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Is the universe a big bustling place full of aliens
the "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" is a book where earth gets "demolished" to make a new intergalatic highway or something and the universe turns out to be like one giant city. so I thought is the universe like a giant city that earthlings haven't yet made contact with.
The odds are greater than 50/50. Our technology is very primitive and that's why we haven't found anything yet. As for the aliens they could quite possibly know we exist, but by their standards we are too primitive and therefore they don't bother with us.
There is yet to be any proof that aliens even exist, much less that the universe is a 'bustling place of of' them. The likelihood could not be "greater than 50/50."
The odds are greater than 50'50 according to Steven dick. He is NASA's chief historian and astropysicist specializing in astrobiology and the post biological universe.
They've done some very odd analyses, and as it turns out, there should be anywhere from 10 to 1 million "advanced" civilizations in the universe at any given time, but that says nothing about less advanced lifeforms. And it is very unlikely that aliens have visited, because although we may seem primitive to them, there is fair reason to fear that if we do not kill ourselves, we may become advanced enough to destroy them, so they'd want to get rid of us NOW, while we are not as powerful. Since we're not under invasion, aliens don't know we're out there.
They've done some very odd analyses, and as it turns out, there should be anywhere from 10 to 1 million "advanced" civilizations in the universe at any given time
And yet it is all conjecture. There is not even proof that a single 'civilization' exists aside from Humanity (if we can even be called a 'civilization').
And it is very unlikely that aliens have visited,
If they exist, then why not? Isn't there quite a bit of evidence to suggest that - if the do exist - they have visited?
because although we may seem primitive to them,
Why would we seem 'primitive' to them?
there is fair reason to fear that if we do not kill ourselves
"If we do not kill ourselves"? I believe it to be a matter of 'when', not 'if'.
we may become advanced enough to destroy them
If we can destroy ourselves now, then why are we not currently 'advanced' enough to destroy them?
so they'd want to get rid of us NOW, while we are not as powerful.
Why do humans believe that everything unknown is a threat? Androids, aliens, etc.
Since we're not under invasion, aliens don't know we're out there.
That's a ludicrous assumption; why is everything 'evil'? Is it because we know that we, ourselves, would treat aliens so horrible that they, too, must take on our 'evil tendencies'?
If they exist, then why not? Isn't there quite a bit of evidence to suggest that - if the do exist - they have visited?
One cannot travel at superluminal velocities, and traveling at our fastest ship speeds it would take around half a million years to reach the nearest solar system.
Even if light speed were possible, many distances in space would take millions of years to reach, and there are also billions of galaxies with trillions of stars and so on. Our best hope would be that nearby solar systems have intelligent life, but that intelligent life would have to reach its apex of civilisation around the same time as us (that means within thousands of years out of hundreds of millions of years to choose from), and they would need to be able to travel near light speed to reach us within a decent time frame of hundreds or thousands of years.
It's like trying to hit a bull's eye the size of a grain of sand over a mile away. Sure, interstellar contact may happen and probably has occurred numerous times in the universe, and will, but it's a vastly improbable event, simply due to timing.
Intelligent life may be equally improbable, that is very hard to tell also.
That's a ludicrous assumption; why is everything 'evil'? Is it because we know that we, ourselves, would treat aliens so horrible that they, too, must take on our 'evil tendencies'?
Of human life. Why does one always assume that it would be a 'nature of [alien] life'?
No, of life itself. Life, as in all life, attempts to gain dominion over everything else through usage of resources. Bacteria gained dominion over our bodies so that no matter how clean we are, there are still about ten bacterial cells per human cell in you. Plants and insects have competed with each other, shaping each other for each others' needs, which is why we have flowers and bee hives. It is simply how nature works, in that cooperation comes from mutual selfishness being kept in check. There is no reason to assume that alien life would be any different in this respect. The most we could hope for is that their civilisation has used its intelligence to curd these behaviours back, but that's still a tall order.
And yet it is all conjecture. There is not even proof that a single 'civilization' exists aside from Humanity (if we can even be called a 'civilization').
Agreed
If they exist, then why not? Isn't there quite a bit of evidence to suggest that - if the do exist - they have visited?
If by that you mean fuzzy photographs, and crop circles.....this is spurious at best.
Why would we seem 'primitive' to them?
If they are capable of inter-stellar travel, they are probably more advanced.
How about many thousands - or is it millions by now? - of 'alien abduction' stories?
Human's stories have time and time again proven very unreliable. A number of rational explanations have surfaced for these types of experiences. One of them, being SLEEP PARALYSIS which causes the person to be unable to move during sleep but be (apparently) awake, people often attribute this condition to either aliens or demons. Which is why these type of stories always happen at night.
