Is there actually a problem with Donald Trump's wall?
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It's a colossal waste of money that will be payed for by the tax payers, and will do nothing to stop people from crossing the border. They can just use ladders, grappling hooks, and tunnels like they already do at the walled off sections. The only way to stop people from crossing the border is by having 24/7 surveillance of every inch of the border, which just isn't financially feasible, especially since the last two presidents left us with massive amounts of debt, and Trump is just going to increase that debt even more. Some 700 miles of border fencing had already been completed along the country's nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico much of it during Barack Obama's presidency. Democrats were not complaining about a colossal waste of money payed by taxpayers on Obama's wall between Mexico and the United States.Looks as if you found financially feasible under Obama. What made you have a changed of heart on taxpayers money. 2
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"Some 700 miles of border fencing had already been completed along the country's nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico much of it during Barack Obama's presidency." So because one president wasted money, it's okay for all of them to do it? That's the excuse children give when they get in trouble. "Yes I stole that candy bar from the store, but Kenny did it too!" "Democrats were not complaining about a colossal waste of money payed by taxpayers on Obama's wall between Mexico and the United States." I'm not a Democrat, so maybe you should take that up with them. "Looks as if you found financially feasible under Obama." Show me where I said it was financially feasible under Obama. Oh that's right, I didn't. Just like FromWithin, you argue against your imaginary stereotypes instead of finding out what people actually believe. I'm against illegal immigration and support deporting them, but building a multi-billion dollar wall that will do nothing to stop them is ludicrous. 1
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What don't you get? The past two administrations lack the guts to build a wll and it kep GETTING WORSE. Now we have someone who will at least DO SOMETHING, and the usual nay sayer Liberals complain. This is because the only money that is ever allowed to be spent by the Left is money for able bodied dead beats living off tax payers. Democrats, Liberlas, Progressives ARE SOCIALISTS! They live and breathe their ideology no matter how much harm it is causing to our nation and our families. WILL YOU EVER WAKE UP? Nah, as you watch Europe implode form their bleeding heart socialism, you scream we want THAT! Europe is dying from the influx of Muslims and Democrats over here scream when we want to make sure no radical Islamic Muslims come in. CAN YOU SPELL FOOLS? 3
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"What don't you get?" You're the one who is not getting it. You're too dense to understand that building a wall will do nothing to stop illegal immigrants. We might as well spend billions of dollars building a giant statue of Napoleon Dynamite riding a Unicorn, because that would be just as effective at stopping illegal immigrants. "CAN YOU SPELL FOOLS?" Yes, there are many ways to spell it, such as FromWithin, NowASaint, and Outlaw60. 3
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Donald Trump wished to create a wall on the border of the U.S.A., preventing any ILLEGAL migrants from entering the country. This is not a racist gesture, for he believes that any someone of any culture should not be allowed to enter his country Illegally. This idea of a wall some might consider to be disgusting, because they are pro giving homes to immigrants. But, even when ILLEGAL immigrants(from Mexico), enter the USA, they still face hardships, because people find that they can find an immigrant for a job, but they can get away with not paying this person nearly as much as they they should. Because of this, emigrating to USA isn't that much better than legally staying in their own bluddy country. This comment is simply to start up the debate. I look forward to other peoples opinions. The wall won't solve the national crisis of illegal immigrants and Mexican criminals from entering the country but, along with increased border patrols it will significantly reduce the number of Latino low lives contaminating the U.S.A. If anyone ever took the trouble to study the immigration laws of Mexico they would realise that even with Trump's enhanced security measures we are one of the most laxed nations on earth when it comes to border control and way behind the restrictions of most Latin American countries, including the greasers. The filth who turned Mexico into a shithole are now in the U.S.A, in their millions and are turning great tracts of the country into crime ridden hellholes where decent folk cannot venture. Large areas of America is out of bounds to millions of U.S, citizens. This outrageous scenario cannot be allowed to continue unchecked. 3
