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Is it possible that Derek Chauvin might be acquitted. Are you for, or against it, and why.
As the days continue to drag on, it's growing ever more possible that Derek Chauvin may be acquitted, or at the very worst there may even be a mistrial, especially with what is going on during the current trial.
We've seen the city release a massive settlement to Floyd's family, a move that the Judge worried would taint the Jury, and even lead to several of the jurors being removed.
Now we have either individual citizens doing their best to get as much of the juror's personal information. As well as some news organizations that are doing their best to reveal as much of that same personal information as they can.
This is compounded with the fact that we have people coming out, and espousing that Chauvin should not even have been allowed a trial. While most of the city itself is just worried about what would happen, if the trial doesn't go the way that the a activist want it to. Causing them to become violent, and threaten the city even more than they already have.
I waited until the full footage came out before taking a side on this. I'm pretty damn sure this was Floyd overdosing while in custody, and not a policeman murdering him.
The pronounced cause of death is ridiculous. Something like 'heart failure caused by cops'. So, the heart failure part is an objetive claim. No neck bruising so bloodflow not significantly restricted, and you can see the guy breathing before and after he passed out, so he wasn't choked to death as we were told by the media. This "I can't breathe" as he's frantically panting is clearly him panicking as his heart fails on him.
So did the cops scare him into heart failure? Or was it the 4x lethal fentanyl dose + meth? Is America a nation of morons? But I guess the title 'man kills himself as he eats his stash in a panic to hide it from cops' isn't a story whereas 'black man murdered by white cop' is. God America is disgusting these days. These leftist racists need to go, and take their 'racial awakening' with them.
More details are coming out in the case that seem to support this too. Derek and the other cops didn't seem to be doing anything wrong, I don't even think they should have been fired, I don't know what more I would do in that situation. So yeah, I think what's happened already is a complete miscarriage of justice. Acquittal would be great, if not for the leftist BLM mob that would riot and burn down the city if he got off free, and some of the jury information is public. So I think even if the Jury were somehow initially unbiased, they'd probably just vote guilty for their own safety if nothing else.
Beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the legal standard for conviction. If Floyd had exceedingly lethal levels of a highly dangerous opioid in his blood at the time of death, it's reasonable to think that may be what killed him.
That's true. Which is why a hung jury seems fairly likely right now. Had there not been mass attention on this case, a jury would probably have acquitted.
Because the public had mobile phone cameras to capture a scene that perfectly fits a predetermined narrative about police and black people in America.
The outrage is not terribly dependent on the material facts. For example, the material facts of the Daniel Shaver case would have caused similar social unrest had the immaterial facts (namely his race) been different.
No dumbass, that's my evidence for why there is mass outrage. You literally just asked that question and got a response to it. It was not a response to a different question.
Of course not. But just as a perfectly accurate eyewitness can only give their perspective, so can a camera. A video can't show autopsy results indicating a drug overdose as cause of death. An overdose which would cause a person to experience respiratory distress by the way.
If Floyd had exceedingly lethal levels of a highly dangerous opioid in his blood at the time of death, it's reasonable to think that may be what killed him.
Hello A:
Uhhh, not really.. In term of opiods, when people take lethal levels of them, they DIE, immediately.. That's what lethal means. You don't dance around in line at Cup Foods. You DIE, like RIGHT NOW, face first, in the dirt..
If you take drugs exceeding the lethal amount, you'd be exceedingly dead.
Your description of how a person dies from an overdose is not accurate. Your description that they die is accurate. Floyd is dead.
When people consume heroin or synthetic opiodes such as fentanyl, how they consume it matters. An veinous injection is going to have a much quicker effect, though not an instantaneous one (emergency crews can still use narcan). If it's swallowed (something Floyd has been known to do during police contacts), it is absorbed more slowly.
It's very easy to view the official autopsy report, including toxicology. I saw you linked to CNN who didn't link to the independent results. Primary sources would help if you've got them.
