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Debate Score:67
Arguments:59
Total Votes:77
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Is it ethical to eat meat?

Is the consumption of animal flesh justified? Do we need meat to fulfill our daily needs?

Yes

Side Score: 51
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No

Side Score: 16
5 points

Mankind evolved as ''hunter gathers'' and the ability to eat both meat and plants has contributed significantly towards the human species becoming dominant to all others.

Many scientists assert that by eating meat man was released from the having to spend most of his time eating plants to obtain the essential nutrients necessary to stay alive and could therefore become more involved in other pursuits leading to the development of a superior brain.

Why don't the sanctimonious vegetarians or vegans go to Africa (where many millions have to eat meat either to supplement their cereal diet or, when their crops fail have to eat meat to stay alive), that they must die of starvation rather than eat meat.

There is no logic or rational argument against eating meat and that is probably why the loonie left are heavily engaged in trying to ram their unnatural dietary habits and misguided moral bullshit onto others.

Side: Yes
2 points

It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man ..

but what proceeds out of the mouth . . .

this defiles the man ... Matthew 15:11

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
2 points

Um what does a bible quote have anything to do with this? If you are going to use the Bible as a reference though it instructs you to not eat pork which is a meat. But that is religious and not ethical. Also I disagree with what you are saying in regards to the verse. What ever happened to "Actions speak louder than words"? And if I curse once that is what will define me, not the fact that I could of saved a child or served my country?

Side: No
5 points

You don't understand the Bible or haven't studied it. The commands of the Old Testament were given to Jews. Jesus' commands of the New Testament were given to Gentiles. We aren't Jews, nor do we live under the old covenant. That's why Christians eat pork.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
2 points

Bible has nothing to do with taking down wild game for consumption

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

His point was that your actions and attitudes are what makes you unrighteous, what you eat does not make you righteous or unrighteous, it's just food. Have a cheeseburger.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

what are you arguing in favor of? death ?

Side: Yes
1 point

Well said.

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Side: No

If humans weren't meant to eat meat, why do you have K9 teeth, just for giggles?

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

We have molers and were originally meant to eat plants as we don't have any physical capability of catching animals. We have to trap them and then kill them. Also if you look at carnivores they have all sharp teeth, can chase down prey at high speeds, claws, venom and camouflage. Not all of them have all of those attributes.

Side: No
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
2 points

Man was meant to catch animals not kill them for the meat those animals provided ?

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
2 points

You Leftist don't know what you say.

"we don't have any physical capability of catching animals. We have to trap them and then kill them"

LMMFAO

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

We don't have physical capability of catching animals? You're sitting still playing with electronics......go fishing or climb a tree or something; work up an appetite and then have a cheeseburger and thank God for the meat.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

molars..........a moler would be a person who digs up moles to eat them

Side: Yes
2 points

Why not do you have a problem with eating meat ?????????????????????????????

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

Lying about what? All i saw was that meat production is up and down depending on if they are eating in and out and different statistics on weight.

Side: No
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

So meat consumption does take place in the UK whether it is ethical or not !

Side: Yes

Is it ethical to eat living vegetables? Of course it is. That's how you live. *

Side: Yes
1 point

So where you at Leftist you can't defend your point ? Run and Hide is your tactic ?

Side: Yes
1 point

Humans need 23 amino acids and 8 of them can't be produced by our body itself so for that we need food and none of the vegetables provides us all of them its just meat that can provide all of them. You may have seen some animals that can only eat grass etc and some can eat only meat and both these types got different kinds of teeth meant for different purposes isn't it...well it is. So the humans have both kinds of teeth meant for both the purposes. Our digestive is another type of proof that we should eat meat...coz it can digest meat....while herbivorous animals can't....

