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42
Yes it's as real as all others No its made up and retarded
Debate Score:65
Arguments:33
Total Votes:82
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 Yes it's as real as all others (15)
 
 No its made up and retarded (18)

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Is scientology a real religion?

Is it just me, or is Tom Cruise crazy?

Yes it's as real as all others

Side Score: 23
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No its made up and retarded

Side Score: 42
2 points

Bottom line is that even though the teachings of Scientology are completely insane it still is a religion just for the fact that people want it to be. Especially in America where you have the "freedom" of religion...I don't believe Mormonism or JW should be accepted either, they are null in void in the mainstream religious views in my opinion, but my opinion means nothing people still follow those religions making them a religion

Side: BD
xaeon(1093) Disputed
4 points

"..it still is a religion just for the fact that people want it to be."

Not really. There are laws regarding what is and isn't a religion. In regards to the UK (where I am from), Scientology is not a recognised religion, and was even denied charity status.

From Wikipedia: "The Church of Scientology has been recognized as a religion in its home country, the United States,[2] and has received full recognition in various other countries such as Italy,[2] Taiwan,[2] South Africa,[3] Australia,[4] Sweden[5], New Zealand,[6] Portugal[7] and Spain;[8] it thus enjoys and regularly cites the constitutional protection afforded in these nations to its religious practice. Some countries, mostly in Europe, have regarded Scientology as a potentially dangerous cult, or at least have not considered local branches of the Church of Scientology to meet the legal criteria for being considered religion-supporting organizations.[9]"

Regardless of whether some countries accept it as a religion, if a large amount of other countries refuse to accept it as a religion, than it is obviously faltering in its ability to call itself a real religion.

Side: No its made up and retarded
sparsely(496) Disputed
3 points

So you're saying only the State has the power to establish religion?

Spiritual legitimacy is only a legal decree?

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
altarion(1955) Disputed
2 points

But it doesn't follow the basic guidelines that a religion must follow to truly be a religion, therefore it cannot be a religion!

Side: No its made up and retarded
2 points

"Religion of humanity, a name sometimes given to a religion founded upon positivism as a philosophical basis." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

A COMMON assumption is that religion has to do with man and God, but that is false. Look up religion in the dictionary. If it had to do strictly with supernatural forces, then the definition would not go as far as adhering to the 9 different definitions it has.

Scientology fits right into the definition of "religion of humanity." If anything, it's probably a more pure religion than any other religion in existence, being that it has been taking into consideration today's world. It's more like a new world religion. Naturally, it's going to seem psychotic to most people; but how do you think Jews perceive Christianity, and how do you think Mormons perceive Catholicism and so on and on? If you ask me, the bottom line is that every religion is fkn insane, period. Whether it's Christianity or Scientology. The fact is, religion gives people a sense of being in this world; not everyone NEEDS a deity to feel like they have a purpose here. With that said, yes, Scientology is a religion. And furthermore, claiming Tom Cruise or any other scientologist an idiot is ignorant; you don't even know them; You have zero grounds for your claim of thinking you're better than them. Second, if you want to call scientology ridiculous, do be prepared to accept calling every other religion ridiculous too.

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
1 point

how dare these people call Scientology not a religion what if i told you a snake is going to crawl up a tree and speak to you and tell you, you cant eat from the tree because you would be damned from the garden of Eden? would you believe that? what about someone parting the sea so the slaves of Egypt can cross? you cannot call it ridiculous because everything we follow is ridiculous!

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
1 point

Scientology's beginnings are no different than the beginnings of Mormonism, Christianity, or any other religion. The only difference is that the latter two have been around long enough for their crazy beliefs, founders, and the ruthless tactics they've used to found their religion have become obscured by time.

To most outsiders, they don't see the doctrines, they just see a large body of believers with "good intentions" and consider the religion legitimate on this basis alone.

Give it another fifty to one hundred years, and Scientology will be as much of an established and accepted religion as any other.

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
1 point

I like scientology, although when I first read about it I didn't think it was real.

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
5 points

A common definition for religion is, "A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny." Whereas the Church of Scientology claims that "Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths." (http://www.scientology.org/religion/presentation/pg006.html) Which is NOT within the favored definition of a religion and therefore should not be considered one.

