRATS ARE WONDERFUL COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE........ WELL EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THEY SUPPORT KILLING VIABLE BABIES FOR ANY REASON UP TO BIRTH.
But of course you will not speak about that inhumanity. It's only those uncompassionate Republicans who do not care for people.
Cuts in Medicare Advantage takes NOTHING away from Medicare patients... Medicaid, however, is the ONLY INSURANCE THESE PEOPLE HAVE.. If you take it away, they'll DIE IN THE STREETS..
Fools like you would say that before Obama allowed 15 million more people on food stamps, they would have been starving to death in the streets. THEY WERE NOT STARVING IN THE STREETS BEFORE OBAMA!
Before Obamacare added all these millions of people to the medicaid roles, you are saying people were dying in the streets? THEY WERE NOT BECAUSE EMERGENCY TREATMENT IS NEVER DENIED!
YOU TOTAL FOOL!
People actually had to pay for more of their own healthcare instead of buying expensive cell phones etc. etc. etc.
The Repubican plans wants lower income working Americans to pay more for their insurance instead of the free ride from socialist Democrats.
It seems that neither Facts, nor argument appear to get in your way repeating the same faulty logic and dishonest straw men.
As I pointed out:
The cuts of Obamacare are not to medicare and are not borne through services: but to the privatized portion that was supposed to bring costs down but didn't.
You ignored this.
I pointed out that the accusations of the proposed law leading to death is due to people losing their healthcare.
You still continue to pretend that the left are claiming it's the Medicare cuts that are the problem.
The actual Medicaid cuts proposed are too Medicaid: and will result in fewer services or smaller applicability whereas the Obamacare cuts did not: that's why this is a dangerous proposition.
You may find that logical explanation of why the two are different: a point that seems to have alluded you at least twice.
Now, stop ignoring the arguments in making, and stop repeating the same poor logic and dishonest strawmen.
What always aludes you and every pther leftwng iberal is the fact that MONEY DOES NOT GROW ON TREES!
WE ARE 20 TRILLION IN DEBT AND FOOLS LIKE YOU THINK WE CAN KEEP SPENDING MONEY WE DONT HAVE. WE CAN'T
Republicans understand we MUST START CUTTING BACK ON THE INSANE RATE OF GROWTH OF OUR SPENDING PROGRAMS! WE ARE GONG BANKRUPT!!!!!!!
The adults in the room understand we can not give everyone a free ride no matter how bleeding heart you are. Of course your so called compassion is never afforded viable babies. KILL THEM! DISMEMBER THEM! THEY ARE BURDENS!
You are pretending as if the effect of these two cuts are the same: they are not.
You are pretending that the left only points to the cuts as "killing people": they do not.
Those are three demonstrable falsehoods that you have asserted without any significant argument or evidence; repeated despite my explanations of how they are dishonest.
You haven't bothered to defend any of this, and instead seem to have been triggered by my unwillingness to let your lies go unchallenged.
So, you have given up the argument now, and completely change
The subject pretend that it's all about fiscal responsibility.
Sure, the US needs to reduce the deficit a bit, not as much as you imply given basic principles of economics. Unfortunately, I don't agree with you tht the healthcare of the poor, disabled and old is the first place to look for savings.
If a person is sick and you take away their insurance, they'll DIE IN THE STREETS...
Oh, I know.. Right wing MYTH has it that those people can always get treated at the ER.. But, if you've paid attention, which you haven't, you'd KNOW that the ER does NOT TREAT ILLNESS.. Lemme say that again.. If you HAVE cancer and you go to the ER, they will NOT GIVE YOU CHEMO, and you'll DIE IN THE STREET.. If you have a brain tumor and go to the ER, they will NOT treat your tumor and you'll DIE ON THE STREET..
Just so you're aware of how basic logic and arguments work:
When I call someone, like you, dishonest: which you are. I explain what you said, what it is about what you said that was dishonest, and explain the nature of your poor logic, misrepresentation or strawman.
When you call someone, like me, dishonest: you simply write in caps how dishonest I am and call me a bunch of names.
So, when you want to talk about dishonest, and hypocrisy: I would start there.
Just so you are aware of how basic logic and arguments work:
When I call you inhumam, I do so with facts. Those facts are based on the evidence that when you vote for a radical pro abortion Democrat, you are fully aware that you are keeping no restriction abortions legal.
If people told the Democrat Prty they would not vote for them until they compromise with the GOP, Democrats would in a heart beat stop the inhumanity of killing viable babies for any reason. You have complete control of those lives with your vote!
Now i realize that you are dishonest and will never admit what you support, because you have refused to admit it many many many times.
That is no different than a person voting for a pro slavery politician and then denying he supports slavery.
Now pelase do what you alwys do and explan how I am not debating properly, and thereby once again refusing to address what I just said about the facts of your inhumanity and what you support.
ROFLOL, absolutely refusing to address your inhumanity when you support killing iable babies! I will never respond to another of your posts until you address supporting this inhumanity.
I just called you out for your own dishonesty, repeated untruths, and strawmen. You don't try and defend your position; but instead try and change the subject.
Perhaps you should not be part of this site; it seems that joining CreateRantWithoutAnyArgumentPresented.com would be a better site for you.
ROFLOL, absolutely refusing to address your inhumanity when you support killing iable babies
I have actually address this multiple times; you have either ignored it (like you ignore the rest of my arguments), or changed the subject with the same sort of all-caps argument-free rant as you have before.
I don't think a 2-3 inch long collection of cells that has no personality, consciousness, and doesn't feel pain deserves rights that would lead to significant harm to the emotional and social well being of an actual living breathing human.
I certainly do not think that forcing a woman who does not want to, to go through life altering events is sufficiently minor to warrant her ending her pregnancy.
