Is the Proletariat Revolution into a Utopian Society possible?
All throughout the Western world, we see a general movement toward socialism. The question is, will society take the extra step and completely revolutionize the way government, business and economy interact with eachother? Will the hands of the many stop being the thrones for the few?
I am intentionally leaving the question open for interpretation. Feel free to discuss this along any avenue you see fit.
Yes.
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Absolutely. It is indeed a very good movement as people will live better lives, in that they will have a more sociable government which is more for the people, more investments made into the things that matter, such as science, health and research, more support for the general populace, and less hindrance on peoples rights in general meaning a more liberal society, all while having everyone get paid for their type of work appropriately. In socialism businesses are not excluded, but they do not be given so much control that they can negatively hinder or affect the rights of others in any way. Capitalism isn't really as good as socialism, because in a capitalistic nation, corporations take place of the people. it ends up evolving to a point in which people don't represent people, corporations do, and corporations can do whatever they want. a corporation isn't a living entity, and it shouldn't be treated like one either, they are after themselves and no one else. Side: Yes.
A really good example of a socialistic nation is Sweden, they have a very high standard of living, their education is free, health care is free, security is free, there are many welfare systems for the people, new businesses are blooming, there are no or extremely few homeless people as you would practically have to deliberately choose to be homeless, they are well educated showing far better education that the U.S, have a high GDP per capita, better unionization, and the countless other benefits, systems, and programs. There are downsides though, Sweden does have high taxation of 55% which goes back into the countless welfare systems and other programs, but if everyone can be happy, and still afford a good high standard life style, its not a bad system. Side: Yes.
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I think the issue of Tax Rate is irrelevant in a society where it all returns to you. They could tax me 100% if i was guaranteed that my needs and wants were taken care of. Then again, i've never been one to care about money too much. It's just the current means to the end. It's only worth as much as we say it is, so in my humble opinion, doesn't matter. Side: Yes.
hmm, i wonder who could have possibly down voted this, and why?? because when i look at the argument activity it has received 2 up votes, and has 2 points total, so someone must have down voted it. Its certainly not that i'm making ludicrous statements with no reasoning at all, nor are any of my statements outrageous. This is well thought out, plus i provided an example below because when i was editing someone voted it up so i had to place my Sweden example in a second one, so if someone is going to down vote this they need to give a really good reason below. Side: Yes.
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I personally believe that socially, Capitalism is unsustainable. People are underpaid for their work as a necessity for profit and this breeds contempt for the powers that be. Eventually, with the help of someone particularly charismatic, the proletariat of the world will rise from their knees and take what is their right to have. Control of the means of production from the board room to an open forum where the input of all people are valued equally. Side: Yes.
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It has happened repeatedly during history. There were hundreds of communist societies during the Spanish revolution and in the Russian free zones. This means communism in the sense that Marx originally meant, free from the state. Though not in the sense of an inevitable future utopia. Side: Yes.
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Government CAN NOT exists in a Utopian Society by definition. Government is NOT compatible with a Utopian society. Governments create problems in order to justify their existence. That doesn't sound very Utopian to me. Governments favor one group over another (poor vs rich, gays vs hetero, men vs women, etc.). That doesn't sound very Utopian to me. Russia tried communism, it failed. China is communist, it's having problems. America is capitalist, it's having problems (with liberal socialists ;), Europe is socialist, it's having problems. Government is the problem, not the solution. A proletariat revolution to take over and replace the current form of government with another form, will not lead to a Utopian Society. Side: No.
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Well, I'd say that the concept of government is not the problem. It's the number of governments that causes the problem. When you have multiple governments jockeying for position as world powers, you breed problems. The idea I was suggesting is a world that has no borders, no nations and no flags. One government, made for the people, by the people with the people's interests the first and foremost issue in all debates within the world state. a New World Order, if you're a fan of conspiracy theories. By the way, I use the term "government" loosely, due to the lack of a better term in my vocabulary. Side: Yes.
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Good lord I shore hope not. Them communists get the Killing fever about them to damn often. I'm thinken I might be one of the first ones to go, never was to good at keeping my damn mouth shut whenever I smell bullshit and I got this habit of thinking for myself and as I understand it communists don't take kindly to that either. Side: No.
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