Side: No its made up and retarded
3 points

Scientology is all self-introspection (is that a word?). There is no diety involved. No leap of faith or belief system required. Nope...not religion.

Side: No its made up and retarded
sparsely(496) Disputed
0 points

Don't enturbulate.

Xenu would be pretty pissed about you discounting the entire belief system.

You need to audit yourself.

(oh,and introspection is a word, but saying "self-introspection" is redundant...drop the self-)

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
sparsely(496) Disputed
1 point

Xenu packing us all into a volcano isn't a belief in a supernatural power that controls human destiny?

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How so?

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
3 points

L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer, a bad one, who just happens to be the father of a "religion" touting space aliens inhabiting our brains. Is there any doubt it's made up?

"Xenu . . . was the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Scientology holds that their essences remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm."

Is there any doubt it's retarded?

Supporting Evidence: Xenu (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: No its made up and retarded
3 points

Hahaha! So true! I mean, Scientologists take their beliefs way too far! L. Ron Hubbard's stories were all fictional. So where do Scientologists get off believing that they have a real religion? Its just too rediculous to believe and I am so confused as to how they are able to recruit new believers and get them so fanatic about this belief that is NOT a religion!

Side: No its made up and retarded
sparsely(496) Disputed
0 points

How is this significantly different from any other religion?

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
sparsely(496) Disputed
1 point

Joseph Smith Jr. was a crazy puritan who claimed the Native Americans were a lost tribe of Israel, and that he found special tablets that Jesus left behind on his post-resurrection tour of the West that only he could read with magic glasses.

He was killed by an angry mob who shot him and his cohorts in a jail cell like rabid dogs because, just like Scientology, they were litigious, contentious, and colluded with local government to squelch dissent and criticism.

Is there any doubt Mormonism is retarded?

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
2 points

Scientology isn't a religion, but it's closer to the truth.

Side: No
1 point

no it is not!!!!!!!!!!!!! i mean tom cruise and john travoler support it what is worse than that. i mean they are both retards hands down!!!!! it is not a religion it is an accuse for being an idiot

Side: No its made up and retarded
sparsely(496) Disputed
1 point

Correction: Religion is an excuse for being an idiot.

Let's not single any specific group of wackos out for ridicule, there's plenty to go around.

Side: Yes it's as real as all others
1 point

LOL. A religion has to have a God, they just have a set of beliefs. It is clearly science fiction, i mean the founder was a science fiction writer, coincidence? obviously not, he even got busted many times for molesting children. What religion would, charge there members to learn about there beliefs? A religion which is a scam, which is only out to get your money. South Park got it spot on! Matt and Trey are 2 very brave men as scientology has a reputation for harassing people who publicly speak the obvious truth about there 'religion'. Scientology pressures people into becoming members by scaring them, being pushy and feeding on their insecurities. It is a 'religion' which has ruined many peoples lives, and put many people out of pocket, and they even give there members a one way ticket to hell, if you believe in hell, L. Ron Hubbard's probably having sex with Satan right now.

Side: No its made up and retarded
1 point

No religion is real, they are all made up (fake) - but then reality is what you can get away with

Side: No its made up and retarded

It is just made up it's no such thing.

Side: No its made up and retarded
1 point

retarted fake!!!!!!!!!!! someone just made it up and dumb

Side: No its made up and retarded
0 points

Anybody who believes it must be nuts. L. Ron Hubbard wrote hundreds of sci-fi novels - who in their right mind would believe in an alien religion started by a sci-fi writer? Hubbard was also a so-called 'inventor' who 'invented' a device that measures the pain felt by tomatoes when they are cut open. Sane? I think not.

Side: No its made up and retarded
1 point

Well scientology was discovered in the 20th century so to me it is more real than Christianity or any other religion because something being passed down for 2 thousand years is gonna get twisted in the process and messed up and translated wrong

Side: No its made up and retarded
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
1 point

It is still around after fifty years. That is not much of an accomplishment. Look at Judaism, been around for thousands and still fairly strong.

Side: No its made up and retarded