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You are of course correct. There is nothing wrong with a wall to protect our borders. Democrats and Progressives and Liberals (all one in the same) hate him and will distort anything he stands for. Democrats see illegal immigrants and refugees as future votes and is why they refuse to deport even criminal illegal immigrants in sanctury cities. Do you EVER hear the Left say he only wants to keep illegals out? NEVER! They always lie and say that he does not want any mexican immigrants, or any Muslim refugees, or he hates women, or he is a racist nazi, etc. etc. etc. These extremists in the Democrat Party are absolute corrupt liars. They all march in lock step in their false narrative about him. Every late night tv show, or Hollywood awards show, or Democrat talking head speak with the same forked tounge. I believe they all get together to get their lies straight, and push the same rhetoric non stop. Then they wonder why they lost the election. THANK GOD WORKING AMERICANS ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH THEIR LIES AND EXTREMISM. The Democrat Prty lost huge in this election. They lost the congress, the senate, the governorships, the state legislatures, and did these extremists learn anything? No, they didn't blame the loss on Hillary and their progressive extremism, they blame the loss on Russia, the FBI, the deplorable and irredeemable people who voted for Trump, etc. etc. They never blame the fact that they ran a pure corrupt Perjurer Hillary Clinton, and instead of accepting the election results, they are going even more Liberal once again picking Nncy Pelosi as their minority leader. THEY ARE EXTREMIST FOOLS TIED TO THE NO RESTRICTION FEMINIST ABORTION LOBBY. They have spent every second since trump's election trying to demonize him and fight every administration appointment. It's funny how childish and poor losers these people on the Left have become. Now get ready to get some attention to your debate. The progressive stalkers will flock in to insult me as always, just as they do Trump. I don't really have a problem with the wall itself. Nations need control of their borders. Though I wouldn't bust the bank to build it. But I have a big problem with bombastic a$$es being d!cks to people who have harder lives than themselves, and this wall project has become a rallying cry for those people. 2
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Yes there's a big problem with it. First, FIrst, its stereotypical. Just because a person comes from Mexico doesn't mean they're going to ruin the environment. Mexicans could add more jobs to America by starting businesses. Americas supposed to be the mixing pot of the world and Trumps ruining it. Second, Why would Mexico build a wall to encourage something so dumb. Thats like telling Mexicans to jump off a bridge and actually expect them to do it. The wall is a stupid idea. The very large amount of money that it will cost to build such a wall. And its ineffective ability to actually stop anyone. Even to build a wall that a explosive couldn't take down instantly would cost so much and could be dug under could go over or even just around it via the ocean. 2
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You have absolutely no clue how much deterence this wall will be to illegal immigrants. It's funny how I never hear the Left speak to the cost of changing EVERY public school bathroom to allow boys in the girls bathrooms. How about the cost of expanded medicaid in every state, or the cost of sanctuary cities, or the cost of paying for these millions of illegal immigrants on our social programs, etc. Nah, Liberals never care about cost until a Republican is spending the money, then all of a sudden you become deficit hawks! Who do you think you are kidding? Democrats see illegal immigrants and refugees as millions more minority votes. THAT IS THEIR ONLY REASON FOR BEING SO WEAK ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND POSSIBLE TERRORIST REFUGEES. 4
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It's funny how I never hear the Left speak to the cost of changing EVERY public school bathroom to allow boys in the girls bathrooms. Because that costs exactly $0.00. THAT IS THEIR ONLY REASON FOR BEING SO WEAK ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND POSSIBLE TERRORIST REFUGEES. You wanna know my reason for being 'weak' on illegal immigration? Because immigrants, legal or no, are people. Human. Beings. And I don't think being American somehow makes you more deserving of basic needs, being with your family, or anything like that. Contrary to what you may believe, illegal immigrants still pay taxes. They contribute to society just as much as you do. And those 'possible terrorists refugees' are in far more danger than I ever will be in my entire life. So excuse me for wanting to help them. 1
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"It's funny how I never hear the Left speak to the cost of changing EVERY public school bathroom to allow boys in the girls bathrooms." This is completely irrelevant and also not my position in that argument stop trying to classify me in some labeling you people like to use. "How about the cost of expanded medicaid in every state, or the cost of sanctuary cities, or the cost of paying for these millions of illegal immigrants on our social programs, etc." This is no refute to anything I have said rather a point in argument for your position "Nah, Liberals never care about cost until a Republican is spending the money, then all of a sudden you become deficit hawks!" again not relevant Who do you think you are kidding? Democrats see illegal immigrants and refugees as millions more minority votes. THAT IS THEIR ONLY REASON FOR BEING SO WEAK ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND POSSIBLE TERRORIST REFUGEES wow man almost everything you have said this entire post is not relevant to my argument in anyway. what you said above only matters if the wall works which I am saying it will not. Again there is fencing/walls in place already and they can just go under or over or around. 1
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If there wasn't a problem with Donald Trumps HEAD we wouldn't be TALKING about a wall that will, at best, discourage a few with little ingenuity or determination! At a price of $12B+ it will always be known as Trumps Folly! He will probably put out an Executive Order that will name it "Obama's Wall" just before he leaves office .... if there is an office for him to leave at that time! 1
