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Yes its racest No its heratege
Debate Score:170
Arguments:116
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Is the confederate flag racist? or is it heritage?

Yes its racest

Side Score: 78
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No its heratege

Side Score: 92
7 points

While I agree with all the heritage-voters on the issue of why the Civil War was fought, the question pertains to the flag as it is used today. Having grown up in South Carolina, a state that flew the flag atop our state house for most of my life (and later on the state house grounds, in front of Main St.), I knew many people who were on the side of heritage. All of those people were, without a doubt, prejudiced. They used the flag as a slap in the face, a way to get away with racism under a different name.

Even if you don't believe that the flag is racist, I hope we can agree that it is traitorous. It is, afterall, the flag of a nation that no longer exists.

Side: Yes it is racist
Zander(50) Disputed
2 points

Although i agree with you that some people use the flag as a means to be racist, I disagree that that makes it racist. The kkk wore pillow sheets over their heads, but that doesn't not mean I'm going to stop using it as it's real purpose. People use flag for racism: not the real purpose. THe real purpose of the flag is for heritage.

This is strictly speaking of what it stands for now. Not the past.

Side: No its heratege
Spoonerism(831) Disputed
2 points

The real purpose of the flag is to honor a country that did not pan out.

I'm certainly not opposed to honoring those that fought in the Civil War, even if they were fighting for secession from the country I love. But the flag itself is merely a symbol of that failed attempt. There are far better ways of honoring our heritage than flying a flag that many consider to be a symbol of racism.

And why do we need to honor the Civil War heritage separately? Shouldn't the American flag be the ultimate symbol of that heritage, as the North won the war and kept our nation intact?

Side: Yes its racest

While I would agree it is racist it does have its roots in the southern world of the confederate states. It has come to symbolize hatred of mankind, typically African-American blacks. We must not allow that flag to fly anywhere in the USA. It belongs in a museam not masted and flown.

Side: Yes it is racist
locke223(48) Disputed
2 points

The first amendment of free speech Would be trampled if we were not allowed to fly the flag we want.

Side: No its heratege
4 points

That's a point I didn't address in the above arguements.

You are correct that it should certainly be allowed,

just as a nazi flag should be allowed if one chooses,

a Mexican flag,

two gays kissing in public,

the crazy guy on the corner rattling off about the world's end,

the jesus freaks,

The question though was not whether it should be allowed, but whether or not it is racist, which it most certainly is, which I argue very well about 3 responses up, and 2 or 3 replies deep.

If you don't understand why, please reply to that arguement, and you can prove me wrong, or maybe I can persuade you.

Side: No its heratege
2 points

I agree that it would violate free speech to not allow the flag to be flown. On the other hand, states should not be flying it on their state house or have it embedded within their state flags.

Side: Yes it is racist

While I understand your point locke, how would it be if Germany would fly the NAZI flag underneath their own? It would conjur up images of a world gone to hell and back. Usually a nation flys their present day flag and not one from eons ago...and especially one that has such deep meaning in the negative.

Side: Yes it is racist
AlofRI(3275) Disputed
1 point

" I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands....etc." If you want that other flag, you have that RIGHT! WE, the people, have the RIGHT to object to those who wish to fly another flag in OUR country and THAT is OUR first amendment RIGHT! The votes are in, WE want only OUR flag.

I was in N.C. last summer and saw BOTH the American and Confederate flags flying. The "Stars and Bars" was flying ABOVE the American flag! That was an ABUSE of the first amendment. Luckily, this IS a free country, you can fly any flag you want LOWER than ours, but, any state government that insists on flying another "country's" flag as a statement of "pride" doesn't deserve the protection of the Constitution!

Side: Yes its racest
3 points

It represents our racist heritage. ;)

fiftycharacters are required for me to make this dumb joke.

Side: Yes its racest
2 points

1. yes it is, racists use the heritage arguement (valid or not) to validate their wanting to wave a symbol of racism in everyone's face.

2. the south tried to secede, had they been successful who knows how long they would have kept slaves, maybe even until today, so the idea that that heritage is somehow worthy of fond rememberance is basically mentally retarded.

3. everyone on earth who does not have their own confederate flag hanging in their trailer home or truck equates it with racism, so what on earth possess these people to have it other than wanting to identify themselves as a racist, while at the same time being able to maintain the lame excuse of heritage? I say nothing, show me someone with a confederate flag, and I'll bet I can trick them into a conversation about how blacks are ruining the country.