Experts hired by George Floyd's family and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner have concluded his death was a homicide, but they differ on what caused it.
That's what CNN said, but big surprise, that's not what the primary source for Hennepin says. I can't find the primary source for the independent autopsy. Which is too bad because I found the primary source for Hennepin and it doesn't say the word homicide. Can you do better than second rate secondary sources?
And if it did, that wouldn't eliminate the possibility of a drug overdose homicide
Yes it would.
The independent examiner said he died from "asphyxiation from sustained pressure", and the county medical examiner said he died from, "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
Dr. Michael Baden, one of the independent medical examiners, said "there is no other health issue that could cause or contribute to the death."
Shut your idiot mouth. I've watched you for six hours today trying to distort a homicide into a drug overdose.
No kidding? The doctor hired by the Floyd family said there is no way that lethal levels of fentanyl could have contributed to his death? All while not releasing their report? Huh.
So did the cops scare him into heart failure? Or was it the 4x lethal fentanyl dose + meth? Is America a nation of morons?
Hello N:
If he had 4x lethal dose of fentanyl, he woulda dropped dead. He didn't.. In fact, just moments before the cops killed him, he can be seen dancing a jig in Cup Foods.. That's NOT what a guy does right before he drops dead of an overdose.
But, even if you conclude that he was stoned, you'd have to conclude that the drugs were the SUBSTANTIAL CAUSE of his death.. Looks to me, like the substantial cause of Floyd's death, was a knee on his neck for 9.5 minutes.
I capitalized the words SUBSTANTIAL CAUSE, because that's the LEGAL standard used when considering guilt or innocence of 2nd degree murder.
If he had 4x lethal dose of fentanyl, he woulda dropped dead. He didn't.. So the autopsy report is lying?
In fact, just moments before the cops killed him, he can be seen dancing a jig in Cup Foods.. That's NOT what a guy does right before he drops dead of an overdose.
That was before the cops arrived or even the counterfit bill. And yeah, he was high as hell, but not overdosing. However when the cops went up to the car it looks like Floyd may have swallowed more drugs to hide them.
Going over the lethal fentanyl dose is undoubtedly substantial cause.
If he had 4x lethal dose of fentanyl, he woulda dropped dead. He didn't.. So the autopsy report is lying?
Hello again, N:
I dunno who's lying and who's not.. I just understand what a lethal dose is.. Certainly, I understand what 4 times the lethal dose is. Why doesn't he say 100 times the lethal dose? Why doesn't he say 1,000 times the lethal dose???
I'll tell you why.. Because a SINGLE lethal dose would have killed him long BEFORE he ever got to Cup Foods. That's what lethal means. To say that he had 4 times the amount that WOULD have killed him IN in his system, and then to see him VERY MUCH alive dancing around in Cup Foods, tells me that neither that quack or you knows what the word lethal means..
Did you even read what I said? In the footage he puts something in his mouth. He probably swallowed the drugs to hide them from the police.
Actually I'm unable to verify the 4x lethal dose part. It's difficult to know when the drug is mixed. But I found this - "He said, “that’s pretty high.” This level of fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema. Mr. Floyd’s lungs were 2-3x their normal weight at autopsy. That is fatal level offentanyl under normal circumstances."
There was a statement about Floyd having some sort of tablet still on his tongue, when the police started to detain him. Just not sure when that all started to snowball downhill.
@Nomturtle;- Whist I agree with you whole heartedly on your overall sentiments about the dominant position the lefties and woke loonies have established I would comment that as there is still evidence to be presented from both the defense and the prosecution no definitive judgement can be reached at this stage.
Until the due process of law is deemed by the judge to be completed your expressed opinion should be qualified with the acknowledgement that your statement is an interim appraisal of the case based on the incomplete presentation of the evidence.
