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If you were to ban avowed Nazis who's mission was to undermine all other forms of gov't and practice hate, there would be no problem. Slap the classification of religion on it and the left has conniptions. I see no difference. Admission, denied!
All you have to do is look to Europe to see how it's working out. Muslims are taught not to mix and assimilate; that's why you have so many problems with them in virtually every country the immigrate to.
I have tutored people from an arab nation in English that did want to intergrate. I have also help a family foster a child from an arab nation so that he can one day come and find a job here in Spain.
You need more life experience pal. Meet people then form your judgement on whether government should destroy the lives of a whole genus.
So? Teaching someone a language does not assimilation make. I've dealt with Muslims before and individually they are fine, collectively they are a problem; it's their underlying faith in a hostile, bigoted and misogynist belief system that is the problem.
Actually the desire someone has to learn a language is one of the indications of a willingness to assimilate but anyway whatever. I cant convince you and I cant be arsed. You're scared and thats enough for you.
So you are rejecting your first person experience in favor of xenophobic propaganda from the media? Donald Trump thanks you for your sheepish obedience to fear and your vote.
I have my own first person experiences with Muslims, especially from Iran. My opinions are based on my own experiences and observations and is what it is today long before Trump threw his hat in the arena and made his positions known. You are obviously confusing me with the mindless minions of the left who like sheep follow where ever they are led.
Oh cute, you have some limited experience with a small amount of Muslims from one part of one country, and you judge 1.6 billion people based on it.
I mean come on. You really say stuff like that, support Trump, and have the audacity to call others sheep? You're the one following the strongman-candidate running on a platform of fear mongering.
I must admit there are many mindless minions on the left. I just question how you went from only having good personal experiences with Muslims to believing that they are an existential threat.
Yep parts of it encourage violence. Most muslims are not violent. Woops. How do you marry those two facts up? To me its a deep sociological question. To you and your Christian mindset I guess there is a simple answer right?
I have a problem with the teaching of the Quran and that there are people following it so literally but the fact is the vast majority of people that identify themselves as muslim are not violent people and therefore should not be banned from anywhere. It shows that islam can be followed without violence. How can you deny that? It is an observable fact.
When the underlying message of any religion can be interpreted as a command by it's god to murder and maim innocent people then most certainly, the followers of such a vile, demonic faith must be banned from civilized societies. Of course this will never happen as the sanctimonious politicians would be afraid of losing part of their electorate support. So, the good citizens of the west can expect to be blown to smithereens and permanently crippled all as a consequence of their yellow bellied politicians who have neither the moral fibre or political courage to do what is necessary. So, the upshot is, ''LOOK OUT FOR A BOMB COMING TO A TOWN CLOSE YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE''.
The Bible can be interpreted as a command to kill and maim. Never read Judges?
Funny how people like you seem really aggressive and unpleasant but when you peel back the layers you reveal someone who is very scared. You realise that in the US toddlers with guns kill more than terrorists? Think about that time you go into hysterics with your "were all goong to die!!!!" speechs.
These people come from a theocratic form of government and know no other way. Church and State are one and the same; Sharia Law is the only law. There are no Christian theocracies that practice such hate, therefore, your comparison falls short by a few hundred years. Let's stick the the here and now, not hundreds of years in the past.
I've know Muslims before, even went to college with some. Individually, they are splendid, but the "faith" they follow is wretched. They consider a pedophile the "perfect man" a man who pioneered the concept of "thighing". Go look it up.
Notwithstanding that, unlike you, I didn't mention any specific religion I nevertheless must comment it's only deranged dirtballs like you who could interpret the Bible as calling on Christians to murder men woman and children in the name of God. It's also weak minded filth such as you who aids and abets the Muslim terrorists to slaughter dozens on the streets of Europe and the U.S.A. The world doesn't begin and end in the United States. I live in Northern Ireland and have seen first hand the dead bodies of babies, children, women, pregnant woman and innocent males with their dismembered limbs strewn over the streets as a result of terrorist bombs. You say I'm scared, you bet your useless life I was scared, shit scared, but for over 30 years I ran my own business with a workforce of over 100. I had to obtain sufficient work for 130 men, make sure the work was done properly and then chase payment. This was achieved when I was scared, not only for myself but also for my young family whilst at the same time dodging bullets and bombs as well as living under permanent threat from the I.R.A. You are a one of the standard phonies who like to spew their sanctimonious drivel over the internet. How brave you must be not to feel fear when under fire. Any experienced military person would tell you that those who say they are not frighted in combat situations are either yellow bellied liars or dead. You quite clearly slot into the former category. While the 1000s of men and women who have dedicated their lives to thwarting the terrorist atrocities in the west shitbags like you can get a free ride and fart in bed all day.
I live in Northern Ireland and have seen first hand the dead bodies of babies, children, women, pregnant woman and innocent males with their dismembered limbs strewn over the streets as a result of terrorist bombs.
