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Yes, it is 6,000 years old No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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Is the Earth 6,000 years old, or 4.5 billion years old?

I believe the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.  I think the Earth came from the sun, a group of debris which collected and formed a planet, gradually cooling until life was able to form.  I do not think that the Earth is 6,000 years old, created spontaneously by a God before the sun was made.

 

What do you think and what is your proof for your stance?

Yes, it is 6,000 years old

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No, it's 4.5 billion years old

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I'm not sure that the earth is 4.5 billion years old but I am damn sure it is older than 6000 years. Why? Because I am older than 6000 years! Just kidding.

There is good reason to doubt the abolute accuracy of carbon dating and other methods of calculating the age of things, but there can be no doubt that, give or take a few hundreds of thousands of years, these techiques are valid to some extent. 4.5 billion years is a little too tidy a number, but I believe the earth is around this in age. The scientists who work with the wonderful machines that sense extremely tiny concentrations of isomers are on the right track, in my opinion. God has given us these complex problems to solve and I can't help feeling that He is not disappointed when we solve one.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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I'm not sure that the earth is 4.5 billion years old but I am damn sure it is older than 6000 years

Earth is 4.54 billion years old

Age of Earth - Wikipedia

The earth is 4.54 billion years old, give or take roughly 5 million years.

There is good reason to doubt the abolute accuracy of carbon dating and other methods of calculating the age of things, but there can be no doubt that, give or take a few hundreds of thousands of years, these techiques are valid to some extent.

The correct term would be radiometric dating. Radiocarbon dating is a type of that radiometric dating. The absolute accuracy? Of course. But why should a few hundred thousand years matter when we are talking scales of billions at this point?

God has given us these complex problems to solve and I can't help feeling that He is not disappointed when we solve one.

There is no credible evidence that god has given us these problems to solve. Nor is there credible evidence for God in the first place.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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Thanks for the information. You know, when I feel tired, I sit down to rest and expect no one to do the same. When I feel God, I respond and don't expect a similar response from anyone. You are absolutely right about there being no credible evidence for God - there is no credible evidence, that I can pass on, for the headache I have this morning.

It seems odd doesn't it that the age of the earth is given in three significant digits, 4.54 billion, but the absolute error is given as one, plus or minus 5 billion, not plus or minus .050 billion? So the age of the earth might be as high as 9.54 billion or as low as minus (!) 0.46 billion. Imagine, the earth might not even be here yet. Wikipedia is wonderful; another bible you might say.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old

For now, we say that it is 4.5 billion years old. It might change in the future though

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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Yeah it will change in about .1 billion years .

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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That's not likely.

Doing a quick google search, I tried to see (yet again) if there were any credible websites saying that radiometric dating is inaccurate or likely to be false.

The only thing I found were christian apologetic websites that disagree with radiometric dating. And they don't disagree with it on scientific grounds, they attempt to pass their pseudo science as actual science.

We know the real reason why they refuse to believe radiometric dating is because it disagrees with their sacred bible which can never be wrong.

I cannot find a single scientific website or scientific organization that doubts the science behind radiometric dating. Instead, the creationists want to assume that all the scientists are conspiring against them. Or that most scientists are actually on the creationist side.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
jonathangoh(1726) Clarified
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The internet is not always accurate. .

Side: Yes, it is 6,000 years old
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Don't know the exact time, but surely not created by Mr.God....... because create means made - topic over. A thing created doesn't change. But as everything evolves according to theory of evolution. It is not made, it is evolution....!! And I answered because you said "a god" indicating an ordinary term....

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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The internet isn't always accurate, it's true, but there are certainly some scientific and government websites that always try to be accurate. Not everything is a .com.

And we know a maximum age of the earth. This is where planets come from:

1. A cloud of gas slowly condenses due to gravity, begins rotating and heating up.

2. After millions of years, the gas heats up enough for the particles to begin a nuclear process, an explosion occurs, and a star is born. This is called a first generation star because the gases that made it did not come from a previous dead star.

3. It goes through its life cycle and explodes again at the end. Debris is ejected out of that explosion, such as iron, helium, etc. The heavier materials like iron slow down and stop moving away from the star first due to gravity. Lighter materials slow later on. This is why the inner planets are rocky and the outer ones are gaseous.

4. The debris from this condenses into another star. The debris around the new protostar condenses over millions of years into round shapes because of their rotation and revolution.

5. A series of planets is born.

Obviously, a first generation star cannot have planets because it has no debris from an explosion. Our sun is either a second or third generation star. Stars at different stages of their life will have different concentrations of certain elements. These can be measured using spectroscopy (which wavelengths of light the particles give off).

Using spectroscopy, we have determined the sun to be 5 billion years old with approximately (I use this word because a star is more unpredictable at the end half of its life than the first) 5 billion more years before it dies.

