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Christmas Holiday
Debate Score:46
Arguments:36
Total Votes:51
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Is it a Christmas tree or a Holiday tree?

So, what do you guys think? Is it a Christmas tree, like when any Christan grows up, or is it Holiday, like they call it in the gov.

 

 

 

 

 

Christmas

Side Score: 28
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Holiday

Side Score: 18
2 points

Because the Christmas tree was invented for Christmas, it is a Christmas tree; however, if you do not celebrate Christmas and have a tree, it is a Holiday Tree. The question asked was not very clear.

Side: Christmas
Cuaroc(8840) Disputed
1 point

Because the Christmas tree was invented for Christmas,

Actually it was invented for a pagan holiday that the Christians copied.

Side: Holiday
kozlov(1755) Disputed
1 point

The name of the tree fits the holiday it celebrates. It is a Christmas tree if you celebrate Christmas.

Side: Christmas
burnjuan(59) Disputed
1 point

The "christmas" tree is from the pagan practice of bringing an evergreen bough into the house to symbolize the continuation of life even during the dark and cold months of winter. The practice was "adopted" by christians in order to help convert the pagans to christianity.

Side: Holiday
kozlov(1755) Clarified
1 point

Yes, but it is what the tree symbolizes, and the Christmas Tree is for Christmas, a Yule Tree is for Yule and so on, so forth, and such like.

Side: Christmas
2 points

It's not a Christnas or Holiday Tree its a Solstice Tree.

Side: Christmas
2 points

Christmas, of course but I had a Jewish friend who would put one up and decorate it with blue lights and he called it a Hanukkah Bush

Side: Christmas

Christmas tree because the intentions of the tree is for Christianity.

Side: Christmas
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
0 points

No it's not it's a Pagan tradition that dates back to long before Christ when every year at the on set of Winter people would bring a tree into their homes the Christians just hi-jacked it

Side: Holiday
2 points

The debate isn't about the origins of the tree used for decoration but the appropriate usage for contemporary times, and it is Christmas.

Side: Christmas

Call it a Christmas tree, hannacha tree, or seasonal tree. Whatever. But "holiday tree" just doesn't sound right to me.

Side: Christmas
2 points

christmas tree because we're celebrating the birth of christ

Side: Christmas
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

Not everyone is celebrating the birth of Christ the correct name for the Holiday is the Winter Solstice

Side: Holiday
1 point

It's a Christmas tree, since it's for, y'know, Christmas.

A 'holiday tree' is just used so that they don't piss off all their voters.

Side: Christmas
1 point

I think it's christmas tree because that is already our tradition. No one in our country,where I came from, calls it holiday tree. We dont usually bring out the tree in the middle of new year, do we? Neither we bring it in the middle of summer.. summer is a holiday for us.. So, I dont get why people call it holiday tree when clearly, the tree is not used for summer.

Side: Christmas
1 point

Or just call it what it is... a dying fir tree.

To make things clear- the tree for yule is the OAK.

Side: Christmas

Since I know its CHRISTMAS TREE, its christmas tree. No doubt

Side: Christmas

Well I celebrate Christmas we get a tree. We don't celebrate Christ's birth, in fact most people now a days don't even know that that's what it's about.

The tree is a tradition for Christmas that I think is unique to Christmas, and other religions don't do it. I don't do a Christmas dreidel, or a Christmas menorah.

I have never heard it called a Holiday Tree, I only ever hear Christmas tree. I do hear Holiday Season more that I hear Christmas season.

The reason is to be politically correct and not to offend the people who don't celebrate Christmas but since the tree is only used for Christmas it's probably a Christmas tree.

Side: Christmas

It is a Christmas tree to me. Now, if someone wants to call it a Holiday tree, let them call it that name.

Side: Christmas
1 point

I don't care either way, but let's call a spade a spade - for me it's a Christmas tree.

Does that mean I get mad at people who try to use the other label to try to not be exclusionary or religious themed? Not at all.

Holidays are holidays, a reason for people to be good to each other. Just be glad they're willing to celebrate it instead of shutting it down and out.