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Yes, I think there is a problem with Donald Trump building a wall. I am British but I still look at it and think, it is a bit ridiculous. Really I can only think negative thoughts. Like: Well it will cost loads of money, the US will lose a lot of money(This is unlikely but they might go into debt), by the time they finish the wall the Mexicans may have either given up or their country has money and they don't bother trying to get in anymore. Donald cannot get enough workers, otherwise, all the builders who might be working on buildings like schools, hospitals and homes will probably work on it. Causing a delay on housework and other essential buildings. Though it is a good idea, maybe he could just make sure police are on duty and if a Mexican were caught they could maybe have a hall of the Mexicans trying to enter and keep an eye out for them. I know it maybe hard but, I'm not good with politics. I'm young. I don't actually care. I do this as a hobby. tldr; Francamente, la política del gobierno de inmigración nos ha no funcionado pero no porque de inmigrantes indocumentados. Nos hemos hablado sobre esas personas ya con no resultados. Tuve escribir esto resumen en español por la ironía, pero es cierto. Really though, the wall is absolutely pointless. If everyone is so needlessly worried about border security that's already fairly strong, then we're better off enforcing the policies we have in place currently instead of making new ones that do nothing but fuel controversy. Some of the border is already covered by a fence, and with so many patrol agents surrounding the area and so many inspectors at places of entry, there really isn't much more that could be done to dissuade others from attempting to cross it without the required documentation. Not to mention, illegal immigration from Mexico has actually declined in recent years and more people are leaving the US than trying to enter it, which makes it even more ridiculous how far some people wanna go now to divide the two countries. Besides, despite popular belief, people who enter the country illegally usually don't pose much of a threat to our national safety. Personal opinions on undocumented immigrants aside, most of them come to the country without going through the proper processes because they don't have the means to enter legally. If they had the opportunity to, they would, and just because they want to better their lives for themselves and their families doesn't automatically make them immoral people. I'm not claiming that no criminals in that community exist, but if anything, immigrants have more of a deterrence to crime than fully fledged citizens do. After all, why would they go out of their way to cause trouble if it's just going to lead to them being deported? Even with the wall, if people really wanted to get in they could find ways, whether it be by digging tunnels or traveling by air. It's not an end all be all idea and it doesn't actually solve any problems. It's just a useless preventative measure that's gonna disrupt relations between our two countries even more than Trump's generalizations already have. The wall would be a waste of millions of dollars that could be spent on things so much more valuable (public education anyone?) than a false sense of security. The safer someone feels, the more likely they are to participate in risky behavior, and given the current political climate I think it's important to minimize conflicts wherever possible. Enrique Peña Nieto is understandably against the prospect of Mexico paying for the wall, so how exactly is the cost gonna be covered? Trump's considered everything from cutting the funding of other government departments to putting a 20% import tax on products coming from Mexico, which would end up pushing the cost on consumers in the United States anyways. I've seen others in this thread mention that no one cared when other presidents spent money on things like this, but that's completely irrelevant. Regardless of the criticism past leaders may or may not have been faced with, it doesn't suddenly make misusing our budget justifiable. And finally, although I'm not saying it's right for them to enter the country at their own digression, undocumented immigrants aren't nearly as much of a burden to our economy as people seem to think and we need to stop using them as a scapegoat for everything wrong in our country. Contrary to popular belief, they do pay taxes, and they also can't benefit from government assistance programs like welfare or food stamps, though they can use emergency health services and the children can sign up for school. They contribute largely to our workforce, particularly in farming and construction occupations, but no, that doesn't mean that they're stealing jobs. There's actually no direct correlation between US citizen unemployment rates and the number of illegal immigrants in the country. Some employers will actually go out of their way to hire undocumented immigrants because they can get away with working them longer hours for less pay. Though this doesn't bode positively for the wellbeing of the workers, goods produced by them tend to cost less because of the cheap labor force. The misinformation and fear mongering being spread everywhere, on both sides of the coin even, is ridiculous. I respect the views of people against undocumented immigration, but those who support the wall really need to consider what our country's priorities should be. It would just be a colossal misuse of our money that's meant to solve a fairly insignificant problem, despite the very real issues coming from right inside the US. A few sources, though I'd be glad to find more: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ https:// 0
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