How about the Mesopotamians and the Egyptians?
What about them? I suppose you are pointing to ancient art that along with a bit of interpretation cause you to see aliens?
And yet it is all conjecture. There is not even proof that a single 'civilization' exists aside from Humanity (if we can even be called a 'civilization').
All this is equally a conjecture.
If they exist, then why not? Isn't there quite a bit of evidence to suggest that - if the do exist - they have visited?
No.
If we can destroy ourselves now, then why are we not currently 'advanced' enough to destroy them?
Maybe they have technology capable of rendering useless our best weapons.
so they'd want to get rid of us NOW, while we are not as powerful.
Why do humans believe that everything unknown is a threat? Androids, aliens, etc.
Here's a hypothetical situation. Assume that using extremely advance methods which I cannot imagine, we are able to deduce that a certain species of orangutans will become far more intelligent than humans 30 000 years into the future. Guess what we're going to do? It's the same situation with aliens and us.
Then would you care to explain how the Egyptians went from an extremely primitive state to 'all of a sudden' having much knowledge on mathematics, astronomy, engineering - in some cases, even better knowledge than us?
Or what about the Mesopotamians and their 'drawings' of aliens?
Or what about the many thousands - or is it millions? - of 'alien abduction cases'?
How about trying to explain away all those hundreds of millions of 'UFO sightings'?
While you are at it, you might want to figure out how 'abductees' often have what appears to be an 'ultraviolet tattoo' of sorts (I can't recall the precise details off hand).
Maybe they have technology capable of rendering useless our best weapons.
And if they don't?
Assume that using extremely advance methods which I cannot imagine, we are able to deduce that a certain species of orangutans will become far more intelligent than humans 30 000 years into the future. Guess what we're going to do?
Eradicate them, most likely; however, that would be out of fear on our part. We wouldn't not know that they would mean us harm; we'd be letting our fear get in the way of things.
Then would you care to explain how the Egyptians went from an extremely primitive state to 'all of a sudden' having much knowledge on mathematics, astronomy, engineering - in some cases, even better knowledge than us?
According to Encounters, one of many magazines in my paranormal collection, the pyramids went from shoddily designed and with little mathematical accuracy to the most complex of engineering and mathematics for thousands of years. As I recall, they are more precise than the best of today's buildings.
I started to transcribe that article a few weeks ago, perhaps I'll finish it later on...
Or their drawings of mythological things.
I'm still not convinced that weasels didn't give birth through their ears. (that's an in-joke.)
According to Encounters, one of many magazines in my paranormal collection, the pyramids went from shoddily designed and with little mathematical accuracy to the most complex of engineering and mathematics for thousands of years. As I recall, they are more precise than the best of today's buildings.
Even if the designwork upgraded itself quickly, which I doubt was as quick as you interpret it to be, we know that humans are perfectly capable of working out maths and engineering. So at best you're supporting the idea that some great minds were born back then.
I saw nothing of particular interest in that video. You need to clarify.
(P.S. I really would like to see what you think of that second last video)
Which? The second and last video or second to last?
If you're talking about the second to last video, it didn't impress me. Our government pours billions into military research and unusual technologies are the product of that. However the real indicators of falsehood to me are statements like "anti-gravity" or other scientific mistakes. If a video suggests alien technology that defies physics or biology, it's most likely bogus.
Besides all this, I've never encountered anything suspicious in classified military and political documents I've read that would corroborate the claims of this video. This actually brings up yet another point, I can easily access military and government top secret documents, but if the government is SO GOOD and hiding things, why was I able to recently read about the methodology our government uses to torture people or the tactics encouraged when our operatives need to destabilise a foreign power from within? You'd think top secret documents would be, you know, a little more secret.
Prove it doesn't, and I'll stop calling it a conjecture.
Then would you care to explain how the Egyptians went from an extremely primitive state to 'all of a sudden' having much knowledge on mathematics, astronomy, engineering - in some cases, even better knowledge than us?
Or what about the Mesopotamians and their 'drawings' of aliens?
Or what about the many thousands - or is it millions? - of 'alien abduction cases'?
How about trying to explain away all those hundreds of millions of 'UFO sightings'?
While you are at it, you might want to figure out how 'abductees' often have what appears to be an 'ultraviolet tattoo' of sorts (I can't recall the precise details off hand).
All hoaxes. Cept that the Eygptians didn't get so smart so suddenly (it took time), and whatever the Mesopotamians drew, it just so happened that some fit our version of an alien. How many drawings have been dismissed or relegated to the back shelf because they would cause no excitement?