Being mindful of the aforementioned reservations I am of the opinion that there is little doubt that Floyd was high on drugs and, as the security video clearly showed, this led to him unashamedly and overtly stealing from the store whose manager called the police.
His erratic and uncooperative conduct with the police would validate this evaluation of his crazed state of mind.
However, all the attending police officers, but Chauvin in particular, should have allowed for the suspect's drug induced psychological condition and acted with additional attention to his physical well-being.
Chauvin sat with his knee on Floyd's neck while he,(Floyd) begged for release from the restraining hold which was killing him.
These pleas fell on deaf ears and the suspect died from asphyxiation.
At this stage of only partial evidence to go on I would conclude that at best Chauvin is guilty of criminal negligence/incompetence and at worst willful murder.
Until the due process of law is deemed by the judge
That's a fair standard for an 'objective' determination. What I wrote is obviously opinion.
the restraining hold which was killing him.
This has yet to be determined.
the suspect died from asphyxiation.
No he didn't, I mentioned this earlier. The Hennepin autopsy report said it was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression". This is a form of heart failure.
"Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature." - There was no bruising, blood flow to his brain wasn't blocked.
"The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is
symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage." - His neck and throat were comepletely undamaged.
Furthermore you can see Floyd breathing before and after he passes out, roughly up until the police can't find his pulse; his airway was not blocked.
So if the blood flow to his head wasn't cut off, there was no damage to his throat, and he was visibly breathing, how can it be claimed that he was strangled to death?
Saying things like "I can't breathe" while literally hyperventilating are signs your heart is failing.
@NOMOTURTLE;- Well, you've researched the case more in-depth than I have, so I'll concede that your conjecture is apparently more likely to have been formed on a greater degree of fact than mine.
Nevertheless, despite your comments I am still strongly of the opinion that Geordie boy wouldn't have died had Chauvin not maintained his knee hold to the suspect's neck.
Attempting to attribute the suspect's death to anything other than asphyxiation caused by Chauvin's knee hold is being over romantically imaginative, but its worth a try;- I guess it's a case of any port in a storm.
However, I still assert that all the evidence must be presented and interpreted by the relevant specialists before an authoritative judgment can be made.
The burning question in this case is;- will the Judge's final ruling be wholly professional and solely dependent on the factual evidence and its interpretation by expert-witnesses or will political/racial considerations cause a deviation from the course of impartial and objective judgment.
Neither the police or the black community are going to accept what they consider to be an unfavourable judgment but it will be the blacks who will become more destructive and murderous if Chauvin is acquitted or is found guilty of a lesser crime than murder.
MY GUESS IS THAT JUDGMENT WILL BE DEFERRED TO A POINT IN THE FUTURE WHEN ''SOME'' OF THE EMOTIONAL FERVOR HAS ABATTED.
Cool, believe whatever you want. And yes, there's obviously no final judgement yet.
Attempting to attribute the suspect's death to anything other than asphyxiation
I quoted and included a link to the autopsy report which explicitly states the cause of death. What more do you want?
MY GUESS IS THAT JUDGMENT WILL BE DEFERRED
That might be good, but I don't think it will matter. It's been what, almost a year already? And they'd probably riot upon hearing the case would be delayed. Heck, some are angry already over the charges not being severe enough.
I don't know what more I would do in that situation
The rookie on scene recommended turning Floyd on his side because of excited delirium. He was fresh from academy and recalled that training. His senior officer said that for the same concerns, Floyd needs to stay put. The rookie, being unsure of himself, agreed.
What should have been done differently is Floyd's position on the ground. If he were sitting on his side or upright when he died, we wouldn't be in this situation.
That's where my knowledge on this ends. I don't know what the police are trained to do (or what anyone should do) in terms of medical training or of the use of force. I imagine that comes up in the trial though.
Unfortunately, that's what this is going to possibly boil down to. There are people who're still trying to uncover exactly who the jurors are, so we know that someone out there is going to discover their identities. And then we'll be back at square one when they have to be released from the trial proceedings as well. The prosecutors PR person was caught during the trial taking photos, so their faces have mostly been uploaded to a cloud at this point.