Erm.. what religion were the people that did that again sweetheart? =)
Typical ignorant American who hasn't the remotest idea about what's going on in the world around them. The so called ''Irish Question'' has nothing whatsoever to do with religion, but has everything to do with a selection of psychopathic murderers, the I.R.A. ( pro united Ireland) trying to achieve their political ends by violence and who were opposed by the Loyalist U.D.A. ( pro union with the U.K.) . Neither side of murderers ever made claim to be fighting for religion nor did the Roman Catholic or Protestant churches ever condone the atrocities or support either of these two terrorist groups. All you have done with your pitiful, misinformed slobbering is to graphically illustrate that not only are you a yellow bellied low life but you are a benighted dirtball who knows Jack Shit about anything. Muslims carry out their inhuman atrocities in the name of their God, Allah, not so the aforementioned Irish terrorist filth. Their's is a purely politically motivated series of barbaric acts of carnage and destruction. If that's the best you can do by way of argument you would be best to admit defeat and bow your empty head in shame. How the age of the computer has spawned a whole generation of cyber idiots who labour under the misapprehension that they are clever. God, any God, real or imagined, save us from shitheads like you.
Cant believe I have to explain this but anyway... about 0.00001% of muslims have ever done anything to blow anyone up. It is true that they are all muslim. It is an identifying characteristic and a motivation for that tiny minority. Do these statistics suggest that in order to be a muslim you have to blow people up? Well obviously not or the number would be much higher.
My analogy still stands ... banning islam in a country (in a fantasy land where that could be effective) would be as effective as banning all Catholics from entering the UK during the IRA attacks. It would stop any chance of any bombings. In the case of Muslims the banning could affect up to 1.6 billion people worldwide. For what? So that you can feel a little bit safer? 56 people were killed in the one and only islamic terrorist bomb incident in the UK. To give you an idea of what a small number of deaths that really is... coconuts falling on peoples head kill 150 people a year worldwide, champagne corks: 24 a year in the US, a cow: 20 a year in the US.
Statistically, letting muslims in or not would not make a significant difference on whether you are going to life or die but could ruin the lives of millions of muslims. Sorry buddy but your fear is not enough of a justification for that.
Through your shocking stupidity you continue to miss the point. It is also damning on you that you cannot understand that religion has nothing to do with the I.R.A, most of whose members have never been inside a Church/Chapel in their adult lives. In contrast I.S.I.A, is all about religion as they are carrying out a jihad, ''holy war'', in the name of Allah. I'm sure if you try hard you'll be able to see the difference between the motivation of the two sets of psychopathic murderers, or maybe I'm being too optimistic. Now fool, read and understand, Ireland is a Catholic nation and by banning Catholics you would be reducing it's population by 3/4 or more. Your ridiculous analogy is like suggesting that you ban Muslims from Saudi Arabia, Egypt or any of the Eastern Islamic countries. Were you always an idiot or did you fall off a ladder more recently and land on your head? In their twisted and diseased minds the I.R.A. justify their atrocities as being part of their struggle to free the last remaining area of their country from British rule. It was the British who ''planted'' Scottish and English settlers during the 16th and 17th century when they ousted the indigenous farmers from their land and installed the immigrants. This period is known as the plantation of Ireland. They also improved the irish administration by installing a more efficient form of local government with English and Scottish personnel who favoured their countrymen in the allocation of jobs and housing etc. Muslims on the other hand are aliens in the west and many of their number are hell bent on causing death and destruction in their adopted countries in the name of Allah. It therefore stands to reason that if you ban Muslims you have eliminated the ''islamic problem''. As I've stated before your non-argument is akin to injecting your family with a solution which contains cancer cells and trying to rationalize your act of madness by saying that most of the fluid is harmless. To explain this to you in kindergarten terms, this means that the western leaders are injecting their respective nations with Muslim immigrants a % of whom will contain terrorists who will kill and maim the indigenous population. Have you been keeping yourself up to date with events in Europe?
Before 9/11 and then even more so, before the continued Islamic radical terrorism that has plagued the world, I would have answered this question with a resounding "no." That is, that it is NOT all right--or even constitutional--to ban a certain religion, or peoples of that religion, from our country.
But over the past couple years I have changed my mind on this. I now believe it would be perfectly justifiable to ban Islam and all who choose to practice it from America.
They are simply too much trouble. Too heavy of a track record of Terrorism and anti-Christian as well as anti-American violence and murder.
Sure, I fully realize not ALL Muslims are like this. But so what? Who cares? The dynamic of "a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch" is seen all the time in America. In the laws we have. The policies of businesses. With our Insurance costs. Healthcare costs. We see it all of the time: the corruption or greed or wrongdoing of a few have caused the rest of us to pay for it by paying more. Or, like in the case of terrorism, again. how we now are treated like criminals when we fly on a plane!
So why not make all the Muslims responsible for the actions of their murderous radicals? Ban them and IT (Islam) from my country.