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

I would have to disagree with you on that... how can vegans still be alive if they don't get all the nutrients they need through plant based foods? Also our ancestors might of needed sharp teeth and molers for, oh i don't know... Self defense! Also you obviously didn't look at a diagram of our intestines compared to a herbivores or carnivores did you. ours looks more like an herbivores than a carnivores and to add. People who base there diet on meat have a higher chance of being obese and overweight than a person that is vegetarian or Vegan. Have you ever seen a vegan that is obese? I surly haven't.

Side: No
1 point

Humans are clearly made to eat meat. We're physically structured to be able to eat meat. Not only do we have canines but our digestive system is fully capable and prepared to digest meat. So why go against nature? It's an important component of our diet. If u don't like the taste how about instead forcing your opinion on others you don't eat it?

The only argument vegans have against meat eaters is that animals feel pain. And I have to agree with that to some extent. They can feel physical pain but there are ways to slaughter them painlessly. But the way most slaughterhouses treat animals is down right ridiculous. I'm not against eating meat but we Shud atleast treat the animals with care.

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

Have you read anything I have said? Have you researched any of my talking points? Unless you can bring forth proof to disprove mine then don't speak. Also forcing my opinion? Um hello I'm not yelling and screaming like a libtard demanding that no one eat meat. I'm stating my argument about why our bodies simply weren't made for eating meat. Sorry for the late response I recently moved and celebrated the 4th of July.

Side: No
1 point

Humans are clearly made to eat meat. We're physically structured to be able to eat meat. Not only do we have canines but our digestive system is fully capable and prepared to digest meat. So why go against nature? It's an important component of our diet. If u don't like the taste how about instead forcing your opinion on others you don't eat it?

The only argument vegans have against meat eaters is that animals feel pain. And I have to agree with that to some extent. They can feel physical pain but there are ways to slaughter them painlessly. But the way most slaughterhouses treat animals is down right ridiculous. I'm not against eating meat but we Shud atleast treat the animals with care.

Side: Yes
1 point

Make no mistake, those chicken nuggets would gladly stampede my little boys and peck them down to their bones if we didn't cook and eat them first. It's us or them.

OK, to be more serious.

1) Homo sapiens are omnivorous, as demonstrated by both our teeth and our history. It is not ethically wrong for an omnivore to eat meat. It might be if they ONLY ate meat, and it even still might be if they eat TOO MUCH meat, but not simply for the sake of eating some meat.

2) The story of all life on this planet is eat or be eaten. From the tiniest microbes to all the life in the ocean to all the life on the land.

3) We can frown (with good reason) on some of the sick and twisted practices of the food industry, but that does not in and of itself mean it's unethical to eat meat. Practices can be changed.

4) Before you romanticize the beauty and passivity of plants please remember they themselves are in a constant war for dirt, water, and sunlight. They choke and climb over each other, steal others' light, conduct chemical warfare, carpet bomb with their seeds, etc. As a gardener dealing with weeds and insects and fungi etc I can declare from experience that the plant world is just as cut throat as the carnivorous world. You just don't see it as obviously because as a mobile animal you're immune to most of that war. Yet, do you realize the percentage of the plant kingdom you are physically able to eat without getting sick is just a teeny tiny sliver of it? Because even YOU are a predator to those plants and many evolved ways to make you sick or kill you just so you don't eat them. The domesticated plants we farm are not all that different from the domesticated animals we farm, they just can't get up and move around.

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

Um, can plants consciously decide where they move there roots and where there seed lands? Yes and No Wind and different probabilities change circumstances. Plants automatically grow up and roots down to find water and sunlight because there DNA tells them too. They have a partial concious choice. Also yes they may choke out and kill others but since when has no species killed another for food and survival. Homo sapiens have canines to kill potential predators not to eat with. And i am going to tell you what I have told the last guy. If you can't debunk it prove my previous statements wrong then you can't be trying to tell me I'm wrong. Also you quite obviously didn't read anything about our digestive system that I mentioned in a previous comment. Also sorry for the late comment I recently moved and had friends over for the 4th of July.