4. Pretend Santa is real, and confederate flag weilding hillbillies aren't racist. The south declared that war, and it was the bloodiest battle in history. And as a result of the N. winning, we became the most powerful nation in the world, and ended slavery in the South. wtf are those a-holes celebrating exactly?

Side: Yes its racest
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
3 points

I actually own a Confederate Flag shirt...

am I some racist hillbilly? Or am I just proud of my Southern Culture...?

Side: No its heratege
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
3 points

You really want me to answer that?

Would you wear that shirt if you were going to a grocery store in NYC?

No, because you know black people may see it and get offended.

You know it offends people, you know what people think of it,

it's akin to telling a joke that you have to look around to make sure there are no minorities around to tell, you probably just shouldn't tell the joke.

Anyway, the heritage line is complete bs, because they weren't running around with that flag before they decided to secede,

and weren't you one of the people pissed about Mexicans waiving Mexican flags in the US? So what's the difference? There is none, it's hypocricy, and the rebel flag stands for slavery and secession.

Side: Yes its racest
domlpz1(15) Disputed
1 point

well your probably not a hillbilly but judging by the swastika you have on your picture, your probably racist.

Side: Yes it is racist
Iblis(60) Disputed
1 point

You're some southern hillbilly, confederate flag or not. llllllllllllllllll

Side: Yes its racest
Drivethru(1) Disputed
1 point

I can understand the heritage point of view, coupled with state freedoms. But MAN...why use the ACTUAL nazi flag as your avatar. I mean shit....i'd consider you a racist.

Side: Yes its racest
Zander(50) Disputed
0 points

YOU HAVE A BLOODY NAZI SYMBOL AS YOUR PICTURE! YOU ARE RACIST!

Side: Yes its racest
2 points

Since when has it been the case that heritage and racism are mutually exclusive terms? The Southern States that seceded from the union were trying to defend their way of life and their sovereignty, which was largely underpinned by chattel slavery. So while the former was certainly a reason to go to war, it was founded on a longstanding regime of slavery and racism. As far as I'm concerned, the flag represents both.

Side: Yes its racest
2 points

It is heritage, which envolves racist slave-owning. Go to hell hicks!!!

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

Its racist and should be abolished. American Flag only. I mean c'mon...this is the symbol of slavery people

Side: Yes its racest
rcgrant(5) Disputed
1 point

How can a flag be a sign of slavery? Slavery was just one of the many reasons for the civil war. What next ban all white sheets from being sold. Just like Muslims there are people that us their religion as a tool for evil,just as some people did bad things behind the confederate flag, same as the Knights Templar carried their flag and so on

Side: No its heratege
Republican2(349) Disputed
1 point

Do you realize the American flag also represented the United States when it legalized the slavery of blacks for almost a century? Britain also used slaves. Should we be offended by their flag too? As a matter of fact, just about every civilization in the world at one time or another has used slavery. Why should the confederacy be singled out for ridicule?

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Totally agree If the confederate flag is a symbol as slaver all flags should be as we'll!

Side: No its heratege
MFltchr(2) Disputed
1 point

No, it is not racist.Why only the American flag. America's never made any mistakes? It's not just the South, it's everywhere.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

How can't a person call the Confederate Flag racist? Although the Confederacy wasn't formed because of slavery and racism, its flag is still used by racist organizations like the KKK or the Neo-Nazis.

Side: Yes its racest
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

The KKK use and used the Stars and Stripes more often and before they used the Confederate Flag and Neo Nazi's use the flag of their country more often than they use the Confederate Flag so by your logic all Flags are racist because of some of the people that use them

Side: No its heratege

"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States."

A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union

Side: Yes it is racist

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

Side: Yes its racest

"an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution."

"The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor."

"This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety."

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Side: Yes it is racist
JesusFreak24(1) Disputed
1 point

To all of you who think the confederate flag is racist.......

First of all, a racist is a person, a THING; it's a ideology, a belief! So NO would be the "correct" answer. No, a FLAG cannot be racist - it is a lifeless object - it has no feelings and cannot have an opinion. It's the person behind the flag and their purpose for hanging the flag. PEOPLE are racists... FLAGS are part of our American history and Southern heritage. And I suppose you think guns kill people, too, don't you?

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Your argument only goes to the grammatical deficiency of the debate creator (who also created the positions: "Yes its racest" and "No its heratege", so it's taking a bit of the easy way out).

