Is the carnage on American streets the price we must pay for freedom?
No other high-income country has suffered such a high death toll from gun violence. Every day, more than 110 Americans die at the end of a gun, including suicides and homicides, an average of 40,620 per year. Since 2009, there has been an annual average of 19 mass shootings, when defined as shootings in which at least four people are killed. The US gun homicide rate is as much as 26 times that of other high-income countries; its gun suicide rate is nearly 12 times higher.
Gun control opponents have typically framed the gun violence epidemic in the US as a symptom of a broader mental health crisis.
Where do we go from here?
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Nahh. We can DO better
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What causes massacres are ridiculously lax gun laws COMBINED WITH a lack of socialization by low intelligence, at risk young men through poor parenting COMBINED WITH a culture of violence perpetuated by the entertainment industries where violent criminal behaviour, especially gang behaviour, violence towards women, revenge behaviour, and the concept that Real Men are viloent men who can shoot people down without remorse or pity, COMBINED WITH the debilitating effects of illegal drugs, also promoted and glamourised by the entertainment industries, will cause your society to go right off the rails. Concentrating all efforts on just one factor which is causing such harm to US society, is simply scapegoating by the supporters of the other factors. Gun laws are a litmus paper test of how strong and socially cohesive, or how sick your society has become. Strong cohesive societies like Switzerland or Israel have very lax gun laws because their societies are srong and socially cohesive. US society is sick and getting sicker. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
Well, it's the price we all have to pay for the underlying asinine nature of the American people. It would be impossible for anyone with a titter-of-wit not to recognize the connection between a nation which has the most liberal gun ownership regulations in the world along with the corresponding highest number of mass shootings. The other unfortunate feature of this never ending saga of carnage is the lack of executive ability of America's local and national administrations. For instance, someone on this site made the valid point that Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the country. BUT the gun check system ''broke down completely'' in the Highland shooting. Not much point in having gun regulatory measures in place if the nation can't find sufficient numbers of people within its population to enforce and effectively administer such laws. Those who argue for the maintenance of the existing gun laws either have a vested commercial interest or are a horde totally and utterly brainless shit-heads. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
The other chilling feature about The American Psyche' is that we have become dehumanized and numbed to the every-day slaughter in out towns and cities. This expected daily massacre of our citizens, men, women and CHILDREN has become an accepted element of ''The American way of life'' and has spawned an ever-growing mob of mindless morons who try to prove that such butchery is reasonable and any criticism or the the daily bloodbath is nothing more than politically motivated propaganda supported by the biased media. There is only one way to significantly reduce the shameful and heart-breaking death toll in our country and that is a complete overhaul of the gun laws and to realign the 2nd amendment to be more commensurate with present day society. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
Take note and heed the message in the comparative figures between civilians killed by Russian military forces in Ukraine and the self-inflicted slaughter on the streets of our own urban areas. The murder of Ukrainian civilians by the Russian military up to 30th June 2022;- 4,432 . Number of GUN RELATED DEATHS in the U.S.A., SO FAR IN 2022;- 17,199. And we wonder why, or at least should be curious why the rest of the free world view us as savages. It is an impotent exercise to try to demonize the demands for much stricter gun control by politicizing the wailful cries for our gun laws to be more in-sync with the rest of the civilized world. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY? WHY DO WE UNASHAMEDLY ACCEPT THE SLAUGHTER OF OUR CITIZENS. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
The only problem with your thinking, Mr Norwich, is that here in NSW Australia our society was the safest at a time when our gun laws were almost non existent. Even today, those areas of Australia which have the most firearms per head of population are the safest communities to be in. Many Australian country towns have never had an armed robbery in their entire history. Australia's homicide rate is 1.8 per 100,000. The US rate is 9.8 per 100,000. But if all the people murdered by guns in the USA are taken right out of your homicide statistics entirely. the US rate would still be double that of Australia's. You don't need to be a Mensa to figure out that something other than the mere presence of firearms is responsible for Americans killing Americans at a much higher rate than Australians kill Australians. Even a Densa like you should be able to figure that out. Side: Yup
The only problem with your thinking, Mr Norwich, is that here in NSW Australia our society was the safest at a time when our gun laws were almost non existent. Hello B: It too, was safe to walk American streets prior to August 1, 1966. After stabbing his mother and his wife to death the previous night, Charles Whitman, a Marine veteran, took rifles and other weapons to the observation deck atop the Main Building tower at the University of Texas at Austin, and then opened fire indiscriminately on people, Over the next 96 minutes he shot and killed 14 people. In the ensuing 50 years, dozens, and dozens, and even more dozens of American citizens copy him.. Now, I don't know why they do that, but we can certainly STOP 'em from getting weapons of war, and figure out WHY later.. By the by. Apparently, your country isn't as peaceful as you'd have us believe.. In the last two decades of the 20th century, following several high-profile killing sprees, your country changed.. These days, you're REQUIRED to have a license to own a firearm, aren't you? The rate of such killings went DOWN after that requirement, didn't they?? Nuff said. excon Side: Nahh. We can DO better