The constitution should not have to apply to defend a religion that has radicals that want that constitution's country and people DEAD.
Right?
Right.
Ban Islam.
Ge the fuck out of my country.
We don't go flying 747's into your shit-hole mud huts.
shoot .... the religion of atheism teaches you can murder a living innocent Human Being in its infancy ... approx. 3,000 every day in AmeriKa ..... this father of their "Godless" religion is indeed a liar and a murderer from the beginning
I understand the Bible. I understand that all sin is equal. I can tell a lie or violently rape and torture someone its all the same in Gods eyes. I am getting into heaven if I love Jesus. Guaranteed. I can be the most 'evil' person in the world.
Ok so thats a no then. So then how is it that a rapist isnt a Christian but a liar, for example, could be?
Its a stupid question isnt it because all sin is equal and both the rapist and the liar are Christian who will go to heaven as long as they believe the Christ was God and accepts him (no other requirement). You cannot say that sinning is an indication of someone not accepting Christ.
in the religion of atheism ... right and wrong are in the eyes of the beholder ... the atheist has no authority to set a standard of "morality' for another person .... you believe abortion is wrong ? .. then by all means do not have one ...... you believe torture is wrong ? .. then by all means do not torture anyone ...... you believe rape is wrong ? .. then by all means do not rape anyone
There are lots of moral questions the Bible does not address (it is relatively short). Are you saying that anything that Christianity doesnt teach is wrong.. is infact right? Waw. This explains why the post horrid unpleasant people on this site are the Christians... the Bible didnt have a chapter on Internet etiquette!
Wow...congrats! That post was wrong on so many counts that it might be some sort of a record.
First...atheism teaches nothing. The word simp!y denotes somebody is NOT a theist. Nod do they subscribe to theist doctrines. Period.
So we certainly do not teach that murder is OK. We are also not all pro choice. There are many of us who are pro life. Not believing in theism has nothing to do with ones stance on abortion.
Lastly....a proto fetal bundle of nerves with no brain nor emotions that is the size of your dick is NOT a human being. To imply therefore that just because I don't believe in a superstitious God I condone murder is not only unfair and wrong, it is a bald faced lie.
Well it certainly is just take a look at the EU but it is known the Progressive Left turns a blind eye to "Truth and Reality" because they can't accept either.
Yes, atheism should be banned, it's ruining the world.......also Islam and Sodomy and abortion, all should be banned forever and never seen or heard from again...and one day they will be gone
Banning a religious group is only valid if your government is totalitarian or a theocracy. Western societies like the USA are neither so it is completely inappropriate to single out a specific religion and then ban its members. You could still ban people for other legitimate reasons, just not for simply belonging to a religion.
First of all you must separate your brain from your body when you claim anyone wants to ban all of any religious group. But then again Liberals might fit into the lack of a brain senario.
Scare tactics, the sky is falling, this is the MO of those on the Left. Twist any statement made by any republican. Take it out of context and then spew the rhetoric to low end voters because these voters are the ones who many don't even know the name of our vice president...... wait a minute...... is it Bill Aires? Is he our vice president.... Obama spent a lot of time with him.
No, church and state should be held completely separate. That means no laws forbidding, or supporting, any religious belief. That being said, the laws can (and sometimes should) ban certain religious practices, but never for the reason of just to limit that religion. There needs to be a practical reason for it.
I will say 'No' because I'm an Indian. Religion is something related to god and nothing else. You can't use religion in all places. It's their personal. Banning a certain religion is like separating men and women from a country.
indeed ..... until the vetting process is refined ...
Ahhh thank God for that!! Can you Bejesus it! I thought he was going to ban them but infact he only wants to ban them for a period of time. Oh wait...........................
Dude, he already said he wants to ban non American muslims. Those were his words. That, even though according to the FBI and Interpol, the ovet whelping majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe are done by non Muslims.
They would do what all good security forces should be doing. They would be profiling the people and from their knowledge of terrorists, could then allow those people into our country who clearly do not fit the profile of terrorists.
There would never be a perfect way to know for sure, but to do what Democrats and the Left wants to do (allow them in and NEVER profile) is INSANITY! Trump and most republicans understand we have to be very very careful and use ALL methods(profiling included) tht would best protect Americans.
I realize the Left always cares more for the criminal's rights than the future victim's rights.
I will say '' No", no matter what religion I belong to. I think that religion means something each person believe in, It can be God, Buddha or even science. Religion means belief and each person has his or her own freedom, free in choosing what they believe. But the belief must be in limitation, It means although each person can freely choose religion but they mustn't act in violation of the rule and public morals
Can banning certain religion bring any positive effect on society??well I think no.it can only increase social unrest in the society....it will effect the environment of whole country...there will be protests, riots...thousands of innocents will lose their lives..even if they are suppressed people of that religion will migrate to other country...it will also pose a big problem..