Would you like to address the question as to whether people who fly the confederate flag today and are so enamored with that particular part of American heritage derive any of their admiration from the racial stratification of the civil war era?

Side: No its heratege
1 point

The confederate flag is something to be resented in this country plain and simple! Who would want to hold up a flag known for defending slavery only a true and genuine racist would.

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

I am a white man who has been born and raised in South Carolina, as such i believe we have more of a right to claim heritage on the flag then any other state in the United states. I think the flag represents ignorance, hatred, and discord. Everyone knows the red neck white trash people running around with their Dixie shirts, proudly toting the Stars and Bars. It is disgraceful, we can all agree it may not have started out as raciest, it most certainty become about racism. It truly disgust me when a shameful act of betrayal of the united states is relished by us southerners. In my life i have never seen such a disgraceful display.

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

not only is it the BATTLE flag of traitors, but it has since come to SYMBOLIZE white supremacy and racial hatred.

it has no place on display in any public place where government dollars are at work.

you want to put it up over your fireplace to show ppl when they come to dinner, fine.... that way they can know where you are coming from and walk out, if they have any sense.

Side: Yes its racest

If someone doesn't think the Confederate flag is racist, walk with one through Harlem and see what happens.

Side: Yes its racest
5 points

The war wasn't actually started over slavery. Abraham actually threw that in mid-war to further piss off the Confederates since most of the Confederate states were big farm country, and a lot of the farms had slaves.

In any case, the 'rebel flag' isn't a racist flag at all, but since it's tied to that war which lead to the 'end' of slavery, most people tie the flag to some racist or slavery-based stigma. I'm not defending the Confederates, but the truth is, the flag itself has absolutely nothing to do with slavery or racism.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Yes, the war was largely about protecting the institution of slavery - see my posts on the other side for the reasons the Confederate states gave for secession

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

The south, in general, did not rebel over the slaves being freed- though this didn't stop speakers for both the north and south focusing on it as an issue. The North was not attempting to free slaves, but was rather attempting to limit the expansion of slavery in order to let it die out. The Emancipation Proclamation was in fact put forth during the Civil War, and was applicable only to slaves in the 10 states still in rebellion at the time.

There was certainly talk over ending slavery, but this was primarily due to the shift in industries in the north; slave labor is generally only effective when the required labor is relatively unskilled, and uneducated slaves were relatively to completely ineffective in such a role, unlike in the south where the economy was predominately based on plantations. The method of ending slavery was not freeing extant slaves, however- but were rather geared towards stopping the expansion of slavery and letting it just 'die out' as I noted earlier.

The Emancipation Proclamation was far more an attempt to weaken the south economically and create a dangerous enemy in the middle of their ranks than it was about actually freeing slaves.

The slavery issue was there- no arguing that. But it's overall impact has been greatly exaggerated, the union painted as being 'good guys' far more than they deserved, and the confederacy painted as being 'bad guys' far more than they deserved. I presume this is a case of victors writing the history books- a necessary evil if any sense of unity between the north and south was to be reformed.

It should also be noted that while slavery in the US was primarily slavery of Africans, that was hardly the extent of it; calling the flag a symbol of racism is ridiculous, and I think it's perfectly reasonable for it to be kept as a symbol of ones heritage. And this is coming from a northerner who is descended primarily from Irish slaves / indentured servants and Cherokee.

Side: No its heratege
AlofRI(3275) Disputed
1 point

Lincoln said that the Constitution was based on the ideal that: "ALL men are created equal." The Confederate states only considered their "niggers" to be 3/5ths of a person (and THAT was, apparently, a minority opinion)! THAT was against the founding principles of America. Anyone who thinks he should have ignored that, or that "most" of the countries citizens supported it, is blind. The VAST majority of America was against it and the abuse of humanity that went with it! The war WAS about slavery and the greed of those who put profit above our founding principles! Funny, we still seem to have those problems today. profit over principle!

Side: Yes its racest

Absolutely not. The Confederate flag doesn't represent racism, slavery, or anti-black movements; it represents a nation.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

yeah - it represents a nation

- a nation of racists...

Side: Yes it is racist
4 points

What many people fail to realize is that slavery was not the only major issue behind the Civil War. States versus federal rights was a driving cause as well as the economy.

That being said, the flag symbolizes things other then slavery and while it is somewhat racist it is largely heritage.