As for the case, we can see that most of what we know by the media is not what is going to be widely spread. We know that the use of putting their knee on the back of the person's neck, is actually a legitimate practice by the police force. We know that Floyd was already suffering from a shortness of breath before the police showed up, because the cashier pointed that out.
I just fear that heads are going to roll once again, if the mob doesn't get their way on this one.
-One, on the notion of Hall incriminating himself. It's most likely that he had supplied Floyd with the narcotics that contributed to his death, which means he could snag himself in the same charges that are being leveled at Chauvin. Though on the count of it being either murder, or manslaughter in anyone's guess at this point.
-Two, on the topic of there being no hate crime element to the case. It's most likely because there was no evidence the necessary bias, required for this act to be considered a hate crime. I've seen people attempt to claim that Chauvin treating Floyd like he did, was due racims against Floyd. But the evidence for such a justification just isn't there. Had Chauvin said something overt against Floyd, and it was caught on footage, maybe. But right now, all we know is that he was doing his job.
Then it's too bad for the prosecution, that this expert did not register cause of death in Floyd's case.
Given the fact that we know this hold was not meant to restrict breathing, and the high levels of narcotics in his system. Reasonable doubt is still a mounting issue with this court case.
Given the fact that we know this hold was not meant to restrict breathing, and the high levels of narcotics in his system.
Given the fact that both independent medical experts who have looked at the case agree he died from lack of oxygen, not Fentanyl, I think you should shut your utterly stupid mouth.
George Floyd news: Bill Smock: Second expert says George Floyd died because he couldn't breathe | The Independent
Please Burrito, if you can't behave like an adult. Then you really shouldn't be attempting to take part in debates that you have no power in performing. But if you want information, I can pull you one directly from the medical examiner's report on Floyd. Because the full autopsy should speak more, seeing as it has first hand account in this matter, and not someone who just watched a video.
Interestingly enough, I find it funny that his injuries listed here are not evident of the kind of damage, one would receive. Were the prosecution's charges entirely accurate.
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Now, here we are with you being stuck calling someone racist. Which is somewhat comical, given the fact that you don't actually know what race I am.
Now do you promise to finally act like an adult, or do I have to keep treating you like a child?
Please Burrito, if you can't behave like an adult.
Since when does "behave like an adult" mean ignoring qualified medical examiners, ignoring qualified lung experts and making up your own cause of death?????
Why are you so stupid?
But if you want information, I can pull you one directly from the medical examiner's report on Floyd.
There were two separate autopsies you abominably stupid idiot, and both concluded it was a homicide:-
Independent autopsy and Minnesota officials say George Floyd's death was homicide
Still screeching "racist" with the same hollow fervor that you usually do apparently. And I also see that simply requesing that you act like an adult, does not guarantee that you'll do as such.
For this, I'd hate to have to break it to you. But just because someone's death is ruled as homicide by medical examiners. Does not actually mean what you're trying to imply. Even deaths that are ruled as suicide, are still covered as homicides by the same medical examiners. This also directly correlates to the difference in legality, when suggesting either murder, or homicide as a ruling.
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This is why that I picked the autopsy released by the original examiner. Not a third party, hired for outside reasons.
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As for Floyd's drug usage. We already know that he had lethal amounts in his system, and due to the medical examiner's notes, along with witness testimony. It could easily compound the issues that he was already suffering before the police arrived.
Expert: Lack of oxygen killed George Floyd, not drugs
I’d say if Dr C and Amarel were in charge of the case they would rule it was a tragic suicide and award Chauvin 20 million in damages for the stress of wrongly accusing him
Incidentally I just saw the piece you cited on Twitter also the highly regarded and respected Dr Tobin takes the stand and destroys the defence ..... Dr. Tobin testifies in Derek Chauvin trial that George Floyd’s respiratory rate indicates that fentanyl was not the cause of his death.