Well shithead, like all descendants from Europe's BALL & CHAIN criminals you present your wholly fabricated counter-argument in true BOGAN STYLE. Your chosen avatar title illustrates that your mother's interbreeding with kangaroos hasn't affected your ability to recognize your stunted intellect. How many kangaroos has your mother slept with? Any brainless fuck could reason that if a nation has a larger than the global average of violent criminals then all measures designed to keep such criminal activity under control should be employed. A half-witted blind man on a galloping horse could see that self-evident truth from a mile off, but I guess a hopping mad marsupial can't just figure that one out. Do try to keep up old bean. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
Hi excon. Gun laws in my home state of NSW were once almost non existent, and mass murders involving firearms did not happen at all. Firearm's could be obtained without a license from any suburban men's hair dresser and ammunition could be bought in any corner store or petrol station. Every big department store had a gun department in it's "Sports" section and firearms could be rented by the weekend, or the week. People openly carried firearms in the streets, the only restriction being, that bolt operated firearms had to have their bolts removed. Schoolboys like me in the Army cadets openly carried Lee Enfield .303 rifles on buses and trains, and nobody batted an eyelid. My fellow cadets used to walk into class and stack our rifles on the classroom walls. My school armoury had 100 rifles and four, fully functioning BREN light machine guns. But in my day, kids did not kill kids. Nor did they assault teachers, threaten female teachers with rape, damage teachers cars, commit suicide at school, or burn down their schools, like they are doing today in Australia. I repeat that the mere existence of guns is not the problem. What is in people's heads is the problem. You focus on firearms because they are solid objects that you can see and feel. Their capacity for evil is self evident. Understanding human behaviour is a lot more difficult for you, so you ignore it and focus on the guns. But I have read your posts and I know you have a brain. You do understand that if your society is running off the rails, and people are doing things that they never did before, then intelligent people look at those factors in society which have changed. Not keep blaming a factor which was always present previously, and which previously did not have any effect. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
the entertainment industries glamourising of violent criminal behaviour, which you seem to be defending. Hello again, B: It's FANTASY.. Yes, I defend FANTASY cause it's PRETEND.. It's MAKE BELIEVE. It's PLAY acting. Most people can distinguish fact from FANTASY. If you can't, I'd see somebody about it.. excon Side: Yup
In 1973, the Walt Disney Co. took the unprecedented step of removing a scene from a movie within days of it being released. The movie was THE PROGRAM starring James Caan. The movie depicted a scene where a group of young football players show how tough they are, by lying down on the centreline of a busy highway while cars whiz by around them. The media executives moved quickly to cut the scene from every movie house in the US, when one young man was killed and two others seriously injured in separate incidents, imitating the movie. Disney executives had to quickly remove the scene, not only from every copy of the film, but also from every other film who's coming attractions trailer included the offending image. Making a virtue of necessity, Motion Pictures Association President Jack Valenti praised the decision by Disney to pull the scene a "A statesmanlike thing to do.". When pressed about the obvious connection between the tragic incidences and the movie, he replied. "I am not one who believes that a movie makes you do anything". Of course, movies may not make a wealthy, highly educated, intelligent and overpaid media lobbyist like Jack Valenti do anything. But there are obviously plenty of immature youngsters out there, who most definitely can be motivated to do things that are illegal, irresponsible and downright idiotic. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
We can definitely do better. None of us except Jesus and God are perfect. Strive to improve everyday and you'll be better every day. This does not mean supporting degenerative promotions of sexual immorality amongst other things. My words are absolute and the opposition will lose. Side: Nahh. We can DO better
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God damnit, here we go again. Your first problem is that you're getting your information from Vox and Everytown. Hard to find a more biased source. For the love of fuck Excon, you're old enough and should be wise enough not to trust news from only one political side, least of all from Daddy Bloombucks. Every day, more than 110 Americans die at the end of a gun, including suicides and homicides, an average of 40,620 per year. About 2/3 suicides, but yes, that's factual. Also thoroughly irrelevant. We'll get to that. Since 2009, there has been an annual average of 19 mass shootings, when defined as shootings in which at least four people are killed. Yeah, there's a reason they didn't mention gangland shootouts or family annihilators in the definition: they make up the overwhelming majority of "mass shootings" over some psychofuck killing kids indiscriminately, and the root causes are completely different. The US gun homicide rate is as much as 26 times that of other high-income countries; its gun suicide rate is nearly 12 times higher. And yet our per capita homicide and suicide rates are nothing special compared to other high-income countries. Weird, almost as if other countries have no trouble committing just as many murders through other means, and the availability of firearms makes little difference. Where do we go from here? Fucking leave. The world is your oyster bud, if things are so much better in Europe then go to fucking Europe. We like our guns, we're going to keep them on this continent, and if you can't deal with that, go somewhere else. Side: Yup
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