Side: No its heratege
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
2 points

That's the worst revisionist bs that has ever come out of the American public school system. The issues of state's rights only came up when the South needed to justify itself after the war. The Confederacy was formed for the simple reason that by electing Abraham Lincoln the majority of Americans had indicated that they weren't going to stand for the expansion of slavery, a policy that would have eventually destroyed the slave based economy of the Deep South, for non-slave holders the war made little sense. The Confederate flag then stands for racism and the idea that slavery is justified if you make a lot of money in the process.

Side: Yes its racest
wolfbite(432) Disputed
1 point

Actually, it is the American public school system that is full of bull. The winners of a war are the ones who write the history, and because of the Union winning they focused on slavery because it was the moral issue that made them the heros. If you read an actual history book then you would find that only 26% of the people who lived in the South owned slaves due to how expensive they were.

In actuality, the election of Lincoln was only the final straw. What really happened was that there was a build up of tensions and that was what led to the Civil War. One of the major issue was the North getting involved in the economy of the South via tariffs in order to protect Northern industrialization. The south would end up paying an unproportional amount of the taxes which would also go to help the North rather than the people actually paying the taxes. So paying taxes to a group of people who wanted to destroy the culture of the South did not make much sense. As for States' Rights vs Federal Rights, it had been going on since Adams and Jefferson so saying that it was an issue created after the war does not make much sense.

If you want to say because of the idea of slavery being behind the Confederate that the flag itself is racist than that is fine, but by the same logic that makes the American flag the most racists symbol ever because behind it is the idea that killing Native Americans is okay, nuking cities that have Japanese civilians is okay, and that declaring war upon peaceful nations is okay.

Side: No its heratege
2 points

Warlin really hit the nail on the head. The war had little to do with Slavery. If anything, it had more to do with the compromise of 1850 which took away more State's rights. yet, the North was not following the Federal laws put into power.

The south felt screwed. They were forced to follow Federal law that the North wanted but the North wouldn't follow it.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

You can't say it had little to do with slavery, but more to do with the Compromise of 1850 - the Compromise of 1850 was an attempt to deal with slavery....

Side: Yes its racest
2 points

The U.s. has discriminated against blacks and Indians in the past. Is the U.S. flag racist?

Just a thought.

I will admit that most of the people I have seen with confederate flags ARE somewhat racist and uneducated. Most educated people that are not racist that are proud of their southern heritage don't have a confederate flag in their garage.

I'm not a big fan of the confederate flag. But I don't think it should directly be linked to racism.

Side: No its heratege
2 points

I agree with you 100%. I was just about to say that. Your argument can be used in other instances, especially in countries which used to have colonies such as France, UK, Holland, Italy, Belgium (just to name a few).

And you are also right about that most americans who are using the confederate flag to promote some idiotic racist ideology are extremely uneducated and are strong followers of incest inbreeding....oh, and these racist inbreeds were living on this continent before Columbus and Native American Indians too? See, there is more than one reason why incest is wrong....it promotes stupidity.

Side: No its heratege
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

Again, the arguement isn't a question of someone's right to do something, but of the meaning behind practicing that right.

One has all types of rights around here.

But,

Pretend I'm a proud German who just feels that Germany was really really united under the 3rd reich, I mean, I don't personally have a problem with Jews, so it should be cool for me to wave a nazi flag right? I mean, no one would get the wrong meaning from that right?

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

Just correct me if I am wrong. Did black men not fight on the side of the evil Confederate Battle Flag waving, evil, southern white man.

Bottom line a Northerner can own slaves at that time and all is good, but a southerner owns a slave at the same time and all things related to that period a racest .

Side: No its heratege
1 point

The US changed its position with regard to slavery (with the 13th Amendment, etc.) - that is the difference between a flag that represents a racist nation and a flag that represents a nation with a racist past.

Side: Yes its racest
2 points

The Confederate flag is a symbol of Southern heritage. I am part of a family that fought in the Civil War. The McCoy family fought for the free rights of the Southern States of America. I would fight for my flag any day and I won't stop till everyone understands what the real meaning of the Confederate flag is. i believe the the flag should not be seen a racism but as a flag of rights.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

The flag itself is not a racist symbol when it is used right. However, that hill was used to oppress African Americans a long time ago during the Civil War. So...it isn't a racist symbol, but it does have a racist heritage.

