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No way. That many people applaud it as such is a little disturbing to me too. If someone breaks into my home I will give them the chance to leave. If they come at me or my family then yes, shooting them is in self defense. But if they are running away then by its very action, it is not self-defense because you have become the danger, not them.
In this great nation of ours, it's NOT a matter of what you or I think he deserves. It's a matter of LAW. Like it or not, a fleeing criminal has the same rights you do, to NOT get shot in the back..
Of course.. I would have explained the law to poochy boy, but he wouldn't understand it..
It's pretty simple.. You may claim self defense ONLY if you're cornered and there are NO avenues of escape.. If you CAN escape and choose NOT to, it's NOT self defense. It's murder..
Stand your ground laws say you DON'T have to take that avenue of escape.. You can STAND YOUR GROUND and KILL somebody.. But, not every state has stand your ground laws.
But, even stand your ground laws don't allow you to shoot somebody in the back.. That has NOTHING to do with self defense, and EVERYTHING to do with vengeance..
I agree. It really is that simple. They pose zero threat if they are running away from you. None, nada, nothing. If you shoot them after the threat to your life is over then it's not for protection, it's for vindictiveness, vengeance and pride.
Mint if someone breaks into your home you are just going to give them a chance to leave ?
Yes. Absolutely. My personal property is not worth more than someone's life. I don't care about my television. I do care about the life of the person trying to break in if they mean no harm to my family. For all I know it could be just some punk kid doing something stupid. It could be a mistaken identity like someone trying to get their property back. Could be someone just plain desperate. I don't encourage that kind of stupidity but I do know that some people aren't bad by nature. So yes, again, as long as they don't try to go at my family they will leave in tact.
I don't care if the criminal is fleeing the criminal will die of lead poisoning !
Then you would be a murderer. It isn't self-defense if they aren't a threat, by them running away they are not a threat.
Got to love you Leftist that have all the love for the criminal !
It shouldn't be a Left or a Right thing to care for life more than objects.
Mint if you care about the criminal entering your home which is your space and you are going to just let them have what they want then you care more about criminals then protecting your property which does not surprise me for someone on the Left.
You misunderstand. When I catch them, I am going to let them leave. If they have the balls to walk out with a television while my gun is pointed at them then fine, at that point they almost deserve it. But my gun will be pointed at them. If they are running away, they will be fine. The MOMENT they try to come at my family is the moment they stop walking. Taking a persons life should be hard, but celebrating a would be robbers death when they were killed while trying to flee shows a lack of compassion that I find quite frankly sad. Especially since the people usually cheering the death are the same ones that say morality doesn't exist anymore and we should go back to teaching it to our children. Property should never be more valuable than life.
Mint is going to catch the criminals that enter her private space and just let them leave. If you won't shoot an intruder in your home then why have a gun ?
I already answered that twice. I have the gun in case they don't leave and try to come at my family. Pay attention. Are you that scared that you think a person running away from you is still a threat?
Oh Mint you fail to pay attention so listen if a criminal breaks into my residence i will gladly send them out in a body bag. What you are unaware of is once the criminal breaks into private property the criminal becomes a threat that should be eliminated. You don't see it that way that's your view but not mine.
I haven't failed to pay attention, I've responded multiple times to your statements and told you why I think it's wrong. If you shoot a fleeing criminal, he is not the threat, you are. You aren't fearing for your life if he is running away.
Either you are intentionally twisting what I say to fill some sort of notion you have, or you just sincerely aren't understanding what I say. The first makes you dishonest, the second calls into question your intelligence.
Shooting a criminal that has committed a crime like home invasion can be shot if the homeowner is armed makes no difference if that criminal is fleeing or not a crime has been committed and the homeowner has the right to protect themselves and their property. Seems you Leftist think the criminals have more rights than those they perpetuating crimes against which does not surprise me at all.
If that criminal is fleeing there is no protection needed. That is what you aren't getting. They are running away, not running towards, there is a distinct difference. Property is just stuff. That person you are murdering has a family, has friends....all of which will mourn the person. Perhaps they made a stupid choice, perhaps it was just a kid, who knows, but stop fooling yourself if you think you are protecting something when they are running away from you.
Mint if a criminal is fleeing it means that a crime was committed what don't you understand about that. Are you protectionist of criminals ? Fleeing criminals from an armed bank robbery can't be shot in the back ? I mean really ! You have shown that you see no problem with criminals in fact you have shown you support such activity and again that is not surprising of the Left.
