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Is morality more than just an illusion?

Morality is often talked about similarly between those who subscribe to religious certitude and those who deny religion. But it is seldom questioned, could morality be nothing more than an illusion? Can you prove morality is a necessary factor in making life decisions? Comment below with your take on morality.

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Side Score: 24
3 points

Objective morality is certainly an illusion: mortality undoubtedly exists; however, it is entirely subjective (i.e relative to the individual).

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: No
2 points

There is no such thing as one true Objective and Undeniable Morality.

What we call morals are simply man-made ideas. Opinions. Rules.

They differ with cultures and ethnicities.

And, as a Biologist who believes that the Universe is teeming with inteligegent life, you can bet your ass that Morality varies wildly among different planets and their attendant civilizations.

I am sure that on some world, for example, it is perfectly acceptable to throw a female down and rape her right on the street in public, if you find her attractive and feel like doing so.

I am also pretty sure cold blooded murder is condoned on some planets.

Females rule some planets, and kill their mates after intercourse. (As some insects here on Earth do).

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, I believe so just for the very fact that morality is a very subjective term. For, example, people may say that a person having good morality/ethics does not harm a person, but a policeman/woman sure does arrest people on a trivial basis which in general could be pardoned without donning a legality cloak. For a hungry man, stealing some food might not be a very big deal, he would rather steal and eat than that moral and die, while it might be a very big deal for a pastor.

SO, subjective as it is, it's based more on a single person's perview than being a consolidated set of rules.

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes, I believe so just for the very fact that morality is a very subjective term. For, example, people may say that a person having good morality/ethics does not harm a person, but a policeman/woman sure does arrest people on a trivial basis which in general could be pardoned without donning a legality cloak. For a hungry man, stealing some food might not be a very big deal, he would rather steal and eat than that moral and die, while it might be a very big deal for a pastor.

People might say that a person having decent life plans does not harm a person, but a policeman/woman sure does hurt people on a daily basis.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: No

I believe it is a concept that is relative to where you live based on culture and your personal situation; it can be fluid depending upon your circumstances. For example: killing a person is normally immoral, but if it is done in self-defense it is considered acceptable in our country. In another country, Islam says it's OK to convert, or kill the infidel (ISIS) which is acceptable with them, but not here.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: No
1 point

If morality has to be define "My mind is morality". What one think and based on his thinking he choose to act. So, morality is just a state of mind which every one reacts according to them. It is more of a similar to once own opinion on a certain thing. What one person thinks about certain things and ways. As long we consider we human being are not illusion, there thought process cannot be an illusion. As morality being though process of mind it is not an illusion.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: No
1 point

Once again, you babble incoherently and, as always, there's reality, then there's what you think.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: No
1 point

""""Is morality more than just an illusion?"""////

If you ask others if morality is an illusion , no matter the answer that you get, they will be talking about the same ""illusion"". Which means it cannot be an illusion by definition.

Side: Yes
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

Recognizing the existence of the concept of morality is not recognizing the existence of objective morality in any way. That's like saying that because I recognize the word "Unicorn" refers to the concept of a mythological horse with a horn on its head, that means that simply by recognizing it, actual unicorns must exist.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: No
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: Yes
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: Yes
2 points

Most of the human experience is illusory. Politics, borders, religion, as well as morality: they are all fictions for which we fight so hard. The real world takes a back-seat to our fictions; to paraphrase Donald Trump: fuck the environment, all that matters is that we secure our borders and make America great again!

Well, America isn't going to be so great when the planet is falling to pieces (metaphorically). Religoin, politics, race, and to an similar level, morality etc. are all fine and dandy in their own place, but the real world is what matters most and what should be the primary concern. Without reality we cannot afford our illusions, yet so many people fight so much harder to protect their precious fictions than nature.

Side: No
1 point

Most of the human experience is illusory. Politics, borders, religion, as well as morality: they are all fictions for which we fight so hard. The real world takes a back-seat to our fictions; to paraphrase Donald Trump: fuck the environment, all that matters is that we secure our borders and make America great again!

Politics, borders and Love: they are all illusions that we accept blindly.

Side: Yes
nobodyknows(745) Disputed
1 point

You say the real world matters most and should be the primary concern. What you have done is make a value judgment and hence invoked morality. Morality is more than social and cultural norms. Whenever you make categorical imperatives or talk what is good or what matter most, you are talking about morality. You cannot get from an 'is' to an 'ought'. Just because the planet is falling apart, doesn't mean I ought to do anything about it. If you want to tell me that I should save the environment I ask you why? If you say because it is your duty, welcome to Kant's ethics. If you say because it's what a virtuous person would do, say hello to Aristotle. If you say because if I don't everyone will die and people are worth saving, you're probably in one of the camps of consequentialism, say hi to Bentham or Rawls.

My main point is you cannot escape moral judgements if you want to tell people what they should do or what they should value.

Side: Yes
Pantagruel(984) Disputed
2 points

The Decline and Fall of Planet Earth has little directly to do with morality. I did not say that it is anybody's duty to save the planet, for whatever reason; however, it is merely my interpretation of the facts that unless something is done to save the planet, everything which people do work for will be for naught, for there shan't be anybody around to notice it.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: Yes
1 point

Our sense of morality is an evolved human trait. How morality is expressed changes depending on a number of factors, but this doesn't make it an illusion.

Similar to shelter; the fact that it takes different forms in different climates and cultures does not make it meaningless. Some houses are built better than others. Some homes are better at keeping out the weather. And some forms of morality are better for human existence than others.

Just as some homes are more functional, some moral perspectives are better. Some moral wrongs are actually wrong.

Side: No
Harvard(666) Disputed
1 point

Some moral wrongs are actually wrong.

But not objectively wrong, right? Or are you suggesting that traits which contribute to the continuation of humanity are objectively good traits (which would be assuming that it is objectively necessary for such continuation)?

Side: Yes
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

Some houses are objectively better than other houses. But houses are only necessary to humans. Rather than debate this, why don't you just re-read the last 4 times we debated this.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: Yes
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

If you had slightly better reading comprehension you would see that I am actually arguing for the existence of right and wrong, as well as an objective basis for it.

Perhaps you felt the need to back-peddle on your sarcastic comment because you were worried that I might take you seriously and take your advise.

Let me put your mind at ease. Whether you are serious or joking, neither I nor any right minded individual is likely to take your advise on anything whatsoever. If you enjoy telling me to kill myself, go right ahead. You are sufficiently unpersuasive.

Side: No
1 point

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Side: No
1 point

If one has to say for sure that this is not illusion everything can be doubted as this thing exist or not. Everything can be termed illusion

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: Yes

Morality can't be more than an illusion. It's based upon religion, which is based upon nothing. I'm still not murdering random people ore stealing, because I like that illusion.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your intelligence is an illusion when in reality you are not really a person but are an illusory manifestation of chemical reactions releasing energy. You are not you, "you" is a euphemism of reality. Reality is that "you" are nothing, material is everything. It really makes no difference how much time you have, it really makes no difference if you blow your brains out.

THANKS!!!!!

I hope this helps!!!!!!!!

Have a nice dey!!!!

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Don't kill yourself, I was being sarcastic of the stupidity of not knowing right from wrong.

Side: Yes