Side: Racist Heritage
1 point

The flag is symbol of southern pride and heritage. Now sure the flag has people behind it that that are racist but that is the only thing that people like to focus on. Another example of this would be the swastika. Now everybody knows it was he symbol of the Nazi party and they killed a bunch of Jews so therefore the swastika has to be evil, well what about before Hitler. People seem to look over the fact that the swastika is also a religious symbol for Buddhism and Hinduism.So if you look at these pieces of information is the flag really racist that would be a no. We just like to make people in America feel comfortable so we do stuff like this. So WHITE POWER and remember that is racist but BLACK POWER is OK with everyone.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

its not hate and aint racist, abraham even owned slave and it started because the south wanted to leave the USA because of the economy and education.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

abraham even owned slave

No, he didn't.

the south wanted to leave the USA because of the economy and education.

Did they oppose education? Your post is evidence that they may have won that battle...

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

I am a direct descendant from the Lee family (As in Robert E Lee), and I believe that it's a sign of my heritage.

Side: No its heratege

The war has come and gone 150 years ago, what does it matter now? It could be construed either way, heritage to the Southern states for a war that they almost won, or a symbol of racism. I choose the former: it is a heritage, though it is not up to me to decide if it is to be forgotten.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Yeah i used to think the confederate flag was racist, but than i looked into what the confederates stand for. They don't stand for slavery or racism. They stand for their heritage and state over governmant. Plus i saw a black man with a confederate flag on his truck soooo.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Ya know what to me its heritage but hell where i grew up we fly that flag with honor and pride and you bet your ass im racist and guess what if someone wants to give me a dirty glare for what i believe in then you can kiss it son cuz thats what the civil war started upon the yanks wanted the south to join their side but thats why its called the rebel flag and as much as anyone says they aint racist and they proudly wave that flag for heritage you aint true to the history and your a pathetic exuse for sucking the bungholes of our nation...Oh Martin Lucifer Jr. what have you done!!! damn you!!!

Side: No its heratege
1 point

While i agree that it is some what a sign of racism i think that you should be able to fly a confederate flag ware ever you may please. i consider that it is censorship and i think that is wrong on things like this. flaying a confederate flag is a freedom of speech type thing.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

Why is it that the confederate flag wasn't considered racist until the blacks started to find everything whites did, "RACISTS"? but yet they can call one another the "N" word? lmao at them..... Do they know what the word "double standard" means? I think it's just one more right that they try to take away from the whites.. To show us they can get away with anything and everything.. They kill, steal and rape like a bunch of typical Africans. Their own people sold them into slavery. How smart was that? Our country has been belittled by a so called President so much that we look like a third world country. There's another "get away with" anything.. A Muslim running our country to the ground. Its all a ploy to take over our country anyway they can. If you don't like the U.S.A. then get the hell out.

Side: No its heratege
1 point

This is the Wiki definition of the Confederate flag "the Confederate Flag does not represent and never has represented racism. It is a symbol of southern heritage, representing freedom, states rights, individual responsibility, and resistance to an out of control federal government.

It may be true that some racists have used the Confederate flag, but racists also wave the American flag. Consider this: No slave ship ever sailed from a Confederate port or under a Confederate flag. On the contrary, virtually every American slave ship was from either New York or one of the New England states and they all sailed under the United States Flag. Also, at the time of the American Civil War, slavery had been practiced in every state and colony in America and was still being practiced in several northern states, under the Stars and Stripes, even during the War Between the States.

Ulysses S. Grant, commanding general of the United States Army during the Civil War was a slave holder. Robert E. Lee, commander of the Confederate Army, was against slavery. The Confederate constitution outlawed the slave trade and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America, proposed a plan to end slavery altogether. There were more free blacks, and also more abolitionists, in the South than in the North. Also, tens of thousands of black soldiers fought for the Confederate States of America in a war which they considered a second American revolution, "War for Southern Independence."

Unfortunately racist groups have used the Confederate flag in recent years, but those same groups, especially the Ku Klux Klan, have historically used the American flag for a much longer period of time.

The truth is, neither the American Flag nor the Confederate Flag is racist. If people who are racists fly either flag, that does not mean the flag itself represents racism." I think this sums up what the Flag stands for and if it's use by Racists makes it a Racist Flag then so is the Stars and Stripes, The Union Flag and the Flag Of St George

Side: No its heratege
1 point

The Confederate constitution outlawed the slave trade

It did not outlaw slavery

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

- "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

- "1. The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states, and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any state of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property: and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

- "the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states."

Side: Yes its racest
TheAshman(2299) Clarified
1 point

I assume you read my whole post and that it was quoted from Wikipedia if it's incorrect fair enough the main concern for me is that you are also quoting from the same source which makes does not prove either of us right or wrong it just shows that Wikipedia is an unreliable source.

