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Is it right for a mosque to be built on Ground Zero?

I think creating a mosque on Gorund Zero is a slap in the face to all those who die. No one is discriminating against religion but we should ask ourselves " why there and who came up with this idea?," where is this money coming from? We have seen how many American have died and let us think of how many more are dying in wars. Is it right for this to happen? If we had bombed down another country, could a U.S Missionary or The U.S Government put up a office in the location of that bombing? I do not discriminate against religion but i think that there should be some respect for the lives taken and we should think about the sufferings of the families of all those victims who died.

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5 points

Yes, Muslims should be allowed to build a mosque wheresoever they damn-well please.

Why?

Because if Muslims aren't allowed to exercise their right to religion, how much longer until Christians and other religions aren't allowed to either?

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Nobody never said that muslims shouldn't be allowed to buildtheir mosque but why there? When you talk about freedom of religion then you should also find out why is it that they cannot give account for the rest of money that is coming for the building of this mosque.

You should also see if we could have gone and build a church in their country after doing something like that. After all those lives that were lost then you should think twice.

Muslims have a right to execrise their religion but why there? Why is it that their opening ceremony is scheduled on the same day with the 9/11 ceremony? Don't you think that that will cause a conflict?

And why is it that they turned down the offer made by the Governor of New York for another spot that can be provided free of cost?

Why are they so determinedto build their mosque there? When we talk about respect for lives, we are talking about the respect of thousands of lives taken on that spot. You are failing to understand that this is not about religion but about terrorism. And we do not even know who these people are and what their motives are.

Side: Against
3 points

actually, there have been many recent accounts of Muslims being refuse to build moques in areas such as California and Wisconsin.

and as for why build a mosque in New York City, it is one of the biggest cities in America, which contains a number of religions including Muslims. they have the right to build the mosque. did you ever think they were just doing it because they live near by?

and they are not building it on ground 0, they are building several blocks away.

it is the American right to follow you own choice of religion, and despite the media's attempts, no one has the right to take away their rights.

Side: For
2 points

It is absolutely stupid to argue about this mosque! No matter what religion those terrorists had... they could have been christians! You should know that RELIGION DID NOT DESTROY THE WTC!!! OMG... those guys destroyed the Twins. No religion. Its their fault... and they don't give a damn right now because they're dead...

And then what about the muslim people killed in 9/11 attacks... Yes there are victims of this catastrophe that had islam as their religion. Is that their fault too???

Islam itself is a religion like any other it has its own faults, but there will always be radical members like Taliban... or crazy christian anti-gay protesters. People who let the religion screw their brains!!

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Why don't you take a look at that video that highlighted certain important aspects and then tell me what you think? How do you know that all of them who destroyed the WTC died. We keep hearing propaganda but is there any proof or evidence to prove that. Last time i recalled the head of the Al Qaida was undergoing a trial and is now being replaced with another leader of Al Qaida.

Islam is a religion like any other religion but what about in reference to certain parts of the Quran which speaks about the enemy? Take a look at that video and then tell me what you think? Have we heard anyone of these members of that mosque publicly criticize the actions of the terrorists groups?

Side: Against
2 points

The Imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, leading the Park 51 / Cordoba House project two blocks from ground zero is a leading moderate voice in the Muslim world. In the aftermath of 9/11, he worked with the FBI on counterterrorism. He has been working for years, through his books and lectures, to build cultural bridges between the Western and Muslim worlds. (http://themoderatevoice.com/83169/report-ground-zero-radical-imam-was-working-with-fbi/) He's the kind of Imam that we should be supporting.

Al-Qaeda is no more a Muslim organization than Tim McVeigh or the KKK (all Klansmen were required to be Protestants) are Christians. Every ideology will always have its crazies. Sure, there are passages in the Quran that advocate violence, but there are also passages in the Bible in which God condones massacres and murders the innocent (Gen. 19:24-25, Exodus 11:4-6, Deut. 2:33-34, 3:3-6, Judges 20:48, 2 Chron. 14:12-14, 22:7-9). I'm not arguing against Christianity, rather I'm saying that any of the world's major holy books can be twisted to condone horrific violence. The acts of Al-Qaeda do not reflect the beliefs of Muslims. Would you be offended if a Christian group wanted to build a church within a few blocks of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City? After all, McVeigh believed a twisted, violent, far-right ideology that masqueraded as Christianity (http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=15532).