Wonder if DR C and Amarel would volunteer to lie on the ground and let a 200lb man kneel on their necks for 10 minutes?
Wonder if DR C and Amarel would volunteer to lie on the ground and let a 200lb man kneel on their necks for 10 minutes?
The use of force expert and the police chief, both testifying for the prosecution, admitted that when viewed from a different angle it is unclear that Chauvin had his knee on the back of Floyd's neck and appears rather to be on Floyd's shoulder blade. Also, Chauvin is 140 lbs.
Most people don't volunteer to get arrested, but in resisting arrest one does open themselves to being restrained through approved police restraint methods. Which is what Floyd was subjected to. Not that you asked, but I completely disagree with the notion that this restraint was needed for any extensive amount of time. The rookie on scene thought it was a problem too. But the fact remains that it was an approved method that was lower on their use of force spectrum than other approved restraints.
The use of force expert and the police chief, both testifying for the prosecution, admitted that when viewed from a different angle it is unclear that Chauvin had his knee on the back of Floyd's neck and appears rather to be on Floyd's shoulder blade.
Two different medical experts have testified that he died from compression of the neck.
You're really just a racist slimeball when we get right down to basics.
A number of medical experts have weighed in. You have consistently accepted some medical experts and rejected those with contradicting opinions. Those opinions don't simply go away just by you ignoring them. This is how you end up in a fantasy world of your own ignorant design. It would be sad if you weren't such a despicable character.
You forgot to switch to the correct account. I posted this comment to BL.
Incorrect I’ve accepted the most credible witnesses and accounts you’ve ignored them
When you fail to accept as "most credible" the medical examiner and the autopsy report, you notion of credibility is in serious doubt. Of course that's been your problem from the beginning.
And apparently respond as BL would in his place when he is the one being addressed. No worries, we can forget this little slip up and maintain the ruse.
He’s a horrible little police toady and a scumbag , when you have people like Amarel agreeing with statements like this .....
Prosecutor slams defense comparison of prone position to 'laying by the pool.'
On re-direct, prosecutor Jerry Blackwell has challenged Nelson’s assertion that the prone position was something that one does “laying by the pool in Florida.”
“You were asked a question about laying by the pool in Florida. George Floyd was not laying by the pool in Florida, was he?” Blackwell asks Thomas.
“No,” she replies.
You know you’re dealing with a nasty little racist
The official autopsy was the first one done by the states medical examiner. That's the original source we have access to. That's the one you're ignoring. It didn't say what the Floyd family wanted so they hired out.
Of course they ruled it a homicide. But that doesn't mean what you're pretending it means.
The lung expert said he needed nothing more than to view the video, which is all he did.
No one needs to show that Floyd certainly wasn't killed by positional asphyxia. That's a reasonable conclusion. The defense just needs to show that when Chauvin used approved restraints, it's reasonably possible that he was neither breaking the law nor trying to kill Floyd.
If he had died alone in his apartment of fentanyl, it would be a homicide you ignorant fuck. The fentanyl in his system, absent any other knowledge, would have made "overdose" a reasonable conclusion for cause of death according to the ME. He was quick to clarify that he isn't calling it an overdose. Neither am I. But the prosecutor is making the case that lethal levels of fentanyl had no significant effect on his death. But it's reasonable to doubt that lethal levels of fentanyl had no significant effect, which is the defendants case to make.
That's why Hall is refusing to testify smart one. The drug dealer has the right to refuse testimony that is self incriminating. If it were determined that fentanyl is the major reason Floyd died, and Hall admitted to giving it to him, Hall would face charges for Floyd's homicide.
Really? You're now going to claim that the cause of death is neck compression? Uh huh
They aren't my claims you delusional halfwit. They are what the autopsy report says:-
A new, independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family has determined he was killed by "asphyxiation from sustained pressure”.