Side: Christmas
5 points

I always thought they were called Pine Trees? ;)

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Side: Holiday
nummi(1435) Disputed
1 point

Wtf??? Why would someone, anyone upvote this?

Fir is the Christmas tree. Pine trees are something entirely different although similar. Pines tend to require far more sunlight while firs can grow right under them.

Side: Christmas
1 point

I believe the proper term is Yule Tree.

Side: Holiday
Elvira(3445) Disputed
1 point

Meh, wrong button.

Side: Christmas
1 point

Yule trees are oak trees.

Side: Holiday
1 point

Which is why i didn't make it an absolutists statement.

Side: Holiday

It's whatever the hell the family revelers of the holiday want to call it.

The 'War on Christmas' is bad joke.

You have the freedom to celebrate Christmas however you want to. Forcing other people to celebrate it like you do is absurdly rude. Claiming that there's a 'war' on the holiday because the government likes to accommodate more people then just Christians in their terminology is one of the stupidest, most prissy things I've ever lived to witness.

Side: Holiday
wardogninja(1789) Clarified
1 point

If christmas is to be considered a national holiday, than why not just continue to call it s christmas tree?

Side: Christmas
chatturgha(1630) Clarified
1 point

Because people can celebrate Christmas however they want in this country. That is what freedom of religion is. It's nationally called 'Christmas', but it's not enforced that everyone celebrate as literally Christmas, the Catholic restructuring of the Roman holiday of Saturnalia. In fact, it's encouraged that everyone celebrate the national holiday of 'Christmas', however they want to celebrate it, even if that's as a different holiday, or as 'Christmas', but in a different way then the original Catholic restructuring of Saturnalia.

So, it's not about being practical, and just calling it a Christmas Tree because it's Christmas. It's about letting people choose to call it whatever they want to call it, and have the right to be upset when someone tells them they are wrong to not call it a Christmas Tree... because this is America, and they're allowed to do that. Nor should culture tell them they shouldn't be allowed to do that (at least, if culture wants to not be hypocritical).

Side: Christmas
kozlov(1755) Disputed
1 point

I completely agree that it is very rude to force someone to celebrate a holiday that they do not want to. However, the holiday is called Christmas. If everyone just called every holiday: Holiday, then there would be complete confusion.

Side: Christmas
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
1 point

However, the holiday is called Christmas. If everyone just called every holiday: Holiday, then there would be complete confusion.

And... your point? You'd be correct to point out that everyone just saying 'holidays' during a national holiday might be confusing, but you fail to explain how that has any connection to anything I said... because all I said that was that people can call a holiday they celebrate whatever they want, and call objects of what they celebrate whatever they want. I didn't say that everyone should say 'happy holidays', I said that people can say 'happy holidays' if they damn so please, just as anyone can say 'Merry Christmas' or 'Merry Kwanzaa' if they damn so please.

Shit, random people can say 'Good tidings of St. Cuthbert onto you' and there would be nothing wrong with it. Given, it might confuse others they say it to, but that doesn't matter because people have freedom of religion in this country and can celebrate the national holiday of Christmas however they want (because the nature of a 'national' holiday is to be 'nationally' celebrated, and on a 'national' level, not everyone is Christian, nor does everyone want to celebrate Christmas in a classically Christian manner, or celebrate Christmas at all).

So, if people want to say things that confuse others, so what? If you're confused, you can politely ask for clarification to your confusion... not attempt to force the individual to celebrate Christmas how you do so you know they are celebrating the same idea you are (since winter solstice celebrations are basically the same thing, contextually, no matter what religion you are apart of).

EDIT: By the way, are you the one that downvoted me? I'm going to downvote you, at least for now. But if you aren't the one that downvoted me, I will undo my downvote against you. So if you reply to this argument, make sure you tell me if you were the one that downvoted my argument or not.

Side: Holiday
1 point

The tradition was stolen from pagan practices. There is really nothing about "christmas" that is christian. So, tell me what the hell does a tree have to do with christianity?

Side: Holiday
1 point

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Side: Holiday