Side: No
1 point

Yes, we do need to eat meat, at least in nature. Meat contains the proteins we need to sustain our energy. Being exclusively vegetarian is a modern-day choice as we have much greater access to protein supplements, mycoproteins and beans and lentils that may not grow in our part of the world.

Humans are by nature omnivorous; they derive certain nutrients from plants, while things like proteins come from other animals.

Onto the question of is it ethical.

I don't think it's ethical to eat meat that's been reared in inhumane conditions, such as chickens that have been kept in cages, birds that have been force-fed (foie gras) or calves that have been locked away in sheds and deprived of maternal contact (veal).

Free range animals and wild animals that have been hunted are more ethical as they have had a better quality of life.

However, those of us who eat a lot of meat should also consider the destructive force that cattle rearing etc. has on the environment, e.g. deforestation to make way for poor quality pasture.

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Clarified
1 point

I agree with you on all but one thing. I don't know why people keep saying we "need" meat in order to get protein. There are plenty of plants out there that provide protien. Now I will agree that it isn't as dense in plants as it is in animals but you can still get it nontheless.

Side: Yes
0 points

Animals feel pain. Plants don't at least on a conscious level. Animals also understand a lot more than you think. So no It is not ethical. Also genetically we are herbivores as we have molers meant for grinding leaves and plants not meat.

Side: No
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Some good venison on the grill is a problem ??????? How about a nice rack of pork ribs ??????

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

If man was not meant to eat meat then why did Native Americans hunt buffalo ?????

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Clarified
1 point

Depending on if you believe in evolution or not... In our original form we were unable to hunt. We could only eat fruits, vegetables and leaves. We aren't made or born with the natural tools to hunt like speed or claws. We used our brain to outsmart and trap animals for consumption. Our ancestors teeth weren't made for tearing out huge hunks of hide and meat from animals. Also Native Americans 1. Aren't native(No one is) and 2. they were only here for 13000 years give or take not several million. You Using Native Americans as an example is just about as good as using Europeans at the same time period. Go back 5 million years(A very small period of time in geologic history) and you won't see our ancestors using arrowheads or spears. We were genetically made for plant eating not meat eating.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

Aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake.

When did tomato plants become conscious in your world ??????

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

um they react to there environment correct? So they respond to there surroundings.

Side: No
LichPotato(362) Disputed
1 point

"Animals feel pain. Plants don't at least on a conscious level. Animals also understand a lot more than you think. So no It is not ethical."

How does the fact that animals are capable of feeling pain invalidate the ethicality of any consumption of meat? From what I understand, slaughtering can be quick and almost painless.

"Also genetically we are herbivores as we have molers meant for grinding leaves and plants not meat."

Interestingly, we also have canines and incisors, which are meant for tearing meat. That's why humans are classified as "omnivorous"; because they're built for both (although one does require both fat and protein to survive: the nervous system requires the former to maintain itself, and the latter is, among other things, a key component in muscle growth). How, exactly, does that make us "genetically herbivores"? If consuming meat were inherently alien to our biology, why do we naturally require it to survive?

Side: Yes
Nocht(24) Disputed
1 point

We don't naturally need it to survive! How did our ancestors even live then if they "needed" it. Vegans also survive today without eating anything from an animal and they are perfectly healthy even more so than people that base there diet on meat. Also our ancestors might of needed teeth for oh you know... self defense! Also if you look up "Plants with Protein" or "Plants with Calcium" You will see a long list of them. Also if you look at our intestines you will see that they relate to herbivores intestines more than a carnivores.

Side: No
Grenache(6103) Disputed
1 point

Genetically we are omnivorous. We have teeth for multiple purposes for a reason. Granted many of us opt too much for meat, but meat is still on the menu even if we opt for more plants.

This whole argument reminds me of celebrities who only feed their pet dog vegetarian dog food. It's a dog. It evolved to eat primarily meat. Let it eat meat. It is not ethically wrong for a dog to eat meat, nor is it ethically wrong for an omnivore to eat meat.

Side: Yes