On 1st Monday June, the family released the findings, which noted Floyd’s killing was "caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.”
Once again, BurritoLunch is revealing just how evident their lack of character is in this regard. Always calling someone a racist when you find that they have a differing opinion.
You really need to learn to think this kind of thing through.
Once again, BurritoLunch is revealing just how evident their lack of character is in this regard. Always calling someone a racist when you find that they have a differing opinion.
Differing opinion? 😂🤦♂️
A police officer is currently on trial for killing a black man. The autopsy reports and expert testimony all confirm the officer's actions resulted in the man's death.
On the basis of literally nothing, Amarel is rejecting the autopsy reports and the expert testimony, and arbitrarily declaring the man died from a Fentanyl overdose.
That isn't "differing opinion". That's wilful rejection of the facts of this case.
You do realize that you're doing the exact same as Amarel?
The both of you are choosing to support one professional view, over the other.
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Sadly, you're the one who can't resist acting like a sodden child over the matter, and insulting other posters.
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You have no actual access to facts at this point, because you even have to go with the secondary autopsy that was supplied. Much more being the fact that you intend to reject other information that is directly being placed up front, for the sake of the trial. All everyone is betting on here, are the opinions of those that the prosecution/defense calls to the stand.
The fact that you don't know the full breath of why homicide can be signed on things like a autopsy report, does not surprise me. I take it that you can explain to me how the coroner could explain such things. Especially seeing as they were not present when Floyd died.
I swear, you need to learn to actually think this sort of thing through.
It’s not in the least bit remarkable that you will always defend the police that’s the way your type are , you’re obviously watching and hearing a totally different trial to me and others
Jody Stiger, a longtime Los Angeles Police Department sergeant and prosecution witness, said Chauvin never moved, according to his review of police body-camera footage, and also appeared to be gripping Floyd’s hand in an effort to inflict pain on the man, even though he was no longer resisting.
During his second day of testimony at the former officer’s murder trial, Stiger told the jury that Chauvin appeared to be using a “pain compliance” technique on Floyd’s hand, “squeezing fingers or bringing knuckles together” and pulling his wrist into his handcuffs — an effort usually deployed by officers trying to gain control of a suspect. But because Floyd stopped resisting the moment officers placed him in a prone position on the ground, “at that point, it was just pain,” Stiger said.
Floyd was already at risk for potential breathing problems because he was handcuffed and facedown on the ground, Stiger testified. “When you add body weight to that, it just increases the possibility of death,” he said.
Amarel is one of those guys who is completely immune to factual reality. He just simply ignores it.
I bet he is the type who is never off the phone ringing the cops squealing at anything he deems a crime , “ officer , officer my neighbours are playing music a shade too loud they’re also not white please brutalise them in the name of reason “ 🤣
I believe that saying carries with it the assumption that the pot and kettle are both similarly black. So I'm going to have to push back on this a bit.
Floyd complained that he couldn't breath well before he was ever on the ground. Other then that, I haven't denied any of this testimony. I'm not watching a different trial, I'm just presenting testimony from the cross examination which is being omitted from many of the news articles. This is not an accident. If there is a hung jury or if Chauvin is acquitted, it will be because of the information that you and others want to ignore. If that information is under reported then ignorant blowhards like you will call it systemic racism and feel justified in burning down the unrelated corner store.
He's utterly batshit crazy. It's like I said yesterday: he's immune to factual reality.
I’m convinced if Chauvin is found guilty and jailed Amarel will start bleating about a miscarriage of justice.
What’s truly tragic about this imbecile is that every statement he makes about the law or economics in the US is always wrong and when you correct him he invents a new narrative to fit with his updated reinterpretation ......I note with amusement he chickened out of your debate challenge as you and I anticipated
What’s truly tragic about this imbecile is that every statement he makes about the law or economics in the US is always wrong and when you correct him he invents a new narrative to fit with his updated reinterpretation
Lol. That's a precise analysis of what any conversation with him is like. Everything he ever says is absurd, and when you object to its absurdity he distorts language and reason in any way possible as an alternative to taking your point. Often he will include provocation and insults to try to elicit an emotional response from you.