Forgetting the fact that Wikipedia may be unreliable it is not debateable that the North did not feel Blacks were equal to Whites many northerners were involved in the slave trade and what I have always found interesting is that once Northern soldiers had "freed" Black slaves they worked them harder and treated them harsher, also the Confederate army had Blacks fighting side by side with Whites whilst the Northern army kept Blacks and Whites segregated

Side: Yes its racest
1 point

The flag is an important part of American history and should always be respected.

I would like to know why the majority of people that claim this flag stands for racist beliefs are usually from the North. It is a strange coincidence.

Now i just so happen to be righting a research paper on the history of this flag thats how I came across this website. I'd like to share some of my discoveries.

During the beginnings of the civil war the largest plantation with the most slaves of the CSA just happened to be owned by a free black man.

The majority of black rebel soldiers fought along side white men and were treated equally when it came to food rations, weapons, etc.... While in the Northern Army the black soldiers would try to flee do to their poor treatment. Contrary to what most modern day northerners think back in those times the north had their fair share of slaves as well. Just not the numbers the south did because the northern economy had moved away from an agricultural based to a more industry based economy. So the norths need for slaves was not a great as the Souths.

But like some reviewers have said before "the winners write the history". The Battle flag, which is one of many confederate flags, no more stands for racism than the present day American flag. This skewed belief arose when the KKK started using it to represent themselves with it, but they equally use the American flag as well so why is the Battle Flag labeled with racist connotation? Because the winners write the history. It's as simple as that. I bet out of the 40 some people that voted it as representing racism, 35 or better didn't grow up in the south.

If you truly believe this flag represents racism then you need to go to youtube and look up "blacks and the (rebel, confederate, southern flag)" or whatever else you people want to misname it because you don't know any of the history behind it and see what intelligent southern blacks have to say about our shared history.

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Ok I get how some people think it's racist but it's not some African Americans hand rebel flags and they are proud of it some African Americans served for the south and are proud of it so why would they be racist against theirself. Plus didn't the American flag supporters not saying I'm not one. But didn't they push the native Americans out and not like them and they call the confederate flag racest!! I just think that almost every flag in the world has racist in it but nobody says anything about any other flag

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are you kidding me.... The confederate flag is not racist yes some racits use it but i love the confedate flag because it symbolizes the past and where my family came from. so i take it very affensive that your calling me a racist. your being hypocrites. is saying the pledge racist i dnt think so.

Side: No its heratege
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To say that I am a racist because I have a Confederate flag Bandanna hanging out my back pocket, Is just like me saying some African-American Male/Female sagging his/her pants is a Gang Banger. How are we all quick to judge one another but when we are judged for our trends and loves of something we get defensive and point the finger back? The 'Certain' People had ties to Racism who lived in the south, who bore the Flag. "CERTAIN" People who lived in the south, who bore the flag, HATED racism and didn't understand it at all. A flag is a symbol, a Symbol has a meaning and Meanings can change! The Swastika BEFORE it even was taken over by the German Nazi Party meant Peace Good luck and prosperity. However if you went to a different Country and saw a man with a Swastika symbol on his shirt meditating, you would just judge him right? Say he's a racist and wants to murder millions of Jews? Why? What does this judging give us besides a wall for the person to speak through while you filter what he says instead of hearing his true words. The Rebel/Confederate Flag is not Racist. The Beholder could quite possibly be racist but the flag is not. So dont judge the symbol get to know the Person who is wearing it. Dont judge that book before you read it cover to cover. The flag to me represents a way of life a way of talking shit it represents Sweet Tea Home made wine and Pecan Pie! It is the South, Why do we call the South the South? Because its a whole different place then the West Coast or East Coast. I'm just saying if we could all stop having a temperamental judgement on each-other we can see things differently. #RebelFlagCountryBoy

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Fifthofnovem(2) Disputed
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Those are two different symbols good sir, positioning of them on a flag makes it either the third Reich or a Buddhist symbol.

Side: Yes its racest
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The flag represents away of life. A war where people fought and died, black and white, or if it makes you feel better blue and gray. Taking down the flag and sticking it in a museum would be equal to taking the flags from any war torn country and not allowing them to fly either. Rebels are born not created, we know who we are and taking down the flag won't change us...and good idea to stop selling the merchandise bearing the flag - that just makes it more valuable.

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