Is "killing" a fetus and murdering someone walking on the street the same?
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Some girl at my school made a very stupid comment concerning this and I almost slapped her. I swear people don' t think.
Yes
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No
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Your wording makes your rhetorical question rather biased. "Murder" is a technical term referring to a type of unlawful killing of a human person. So by calling abortion murder, you're begging the question as to whether or not a foetus is a person, which is a huge point of debate. You're also begging the question of legality, as you're giving the name of a crime to an act which may or may not be illegal depending on the laws of your country. Side: No
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That's not what begging the question means. For the record, it refers to an argument that uses itself as evidence for itself (i.e., it's circular). I know this seems like a snarky thing to comment on, but I don't mean it to - I just like accuracy, and you seem to like using the phrase. Side: correction
Your wording makes your rhetorical question rather biased. "Murder" is a technical term referring to a type of unlawful killing of a human Funny, that’s exactly what I was thinking about when I read the OP and then posted my little pun. Also, the reason I omitted “person” in your remark is because there is no reference to murder regarding a 'person' in as much as a 'human being.' That debate formed after the debate on whether or not abortion is 'murder.' So by calling abortion murder, you're begging the question as to whether or not a foetus is a person, which is a huge point of debate. I'm going to assume that by your application of 'begging the question' you are not referring to the commonly known logical fallacy, and that you literally mean that I am provoking a question from my post. Well, it wasn’t my intention, although I can see why you would say that. What I merely aimed to do was cause a knee jerk reaction to a simple play on words where I basically posed a counter argument using the same rhetoric as the OP. I know there is a debate on whether or not a fetus is a person, but I do not engage in it, the answer is obviously “no,” and the debate is in itself a type of loaded question. I do not agree with abortion in the majority of the situations when they are performed for reasons other than the fetus being a person or not. For one, I don’t like killing even when it’s deemed justified such as in war or death sentence. As for abortion, and considering we only have one life to live, I believe it is better for a mother to not get pregnant than to get pregnant by accident (if that is even possible) and abort the fetus. You're also begging the question of legality, as you're giving the name of a crime to an act which may or may not be illegal depending on the laws of your country. Again, not the correct use of the phrase ‘begging the question,’ as PeterPundit mentioned. And the same can be said about “murdering someone walking on the street.” Side: yes
Personally I say yes, but really it all depends on your opinion of when life starts. I'm not going to try to change anyone's mind though. If you don't believe in abortion, then don't get one. If you believe in abortion, don't try to convince someone who doesn't like it that it's okay. Side: yes
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Especially if the mother is in danger by carrying the child full term. Also, many women are psychologically unable to carry a child to term to even give up for adoption if said child was the result of a sexual attack on her. There are other reasons, but those are personal choices for the mother. But I do not believe it is the same as murdering someone walking down the street. Side: No
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Why the quotations? A fetus is undoubtedly alive, unless its a dead fetus. while killing and murdering are not the same, they are both killing a human being. While killing different human beings, and different types of human beings, and in different situations may have a different character; fundamentally it is still killing. The person your referring to probably meant it was morally the same, which really depends on the moral system your useing. In short, well they may not be equivalent with each other, they are closely related. They are the same as a beagle and a Labrador are the same. Side: No
Disallowing abortions under the assumptions that the fetus has a right to life being that it is a creature in a parasitic relationship, and the host has no rights, is pure controlling, no matter how holy it seems. Besides moral argument given, you can look at the fetus as any other animal. If I kill an animal to make my life better, be it defence, or else. Am I evil? Side: No
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This is a tricky little question. The answer, I feel, is sort of "yes" and "no," but this is set up as a straw-man argument, which I don't care for. Aborting an innocent fetus that's just sitting there, doing his/her thing, is ending a life; murdering an innocent passerby that's just sitting there, doing his/her thing is ending a life. So they are the same. The motivations, presumably, are quite different. The circumstances are quite different. So it's different. Here's a really interesting "what if:" what if there was a mass murderer who's MO was to shoot a tiny needle through the belly of random pregnant women? In this magical world, this needle instantly murders the unborn child, but will not do lasting harm to the woman. This takes away the religious aspect of whether or not abortion is good/bad/wrong/right/necessary/etc... how would you feel if you read in the news that someone was randomly slaying people's unborn children? Outraged, right? How horrible! See, murdering a fetus is in some ways the same as murdering anyone else... people just don't want to see it that way because it's become a religious and political debate. But in the end, I'll stick with "no," because I had to create an alternate reality to make my point and this question is biasedly-worded anyway. There are too many differences in circumstance, methodology, and motivation to say that these are the "same" (a tricky term, in any case). I don't know why I answered this one. Side: No
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