I've found this to be an increasingly common pattern of behaviour on the American right, as the tethers attaching them to factual reality continue to disintegrate in the post-truth era of politics. Much of the academic reasoning behind right wing American ideology -- things like rational market theory etc... -- which supported it for so many years has collapsed under further scrutiny, and these people now have nowhere else to turn except conspiracy theories and delusion.
I've found this to be an increasingly common pattern of behaviour on the American right, as the tethers attaching them to factual reality continue to disintegrate in the post-truth era of politics. Much of the academic reasoning behind right wing American ideology -- things like rational market theory etc... -- which supported it for so many years has collapsed under further scrutiny, and these people now have nowhere else to turn except conspiracy theories and delusion.
Spot on my friend as a nation a sizable proportional are delusional , only last year I was verbally attacked by a mob of these nuts on DI who went nuts at the suggestion that universal healthcare is a human right as is education , they insist on being fleeced paying for such and threaten you with physical violence for suggesting otherwise ........A nation of fucking raving loons
That is right. He complained when he was still upright and in the car.
Not where I’m reading and watching
That's your problem. Only watching the prosecutors examination tends to convince one of the prosecutors case. But it's only have the story.
I’m actually convinced now you’re mentally insane
After last week when you told BL that you like corpses because they are a little less likely to reject you, no one cares what you're convinced of.
The tragedy here is you don’t even realise you’re making fuck all sense
You tend to make some bland comment along these lines when you have no counter point and can't think not an insult. It's one of your many marks of failure.
Haha! I tell you that "You tend to make some bland comment along these lines when you have no counter point and can't think not an insult". To which you respond with a bland comment along those lines.
This is why I occasionally interact with you. A walking talking joke is really something.
Haha! I tell you that "You tend to make some bland comment along these lines when you have no counter point and can't think not an insult". To which you respond with a bland comment along those lines.
Ha, Ha your usual retort when schooled again
This is why I occasionally interact with you. A walking talking joke is really something.
This from a spokesman for a nation who’s best candidate for a president was Trump .......you’re a funny little man 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So the testimony of another witness called by the prosecution, stating that Chauvin used less force than he could have used. Is contradictory to Stiger' own statement?
I also see no indication in the medical reports, of damage being done to Floyd's hands. At least not something that would match that type of stress.
ER Dr Langenfeld who testified the other day said he suspected hypoxia, commonly referred to as asphyxia, killed Floyd. On cross examination Chauvin's attorney asked if fentanyl can cause hypoxia/asphyxia and Doc said yes. When asked if meth can cause hypoxia, Doc said it can. He also said that the primary reason fentanyl is dangerous is because it suppresses the respiratory system. That could explain why Floyd complained that he couldn't breath before Chauvin was even there.
It's becoming less reasonable to conclude that the only explanation for Floyd's death is Chauvin.
On cross examination Chauvin's attorney asked if fentanyl can cause hypoxia/asphyxia and Doc said yes. When asked if meth can cause hypoxia, Doc said it can.
Here's what he actually said, as per the headlines:-
Contradicting the defence, Dr Martin Tobin said fentanyl did not cause Mr Floyd's death. He said even a "healthy person...would have died".
Well, we're entering the final stretch of the trial and this should mark some intrinsic turning point for the prosecution.
They needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin killed Floyd, and unfortunately for them. They've only managed to throw more doubt upon that exact same level.
With their own witnesses turning more response for the defense than for the prosecution itself.
I don't think anyone that watched it could honestly call it anything but, well, .... Chauvin-istic murder!
