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Debate Score:38
Arguments:44
Total Votes:40
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Is there a war on cops?

Yes

Side Score: 20
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No

Side Score: 18
2 points

Is there a war on cops?

Hello A,

What? You know something I don’t know? Where do I sign up. Fuck the cops.

excon

Side: Yes
Amarel(5135) Disputed
0 points

Your going to miss them when they're gone. Maybe sooner than you think.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/10-florida-swat-officers-quit-unit-over- political-climate-report

Side: No
BurritoLunch(5143) Disputed Banned
2 points

Your

You're. Stop with this defiance of grade school grammar please.

Side: Yes
excon(14590) Disputed
1 point

Your going to miss them when they're gone

Hello again, A:

SWAT.. You mean the cops dressed up as soldiers with their tanks and flash bang grenades??

Americans are NOT the enemy. Fuck the cops..

excon

Side: Yes
ks8152030 Disputed
1 point

My step dad was a police officer for 14 years. He let one of his cop friends molest me in a pool in our backyard while I was wasted. Same guy verbally attacks me on an opinion BLM post on my own personal page. My black fiance defended me, and called out the cop who did it. Then my mother and stepfather proceeded to verbally attack my fiance, and the conversation ended with my mother calling me on the phone and calling my fiance a stupid n*. And that is the last memory that resonates with me, as I remember the family that I used to be a part of. A family of white cops. What am I missing again? More importantly, what makes you think you know whether or not I will miss them?

Side: Yes
2 points

There's definitely quite a bit of antagonism towards the cops and the police as an institution, and for damn good reason. People have every justified reason to hate the cops.

Side: Yes
Amarel(5135) Clarified
1 point

The main reason being that they believe this bullshit about police hunting down black men in the streets.

Washington Post has been tracking police shootings for 5 years. There's around 1000 people shot and killed each year and around 250 of them are black. Last year only 9 we're unarmed which does not mean they were not a lethal threat. Meanwhile, social justice studies are being published claiming that police killings are a leading cause of death for black people. A look at any relevant statistical database shows that this is bullshit, but people don't look at those

Side: Yes
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

The main justification being that the United States has a significantly higher rate of killings by law enforcement than many other nations (sauce). You do not need to introduce racism into the equation for police brutality to be an objectionable condition, although that's in vogue right now.

Just as being unarmed does not automatically translate into being non-threatening, being armed does not automatically translate into being threatening (particularly when being armed is recognized as a constitutional right). In 2019, 17% of fatalities involved black people with firearms and 24% involved white people with firearms (Washington Post). In 2014 (most recent data I can find), blacks accounted for 19% of gun owners and whites for 41% (sauce). There is no obvious and compelling reason to presume that black gun owners are less responsible than white gun owners. Obviously, the conclusions we can draw from this are limited by the temporal spread and lack of controlled variables (e.g. income, neurodivergence, etc.). However, I think it's enough to say that the problem of police brutality may be compounded to some degree by racial bias. Minimally, it seems premature to suppose that racism does not intersect with police brutality.

Again, though, I think the distributions of the effects are a bit beside the point here. The United States is a carceral and militarized state order. That is not in the interest of anyone who values their liberty or general well-being. Incidentally, I think that actually includes many law enforcement officers (even in their capacity as agents of that order).

Side: No
1 point

There is not a war on cops, just a realization that the conduct of a small percentage of them needs to be better regulated.

The image of shooting people and eating doughnuts seems to be how the police are wrongly perceived today.

The average cop has dedicated his/her life to serving and protecting the general public and it must be recognised that it is a tiny minority of their number who behave in a totally unacceptable manner.

We still need to support the police in their on-going fight against crime and anarchy.

Side: No
Amarel(5135) Disputed
1 point

Before anyone knew anything about the shooting in Atlanta (which was totally justified), the officer was fired and the chief was running scared to keep.her pension. Police will stop doing the necessary work in case saving their own life means loosing their livelihood.

Side: Yes
Miocene(608) Disputed
2 points

There wasn't much chance, if any, of a crazed man killing someone while wildly firing a non-lethal Taser at police while trying to escape arrest.

Unless there is clear evidence that a police officer's life, or anyone's life is in imminent danger there is no excuse whatsoever for using a deadly firearm.

The Atlanta incident is a prime example of what is causing most of the civil unrest in America today.

Side: No
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

On what basis do you conclude that the average cop has dedicated their life to serving and protecting the general public? And on what basis do you side with law and order? I'm curious why you're so enthralled with the general welfare (an abstraction) and so divested from the direct responsibility of liberty ('anarchy').

Side: No
1 point

No, unless one wishes to re-define the term ‘war’ in an attempt to demonstrate how unfair they think recent criticisms of the police force are in the US.

There is no doubt the police are collectively attempting to play the victim card in an attempt to get the public onside again which is a typical ruse of the bully boy and gladly the public have had enough

of the constant stream of BS excuses and attempted justifications by PR types throwing out terms like “reform “ , “retraining “ “ working for the public” etc , etc ,

I see the police in Chicago are now saying they are ‘to afraid ‘ to carry out their police work in case of a public ‘backlash’’ that translates to .....”Damn we cannot legally murder , maim and bully citizens anymore “

What’s truly remarkable is that in the recent death by strangulation fellow officers watched as did citizens and no one did fuck all.

A couple of days later after the death a peaceful protester was pushed to the ground forcefully by a thug in uniform and within minutes a police spokesman was on attempting to justify it followed by Trump doing likewise .

The police in the US seem to have this untouchable self entitled aura about them . 2 years ago on a trip to New York I was amazed to see nearly every cop was an obese tub of lard normally seen stuffing its face with a dozen doughnuts or a Burger , I asked one of these brutes directions to my destination and was greeted by a series of grunts and several waves of chubby hand ......This type of brute is placed on the streets to uphold the Law ......

Washington Post

Videos showed police officers in recent nights using batons, tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets on protesters, bystanders and journalists, often without warning or seemingly unprovoked. The footage, which has been shared widely online, highlighted the very complaints over police behavior that have drawn protests in at least 75 cities across the United States.

In Salt Lake City, officers in riot gear shoved a man with a cane to the ground.

In Brooklyn, two police S.U.V.s plowed into a crowd of protesters.

In Atlanta, police officers enforcing a curfew stopped two college students in a car, fired Tasers on them and dragged them out of it

And in Minneapolis, where there have been six consecutive nights of protests and clashes, a video appeared to show officers yelling at people on their porches to get inside and then firing paint canisters at them. “Light them up,” one officer said.

Side: No