Mint if a criminal is fleeing it means that a crime was committed what don't you understand about that.
The criminal is FLEEING. Do you think if he runs away from you he is still a threat? That's lopsided logic.
Are you protectionist of criminals ?
Life is more important than your property or pride. I thought you Righties valued life....is this not the case?
You have shown that you see no problem with criminals in fact you have shown you support such activity and again that is not surprising of the Left.
Point out exactly where I said I support criminal activity. Because if that is what you have gotten from what I've been saying, repeatedly, then again we fall back on you are either being dishonest or you are just being stupid. So you point out exactly where I said I'm in support of a person committing a crime. And don't pull some BS of by saying "well if you don't support shooting a person in the back as they run away from you after they tried to rob you then you must be A-OK at being robbed" because that's a level of stupid I didn't think you were capable of.
I've just explained to you once that he isn't a criminal. Criminal is a legal terminology for someone who has been convicted of a crime. The burden of proof is upon you to establish he committed a crime in a court of law and he does not become a criminal until then. That is the way the law works: the same law you keep trying to invoke as an argument about why it is OK to shoot him.
A criminals life is not more important than the crime that criminal wanted to commit against me or my property.
The law does not give you the arbitrary right to shoot people because you "think" they might have the intention (i.e. want) to commit a crime. You are talking pure, unadulterated bullshit. If I flick your ear then clearly my life is more important than that crime, or indeed any crime which does not involve me trying to kill you.
The Level of Stupidity is shown by you saying you can't shoot a fleeing criminal
Mint already explained this to you but you simply refuse to acknowledge anything which disproves your own arguments. If a person is running away from you then they are not a threat. Indeed, if they are running away from you this indicates that YOU are the threat.
Shut up Stupid not talking about intention if a criminal wants to enter private property and commit a crime as a armed property owner i have the right to shoot to kill and not a DA nor a Grand Jury in America would ever convict me of a crime. I didn't enter their space they entered mine whether you like it or not i have the right to protect myself and my property.
Where did I justify it? Go on. Take your time. Read through all of the arguments again, you tell me where I said it's ok to commit a crime and where I said it's justified. I don't mean you misconstruing what I say, I mean where exactly did I say it.
Again. Where did I say a criminal running away is not a criminal? And before you try to circle back to "you need to protect yourself" which is what you've been apt to do, what do you need to protect yourself from if the criminal is running away?
When a criminal commits a crime they need to be put down. Will a DA prosecute a armed home owner for shooting a criminal that commits a home invasion ?
Gun advocates like to fantasize that even shooting a suspect in the back is justified as long as an attempted crime preceded it, but if they ever do it themselves they'll be in for a big surprise. When I sat in my gun safety class as a prerequisite for getting a carry permit a judge specializing in gun cases came in and talked and answered questions. Quite emphatically, if you use a gun against another human even though you had other options to secure the safety of you and your family then the book is going to get thrown at you.
Don't believe me? Well then try it, cowboy.
And just for the sake of other arguments, it's possible they turned to run because:
a) they were being coerced or controlled by someone else who was the real criminal and this was finally their opportunity to escape the situation, or
b) either for you or for them it's a case of mistaken identity, or
c) either for you of for them some sort of mental illness is at play.
A criminal that breaks into your home and you can't shoot them ? Boston Boy you sure had a different opinion on the Canadian shooting the criminal ! LMMFAO got to like how twisted into knots you Leftist are.
OK. I'm still with you on this one then. My one disclaimer though is it says these are just "pending" charges, meaning he isn't actually being prosecuted for it yet, and they listed some good behavior requirements officers say he needs to do between now and the court appearance. So I don't know how Canadian law typically works but perhaps it's not abnormal to list potential charges as pending and then wipe them out if the person remains on good behavior(?) I mean, he isn't currently locked away awaiting trial. And that hints they may not do anything about these charges.
But you say today if you shoot a criminal according to a judge you heard the book will be thrown at you !!!!!!!!! LMMFAO do you Leftist know where you stand ?
Moral or immoral, if we are going with the situation of a burglar entering your home, it is self defense. You are defending your property and you have the right to do so thanks to the founding fathers and a little document called the constitution. If that burglar is stupid/brave enough to enter your home or business, armed or unarmed, they should know that one consequence could be getting a bullet sized hole in their back while they attempt to flee the scene.