The way I see it, Islam is going through a modernization process, just as Christianity did around the time of the renaissance. Just as Christianity left behind its violent past of crusades and inquisitions, focusing instead on the love of Jesus, Islam is leaving behind its premodern, violent ways in exchange for peace. Most of the modern Muslim world (and certainly every Muslim that I've ever met) are adherents of the modern, peaceful version of Islam. If we want to promote the modernization process, then we need to legitimize and support modern Muslims, such as this Imam. As Islam more completely modernizes itself, the violent Islamic crazies will increasingly fade away.

There is utterly no legal reason to prevent the Park 51 development. The first amendment clearly states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", and if denying a building permit because of the intent to build a house of worship isn't a violation of that clause, then I don't know what is.

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Didn't that Imam too from Astoria too was working for the FBI? Didn't he betray the FBI after years of working for them? You fail to understand that if the first amendment say that there is freedom of religion then what does that have to do with the erection of a building on a disputed property? The first amendment is referring to the fact that no authority shall have power to prohibit a person from practicing his religious beliefs, not erecting a building. So are you saying that a person can build a place of worship anywhere? Because if that is what you are saying then that is merely nonsense to me.

Side: Against
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Really? So God condoned the massacres of the innocent but He did not say it was holy? Did he?

Side: Against
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

So are you also saying that because the first amendment speaks about freedom to practice religion it also means freedom to construct. To my understanding and knowledge practicing your religion has to do with living your life according to your religious beliefs. Point out what part of the first amendment talks about freedom to erect.

Side: Against
sayyad99(773) Disputed
1 point

And lastly why isn't there any churches near the Kaba then? So why don't you try explaining that too.

Side: Against
1 point

Building this mosque is like taking a baby on an airplane; It's totally legal and fair, but really inconsiderate and insensitive to the other people involved.

Side: For

Haha wow, "a slap in the face to all those who die". That made me laugh... hard.

To me, this is a test of whether or not we as Americans honestly adhere to what we claim to be our principles. Do we really believe in religious freedom or not?

If religious freedom is really one of our core values, then building a Mosque and Islamic Cultural Center in the general vicinity of where the WTC used to be is not even a legitimate topic of discussion. If we don't discriminate on the basis of religious beliefs, then the peaceful practice of Islam near the site of an act of Islamic extremist terrorism is not even worth discussing. It's great. Build your mosque, do your thing, and God bless you.

But if we really only care about religious freedom for religions that are popular in this country, then let's stop jabbering on about freedom and admit that we are every bit as intolerant and ignorant as the ideology we are supposedly fighting against.

Pick one or the other...but if you are against the Mosque near "ground zero" then don't pretend like you care about American values and basic principles of freedom and justice. You don't.

http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/08/09/ study-confirms-mosques-help-prevent-spread-of-terrorism/ Heres an article that evidences the fact that mosques help prevent terrorism.

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Let me ask you something "Wasn't the Kaba built on a spot conquered?" Before you jump to any conclusion then you don't you try explaining that to me? You guys keep talking about religious religion? Why don't you try a deep interpretation of the first amendment? Point out what part of the first amendment mentioned about the erection of place of worship nearby.

When you talk about i don't care i do because if you read my arguments you would have learnt that many people i know died in those buildings and perhaps if you were in my shoes then you would understand what a slap in the face means.

So who cares about a article? For your information read up on the history of terrorist attack and the spot that the Kaba was built on.

I am sorry we are not the one jabbering about religious freedom, you guys are because you are trying to prove that we are wrong but you will never be able to because there are clear proof of everything we say.

Side: Against
1 point

Yes, they should be able to. Look, at the catholic church, already there. Did, not the so, called Christians, build on holy lands, in America. The American Indians, were here first, and we destroyed everything holy, to them? What did, the church do, they did a jihad, against them. For, I am, a believer in God. This is, what I, think of the catholic church, and their abuse on non believers. Did,not the catholic church, also, denounce other religions, through out the world. In the name of God. And, decided it was not in accordance, with the catholic views, and proceeded to force the ideas on them? And tried to kill them, for not wanting to change. Example: the crusades, the Mayans, American Indians, and non catholics, in this country, and across the world. Seems, like everywhere the catholics went there, was death to all, who would not except, the churches views. For, I, believe that the catholic church, has done a jihad themselves.