I think he had his hands in his pockets because he was getting turned on! But, of course, that's just my opinion ... it's what I was thinking at the time! He's a Sadist! (Another real-time feeling)! If he was to walk our "justice system" would be a joke, and our "All men are created equal" message would be meaningless! I don't condone violence. Neither do I condone murder!
It happens ALL OVER THE WORLD! When people don't get justice, things happen. :-(
No, our justice system would be a joke, if it was allowed he be pulled out by the crowed and punished by their own hands.
Our system is weighing the evidence that it has in this case. It's not going to be an easy ride, but none of this ever really is, and it's not like he hasn't already paid for this in some measure. I'm just not willing to see a man's life ruined, because he was unfortunate enough to have someone die while he was on the job.
Given the evidence being leveled against him. It's quite possible that the harder charges will fail to stick, and to that effect. The officers along with Chauvin will be released as well. As the verdict of their case, relies on him being found guilty.
You're SO smart ... in a dumb sort of way. You are living proof that conservatives ARE right when they say we have a LOT of mental illness in this country! (They just won't admit most of it is on THEIR SIDE! :-)
A man's life WAS TOTALLY ruined, he was choked to death while a chovin-istic beast played with himself! The man was unfortunate enough to be around while the beast "was on the job".
Even his blue brothers are trying to cage the beast! A piece of Biblical advice ... Open thine eyes!
Derek Chauvin is doomed regardless of the outcome of this trial. Even if he's acquitted he's still going to have to spend the rest of his days in hiding.
I don't see anything but misery in his future. He's gonna end up wishing he'd killed himself the day he murdered George Floyd
Then I guess he will live a miserable underground existence for doing exactly as he should have according to multiple investigations including one by Obama's DOJ. I hope there isn't a comparison between possibly guilty Chauvin and completely vindicated Wilson.
Is it possible that Derek Chauvin might be acquitted. Are you for, or against it, and why
Hello Dr:
It's not a matter of what I'm for or not.. It's a matter of whether I believe my lying eyes or not. Secondly, we were told the trial would last 2 weeks.. That it's lasting 2 weeks does not mean it's dragging on.
But, to your question.. In this country, it's HARD to convict a cop - very, very hard. Therefore, there's a good chance he'll walk.
Contrary to your observation, however, I don't see any misconduct in the trial that would cause the judge to call it a mistrial.. That people are talking about it, and that they are demonstrating about it, and that the news networks are reporting on it, isn't a reason to end the trial..
Finally, I don't see the people THREATENING anyone or any city.. But, having seen guilty cops get off before, I KNOW - absolutely KNOW - that if he's acquitted, riots will rain down upon this great country of ours..
George Floyd square has already been turned into an autonomous zone, and its' already claimed a life. We also have people coming out demanding that Chauvin not even be given a trial.
So no matter what happens here. We're going to have a group that is not going to be happy about whatever outcome we have.
After watching the trial so far, it is clear that he used too much force for too long. I don't think they will be able to Convict on third or second degree murder, but they are setting up and will likely be able to prove the second degree manslaughter charge. From what I read that will give him up to 10 years in prison. I am concerned that he has three charges against him and they all will be considered separately. Therefore, he could be convicted on all three charges!!! I think that is bizarre and is only being done because they want a conviction. All I can say is that this is a tragedy for everyone involved and needs to be quickly dispatched.
I am concerned that he has three charges against him and they all will be considered separately. Therefore, he could be convicted on all three charges!!! I think that is bizarre and is only being done because they want a conviction.
I've seen this happen a lot in cases covered by the media. I agree it's absolutely bizarre, and it frequently leads to bizarre sentence lengths of 150-200 years. I think they should aim for one main charge and consider anything else an aggravating factor to the main charge.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another"
That would be the best outcome that the prosecution could ask for. Given how things are going right now, with Floyd's friend pulling himself from questioning, and pleading the 5th. It's more likely that Chauvin may get a vastly reduced sentence compared to what other people really want.
