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Debate Score:62
Arguments:52
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Is the liberal elite the real perpetrators of control?

Liberal elites are those who support the rights of the working class, yet they are themselves members of the upper class, yet somehow they know the needs of the people they claim to support and protect. Interesting

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Side Score: 30
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Side Score: 32

Liberal Elites:

Education

Support for the dumbing down policies of state/public education to be applied to the many, the working class, for whom they apparently support, yet send their own children to private schools, and oppose the privatization of school through vouchers.

Gun Control

Support who can and can't own guns except of course the beloved government police.

Contempt for the moral values of ordinary people

Believe that they are inherently smarter based on the moral values.

Equality

Everyone is equal, yet many liberal elite has been accused of not paying taxes or tax fraud.

Enthusiastic for more government

Believe in that more government is good, and businesses are bad.

More government = more control.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

Support for the dumbing down policies of state/public education to be applied to the many, the working class, for whom they apparently support, yet send their own children to private schools, and oppose the privatization of school through vouchers.

Education and science are inherently liberal disciplines. The conservative stance has generally been championing of the common man, using common sense, and other forms of anti-intellectualism.

Gun Control

Contempt for the moral values of ordinary people

Cherry picking issues can always make your stance appear supported when in fact it is marginal to the whole picture.

Everyone is equal, yet many liberal elite has been accused of not paying taxes or tax fraud.

Not really relevant to your issue. Equality means that everyone has or ought to have equal rights, based on the idea that we ought to be treated like we are all equals so as to stamp out social turmoil.

Believe in that more government is good, and businesses are bad.

More government = more control.

Of course, being a libertarian, you bought into the sleight of hand that business freedom equals individual freedom. So obviously to you, regulating businesses means suddenly we all are more regulated and less free... or something.

Side: No
2 points

Education and science are inherently liberal disciplines. The conservative stance has generally been championing of the common man, using common sense, and other forms of anti-intellectualism.

Government spending on public education is simply outrageous, 600 million dollar school in LA, what is that? If Harvard was rebuilt today, it wouldn't even cost that much.

The 600 million dollar school in California is a perfect example liberal fiscal policy. Putting kids who can't or won't learn, with incompetent or over-worked teachers, in a fancy building the state can ill afford, will not improve the level of education. Liberal policy=throw more tax dollars at it. Californians, as a whole, deserve what they get from the morons they elect. Just like the rest of us.

Cherry picking issues can always make your stance appear supported when in fact it is marginal to the whole picture.

WTF. Liberals always cherry pick issues that best suit their ideology. Don't accuse conservatives or libertarians or yourself, communist any different.

So obviously to you, regulating businesses means suddenly we all are more regulated and less free... or something.

There you go. Now you are getting it. More government = more Control.

Government loves control by telling what people to do. It is a fetish.

Side: yes
Cicero(239) Disputed
1 point

you bought into the sleight of hand that business freedom equals individual freedom.

Our political freedom is derived from the economic freedom that was and is prevalent in Great Britain. The law protected landowners' rights. And in England land is king. So each landowner was his own master, thus we have political freedom.

Side: yes
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They always want to give benefits to the poor man, regardless of what it does to everybody else.

Let tax cuts expire in a time of economic distress. Tax their way to wealth and then spend it mindlessly. Ha. I think not. Enough is enough.

Side: yes
0 points

Absolutely, the liberal elite believe they know what is best for the common man,so much so that they will go to great lengths to go against the will of the people,even the founders because of their minority beliefs.Their actions in the courts and in legislation proves this point.

Amending the constitution was put into place so the PEOPLE could change if they so seemed fit to do so. The liberal elite try and change the constitution through the courts because they believe they know better than the people and they could not do so through amending the constitution because they are in the minority.

Liberal elites force their control through the courts and legislation and work around the constitution or totally against it.

Side: yes

Liberal Elites always use the Necessary and Proper Clause along with the Commerce Clause to justify their government expansion where government can pass any law that it sees fit as long as it is Necessary and Proper. That is BS.

Side: yes
2 points

Right, because the leader of the democratic party, Obama, was raised by his grandmother and the product of an interacial marriage which would have been illegal only a decade prior to his birth. The leader of the democratic party's granmother had no health insurance and could not afford to send Obama to great schools so Obama had to work hard, get straight A's, and "pull himself up by his bootstraps."

That sure sounds elitist to me...

And the owners of Koch, the two 9th richest men in the world who inhereted Koch oil company from their father and who have funded all of the "grass roots" tea party bs from busses to signs, they are totally the common man ._.

Side: No
0 points

Wow, you are an idiot.

The question concerns the liberal elite, and not the upper class.

Owners of Koch are what? Come one, you can get it. Upper class, not liberal elite.

Liberal elite is the media, politicians, Hollywood, and some athletes.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4816) Disputed
2 points

No you're an idiot because you actually believe there is a such thing as "liberal elite" as if they are meeting in dark rooms and planning the demise of America. You are a conspiracy nut when it comes to politics, and you completely ignore all facts in favor of fevered right wing propaganda consistantly. It's sort of sad.

Side: No