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

I think the main point here is that until they can answer our questions we posed to them only then will we be able to come to an agreement but they are avoiding many questions and also there should be some respect to those who died there. And worst of all we don't know if that will be a ground for terrorist activity.

Side: Against
1 point

Absolutely. There's no pragmatic reason why it shouldn't be.

To say that Islam itself is an affront to the twin towers is like saying that Christianity itself is an affront to LGBT centers or abortion clinics. Tragedy doesn't take precedence over liberty or rationality.

What reasonable person would object to the placement of a shooting range two blocks from Columbine, Colorado, a neighborhood known to be predominantly filled with sport shooters? Nobody? Shocking!

"Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question: Should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion?"

To anyone who would answer that question in the negative: You don't deserve to be an American.

Supporting Evidence: NYC Mayor Bloomberg in defense of mosque (online.wsj.com)
Side: For
1 point

My heartful condolences for the people who died in the events of 9-11. Freedom of religion guarantees the construction of religious buildings. More importantly, why I feel the mosque should be built on ground 0.Firstly, its not just a mosque but an islamic center housing a prayer hall,library and conference room for inter-faith dialogue which is extremely important. One of the primary aims of the islamic center is to eradicate the misconceptions non-Muslims have towards Islam and enlightening them on the true teachings of this peaceful faith. It is rightully located in ground 0 because that is the most likely place on earth where non-muslims will question the peaceful teachings of Islam. When a person comes to ground 0 he will inevitably blame Islamic teachings and Muslims,and will be curious to know how these people could commit such an act. Such dubious thoughts will be removed once they interact with practicing Muslims in the community center and learn what the Qur'an really says abt such heinous acts.A part of the ground zero tour for tourists should include a trip to the islamic center, where tourists can openly ask their doubts. I feel the Islamic center is a must in ground 0.

Side: For
4 points

The only thing that should be built at ground zero is a memorial for the victims of 9/11.

Side: Against
2 points

and that memorail can still be built, because the mosque is not being built on ground zero. it is in new york city o course, but it was never going to be on ground 0.

Side: For
sayyad99(773) Disputed
2 points

Government’s Pro-Jihad Statements

Imam Rauf raised no objections to official calls for suicide bombing in America and Israel.

Link: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/imam-behind-ground-zero-mosque-silent-about-malaysian-governments-pro-jihad-statements/

Why don't you read that news and tell me if it is safe for these people t0 build their mosque near ground zero. You keep telling me that they have the right to but you seem to be avoiding the most important question where is the money coming from? And i am sure you yourself does not know the answer to this question. It is not on Ground Zero but it is very near to Ground Zero. If they respected the people that died there then why did they schedule their opening for the same day with the 9/11 memorial?

AND FOREMOST OF ALL WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHY AT MANY SPOTS CONQUERED BY MUSLIMS, A MOSQUE WAS PUT UP? WASN'T THE KAABA ALSO PUT UP AT A SPOT CONQUERED BY MUSLIMS?

Side: Against
oboedm7(11) Disputed
2 points

you have apoint however i would just like to point out that its not really a mosque its a muslum community center and prayer room, to replace the one that was actually in the tower number two which got obliterated, two its not the fact the fact thats its own its the fact that its with in walking distance of ground zero.

Side: For
3 points

thank you for your video! hopefully these people can take a look at it.

Side: Against

I disagree with the placement of a mosque next to ground zero in the same way I would oppose a gun shop next to Columbine High School. Do all Muslims kill people? Of course not. And neither do all guns. But the connotation is still there, and it shows a lack of respect for those affected by both tragedies

Side: Against

It would not be in good taste, therefore, it would be inappropriate.

Side: Against
0 points

Well, we're a litte behind the times. The is an Islamic community within a few blocks of Ground Zero that is underway, and in the plans are a mosque. However, no mosque is going to be built on the site of Ground Zero

Side: Against
sayyad99(773) Disputed
3 points

I agree with you but i still think we all should show some respect to the thousands who died in the WTC. There are certain things that they have not been able to answer and if you check in today's daily news you will see that a 19 year old picked the location of the spot. I mean why did they not involve adults? Why a teenager? And Gov. Patterson offered them a land free of charge but then why did they reject that offer? They have not been able to show as yet where the remaining money is coming from and neither have they spoken out on terrorist activities.

Side: For