That you claim that I support killing babies, is not just dishonest: it's the type of hate-filled rhetoric that you blame on the left.
The rest of your anti-abortion rants about Democrats and the left generally involve you repeatedly lying about the positions democrats and the left actually take, repeatedly lying about their motivations, and pretending as if the right wing are some how angels; repeatedly ignoring that the Abortion rights even you appear to support are fundamentally under attack at every turn by the right wing:
Not least of which is the fundamental nature of birth control such as the Pill, or the Morning after pill: both of which are opposed by Christian groups and many republicans because of the idea that not allowing a few dozen cells to attach to the uterus is somehow murder.
So no. I have explained the above before. What you're doing is not just unhelpful, the disgraceful hatred and rhetoric you're using, together with the outright lies and dishonesty you repeatedly peddle are evidence that you are disinterested in anything but simply trying to attack people that disagree with you.
Even so, this is you changing the subject yet again. Are you incapable of defending your position? Do you just want to sit here and attack, attack, attack, call people names, and never address your own failures of logic? You can do that if you want.
It just seems rather pathetic for a grown man to be sitting here on a debate website, yelling angrily at people in all caps, changing the subject and deflecting any attempt by someone to challenge or converse, and providing little justification for anything they say; all while trying to "punish" people by consistently down-voting people who simply express disagreement; or out-right banning people who say things you don't like.
Do you think this is a good use of your life? Or your time?
I've yet to see Foam -Within present a valid argument on any topic and I've come to the conclusion he's actually insane .
The guy is obsessed with abortion and has yet to back any of his ridiculous claims up with anything regarding a coherent argument ; he's not here to debate , he just wants to rant and vent his anger on anyone who takes his bait .
Of course he's not here to debate. That was obvious from day 1. It does seem to just be hate-filled rant and rhetoric.
But you can't dismiss people like that (Or Brontoraptor for that matter), because there's an aweful lot of people on the right wing like that; and not challenging them is dangerous to democracy.
That's a fair point , I guess I have not the same patience as you ,Foam banned me from all his debates and I got sick and tired of the constant bickering
I can completely understand that. I just work under the assumption that either he doesn't know what he's doing, in which case he could likely be persuaded or convinced eventually, or he does know what he's doing, in which case the frustrating stupidity is being done on purpose to make you angry: either way it makes it easier to brush off the frustration!
I speak to the Democrat support of killing VIABLE LATE TERM BABIES FOR ANY REASON UP TO BIRTH and as always you hideous deceptive fools talk about a collection of cells.
Why are you on a debate site? Are you a child playing pranks on people? You are asked a direct question and you purposely deceive by talkinbg about a clump of cells.
Are you typing from a hospital for the mentally ill?
You are a deceptive liar so what on earth good does it do to deceive people to try and win arguments. Any argument won by being deceptive is a joke. Are you so insecure that you waste your time trying to deceive people to feed your ego?
Like I said... IGNORE THE DECEPTIVE FOOLS ON THIS SITE!
Just for your information, when you spend the majority of your posts throwing insults, and caps lock rants; rather than responding to anything said, it gives the impression to me, and anyone watching that you do not have the ability to respond to my arguments.
I think I did a good job going through and pointing out every place in which you were wrong, and all you're doing now is simply shouting angrily at me like the homeless person on a street corner that everyone tries to avoid.
I speak to the Democrat support of killing VIABLE LATE TERM BABIES FOR ANY REASON UP TO BIRTH
I know that's what you're speaking. I acknowledge that is what your argument was in one of my previous rounds.
Unfortunately, that argument is a flagrantly dishonest out-right lie.
But feel free to act like a petulant snowflake: unable to mentally cope with people disagreeing with them, and lacking the intellectual tools to craft a suitable reply; and thus throwing your toys out of the pram.
As I pointed out; you have lied multiple times in this thread. Thus far you have ignored every single one of my arguments, and simply resorted to the internet equivalent at throwing your faeces at people.
Feel free at any point to take a deep breath, and go take a look at the arguments I posted; if you want to actually make an argument, or justify your positions like a grown up rather than calling me names and down-voting what you can't cope with; I will be here ready to engage with you.
Every time you hide behind down-voting an argument, instead of defending your position, and every time you hurl an insult instead of explaining why what someone has said is illogical or unreasonable; you look like an incoherent fool who is unable justify their own opinion.
I find the down-votes pretty hillarious! I can imagine you furiously typing angrily on your keyboard, shouting at a person who dares to disagree with you through the internetz.
Lets summarize:
You made a dishonest claim about Obamacare medicaid cuts.
It has been repeatedly pointed out that what is being cut is different, the effects and impact of the cut are different, and the justification for the cuts are different.
You ignored this, and simply descended into rants about how dishonest we are.
I also pointed out that the medicaid cuts themselves aren't why people think the republican Healthcare bill will leave people dying in the streets: it's more because of the reduced number of people on Medicaid and on insurance.
You ignored this too.
In fact, you have kept pretending throughout as if no one had made this argument.
You tried to change the subject, opining about the budget deficit and how we need to save money:
I agreed, but pointed out that saving money by targeting poor and infirm peoples healthcare is not a great place to start.
You ignored that.
You then changed the subject again to Abortion; subtly implying that it's okay for republicans to kill people through removing their healthcare because democrats kill babies.
As I pointed out, that's disingenuous.
So my question to you is this:
How on earth can you repeatedly ignore my argument; constantly distort key facts, change the subject away from where the argument is, and decide not to justify or defend your position at all, and claim that I am dishonest?
Now come on, let's not compare apples and oranges here. It's a typical dishonest leftist trick to try and act as if the behaviour of Hillary Clinton, a fully grown, mature adult, is comparable with the dooshy behaviour of Donald Trump, an orange infant.