Since planets come from stars, there is no way the earth is older than the sun-5 billion. Also, it takes quite a bit of time for all that debris to become a planet. About 5 million years. That (along with many, many other pieces of evidence) shows that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. If it were 9 billion years old, our sun would have to be 10 billion years old, and would be going through death throes right now. If we weren't even 1 billion years old, then the earth would be too molten and toxic for anything to live on.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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I would love to explain this. This question arose 2 years ago before me.

According to Christians God created

the world only six thousand years ago. It is absolute nonsense, because in India we have found

cities of great culture and civilization -- Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, which Christian explorers, Christian scientists were excavating. They could not believe it -- God destroyed those cities

seven thousand years ago... before God created the world! And in Peking, China, the skeleton of

a man has been found called the Peking Man, which is eighty thousand years old.

Certainly the world is far more ancient than your God. Perhaps man created God six thousand

years ago -- that may be right. But idiots are idiots....

One great scholarly bishop was very much puzzled about the Peking Man, about Harappa and

Mohenjo Daro, and about the claim of a man who lived in Poona, a famous scholar, Lokmanya

Tilak, that the Hindu Vedas are ninety thousand years old.

And his evidence is such that it cannot be contradicted. His evidence is not logical but scientific,

astronomical.

In the Rigveda, a certain constellation of stars is described in absolute detail; this happened,

according to scientists, ninety thousand years ago. Unless Rigveda was written by people who

had seen that constellation they could not have described it in detail, and since then that

constellation has not happened again. Perhaps sometime in the future it may happen, but for

ninety thousand years it has not happened. The description is a solid proof that Rigveda was

written by people who had seen the constellation; without seeing that constellation there is no

way for them to have described which star was in which position. And they have described it so

scientifically that there is no possibility of making any improvement on it.

On the Himalayas, on top of the highest peaks of the Himalayas, sea animals' skeletons have

been found. That simply means that at a certain time -- perhaps a hundred million years before -

- there was an ocean in place of the Himalayas. Otherwise, sea animals cannot move from the

ocean, pass through the whole of India and go on top of the Himalayas to die there.

The only possibility is -- and this is now a scientific fact -- the Himalayas arose out of the ocean.

And as they arose out of the ocean, many animal fossils must have remained on these tops. The

Himalayas went on being forced up and these fossils were covered in snow. And as this vast

range of mountains called the Himalayas rose, the ocean receded.

The Hind Mahasagar, the great Indian Ocean, used to be where the Himalayas are -- one

hundred million years ago. Those animals prove it, because they are one hundred million years

old. There are ways to judge how old a skeleton is, and now those methods are absolutely

accurate.

The bishop was mad, because it was all going against the Bible. So he invented a theory -- this is

why I say a fanatic will not see the truth; he will try to continue his belief in a lie, will make all

kinds of excuses. This excuse is certainly worth understanding. The bishop invented a theory

that God created the world six thousand years ago as it is told in the Bible, but, as he is allpowerful, he created sea animals and put them on top of the Himalayas. And he created them so that they would appear one hundred million years old. He created the Harappa and Mohenjo

Daro ruins making them appear seven thousand years old; the Peking Man as if it is eighty

thousand yeas old... just to test the Christians' faith! What a great logic!

God seems to be a con man: "It is just a question of your faith."

But the fact is, this earth is four thousand million years old according to science. e. And man is at

least one million years old..!!

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
DeformLux(105) Clarified
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The Rigveda is not 90,000 years old. This would place it in the paleolithic era. Hinduism (and writing systems) are not nearly that old.

Also, God was not created 6,000 years ago. The first monotheism was probably in Egypt, but was short-lived and ended when the Phaoroh who started it died. Judaism is not quite 6,000 years old either.

However, your argument about the Himalayas is correct. It used to be flat and covered by water, but the collision of the Indian continent into Eurasia caused the mountains to spring up in a relatively short time, taking many fossils of extinct sea creatures with it.

Side: Yes, it is 6,000 years old
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Rocks. Rocks are amazing, and take millions of years to form. We have rocks, the earth is older than 6000 yrs.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old
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You're right. Rocks either form from cooling lava, extreme pressure and heat in the crust, or the pressing together of many sediments. This takes more than 6,000 years.

We have also found that the continents fit together and used to be one. We have found fossils of the same extinct animals on the shores of two continents across oceans. The separation of the world takes more than 6,000 years as well.

I saw one creationist "scholar" who said that the reason the continents are now separated (and how it happened in a short time) was because of a vague passage of the Bible. He said that there was a child named... I think it was Eber "because the world was divided in those days". The writer believes that Eber was named after a catastrophic event which divided all of the continents in a few minutes.

Know how many miles a second the continents would have to travel to move thousands of miles in a few seconds? All life would go extinct and immense tsunamis would kill off anything that might have survived.

Also, an event like this would get more of a reference in the Bible than one sentence. A guy getting swallowed by a fish got more coverage than that.

Even if it happened and everyone survived, there would be geological evidence showing everything being ripped apart a few thousand years before. There is none.

How would it happen anyway? Continents suddenly moving at that speed would take immense energy. So how did that happen? That guy made a terrible argument.

Side: No, it's 4.5 billion years old