Maybe they have technology capable of rendering useless our best weapons.
And if they don't?
I'd rather be the man who was prepared for the LARGE threat that never came than the one who wasn't prepared for the one the did come. If they don't, hooray.
Assume that using extremely advance methods which I cannot imagine, we are able to deduce that a certain species of orangutans will become far more intelligent than humans 30 000 years into the future. Guess what we're going to do?
Eradicate them, most likely; however, that would be out of fear on our part. We wouldn't not know that they would mean us harm; we'd be letting our fear get in the way of things.
Prove it doesn't, and I'll stop calling it a conjecture.
The burden of proof is on you.
All hoaxes. Cept that the Eygptians didn't get so smart so suddenly (it took time), and whatever the Mesopotamians drew, it just so happened that some fit our version of an alien. How many drawings have been dismissed or relegated to the back shelf because they would cause no excitement?
Assume that using extremely advance methods which I cannot imagine, we are able to deduce that a certain species of orangutans will become far more intelligent than humans 30 000 years into the future. Guess what we're going to do?
What makes you think that humans wouldn't continue to get smarter at the same rate, over the course of that 30,000 years? What makes you think that getting smarter equates to being "more dangerous"?
What makes you think that humans wouldn't continue to get smarter at the same rate, over the course of that 30,000 years? What makes you think that getting smarter equates to being "more dangerous"?
I never mentioned how fast people will get smarter. I'm just creating a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which in 30 000 years...(you know how it goes). Because nature's way is power, conquest and immortality, that's why they will be more dangerous.
I'm pretty sure that there are aliens out there. WE can't be the only life form in this huge, ever-expanding universe. That's merely impossible. Although, there are no evidence that aliens visited us in the past, that doesn't mean the didn't. I think that they are so different (not obligatory more advanced, tho) that we can't possibly find them with our equipment, which is meant for detecting Carbon-based lifeforms, like us, humans. Many people believe that aliens are so advanced that they don't feel threatened by us and therefore don't bother killing us, or taking preventive measures like locking us inside our atmosphere or something. But what if aliens are less advanced than us, did you ever think of that?
At any given moment there may be millions or even billions of civilisations amongst the stars, but space is so vast that we never see them and can only speculate. It's likely the same for them too, the vast majority would be too distant to communicate with each other.
And yet, is there not just as great a chance that there is but one 'civilization', if you can even call us that? Or are you going to use Schroedinger's Cat, stating that, until evidence that they either exist or do not exist, we can assume both?
And yet, is there not just as great a chance that there is but one 'civilization', if you can even call us that?
Very dubious, since it seems that life is a natural product of the universe, theory allows for it to be commonplace. However, you're right that without true observational evidence we're operating a bit blind here.
I place my trust in theory, because it seems that planets far enough from their suns for liquid water aren't so rare, Gliese 581 d supports this, and we live in a vast universe where even improbable things happen in abundance.
Liquid water is only one paramitor that makes life on Earth possible. THere's a huge list of interbalanced factors that we need to exist. I don't believe that water on Mars necessarily meant life on Mars. We wouldn't exist without so many precise factors other that water
Liquid water is only one paramitor that makes life on Earth possible. THere's a huge list of interbalanced factors that we need to exist. I don't believe that water on Mars necessarily meant life on Mars. We wouldn't exist without so many precise factors other that water
Mars doesn't have liquid water, however. But you're right, there are other factors necessary for life's formation, I just considered water to be the most important but we need hydrogen cyanide, nitrogen compounds, and so on. We also need an atmosphere of some kind.
It is big. It is bustling. However the bigness of it and the speed of light limit on travel seem to predetermine that while there is likely a lot of life out there, it is nowhere near full.
Not to say there is not a lot of it out there. It seems that every single theory, scientific theory of how life begins here, makes it a simple thing which could easily happen billions upon billions of times throughout the universe - there being approximately 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10^23) stars in the Universe, it is nearly impossible that there shouldn't just accidental be all kinds of life out there, some of it quite a bit smarter than us I should think.
The books also stated that the percentage occupation of the universe was 0%, or so close to it as makes representing the actual percentage irrelevant. The books proposed that the universe was infinite and therefore a finite number of inhabitants would render such a percentage. It is, however, mathematically unlikely that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. Such a notion is a by-product of arrogant, erroneous Christian teachings.
I think it is possible that aliens exist & we can't find them yet, but i am choosing 'No' for now because there's no evidence. Every planet we have found so far has no life. I understand that there are billions and billions of unseen planets but why are the hundreds that we have seen ALL lifeless???
