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Is there an 'ADHD Conspiracy'?

Kids who only want to be active in this laziness-endorsing socity are being given extremely powerful mind-altering drugs with extremely serious side effects (angina, hallucinations, bipolar disorder, high blood pressure, schizophrenia, and many, many more); in fact, the side-effects are far more alarming than the actual symptoms of 'ADHD' (if such a condition really exists)!!!

Yes

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2 points

I like to call it LPADD -lack of parental attention deficit disorder. ( the core of the problem)

Or

PBS - pass the buck syndrome. ( the believers of adhd)

OR

FSR- free spirit retardation. (what they do to the child via meds such as ritalin)

Isnt it time to stop the natural courses of evolution of the human mind being stifled by emotion blockers ?

Ritalin etc is pure chemist speed. The cleanest amphetamine you can get. I used to take them to get high. I would be awake for days.

However i also have taken them when i was hypo and they countereacted the hype.

I have also known a child who after bad behaviour in school was falsely diagnosed as having adhd . After outside investigation the childs poor behaviour and progress at school was eventually linked to boredom.

Two months later , they had this same student marking the year six exams.

He was only in year two.

Side: yes

I must say that I agree with all of it except for this part:

Isnt it time to stop the natural courses of evolution of the human mind being stifled by emotion blockers ?

I do not believe that ADHD is 'new', so to speak. I, and others with whom I have consulted or read about, are of the opinion "ADHD" is actually the result of encouraged laziness. For instance, in Britain, parks, outdoor activities, even running, is being banned! Children sit inside a schoolroom all day, then go home and study or play video games or use the computer; they need exercise. The so-called 'symptoms of ADHD' are actually their brain's manifestation of their contained energy.

For example, if just about anybody withholds their emotions for too long, they are bound to experience some form of 'breakdown'. I did! I went so long even doubting that I had emotions before realizing that I had, somehow, been 'hiding' them even from myself! I started to get nearly [whew!] uncontrollable bouts of emotion from the slightest of gesture. It's the exact same thing with children and their inactivity - they can only remain inactive for so long until something happens.

Another theory which, perhaps, could, upon further augmentation, 'meld' with that previous theory is that the government is doing this all on purpose! Building up fear in parents about pedophiles on every street corner, drugs and sex everywhere - parents don't want their children out of their sight! And, if they happen to be inside or at work most of the time, then the children are going to remain inside.

Why would the government be doing this, you might ask? Well, the answer is simple. The government is evil. The government has a Hell of a lot of power, and now they want even more. What is easier than getting power than getting power over a bunch of drugged soon-to-be adults?

Think of it this way: government 'creates' a fictitious disease, convinces the populace that it is dangerous and can only be controlled through an extremely powerful, mind-numbing drug. For the sake of society, along with their child's well-being, parents agree to drug their children.

However! There are those that refuse! What better way of getting rid of their dissent than by either 1. suspending children from schools or 2. prosecuting the parents on 'child abuse' charges? They even give money to schools for each child they get diagnosed!

Side: yes
1 point

What i mean is that the evolutional process of diversity of humans,

(any attitudes or behaviours , thoughts or ideas ,emotions or feelings )

that are considered not normal , are being squashed by methods such as medications and or brainwashing tecniques , rather than harnessing underlying potentials for whatever they may be.

Side: yes
2 points

When I was a youngster my dad had a very simple solution to any such problems with concentration.

If i was supposed to be sitting down but instead was running around, he simply pulled out his belt and I sat down really quickly.

If i wasn't paying attention in class and i got in trouble, he was standing at the door with his belt when I got home.

If i wasn't following directions, he pulled out his belt.

ADHD is just an excuse for parents that don't discipline their kids properly. I say reinstate corpral punishment in schools and I guarantee those kids will be cured of their "ADHD."

Side: parenting problem
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

I say reinstate corpral punishment in schools and I guarantee those kids will be cured of their "ADHD."

Returning to the past is not going to solve our problems.

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
1 point

Returning to the past is not going to solve our problems.

Why? There weren't all that many problems back then.

Side: yes

Priscilla Alderson is Professor of Childhood Studies at the Institute of Education, University of London.

"More than one in 20 schoolage children have been diagnosed with ADHD, and by 2007, some experts predict that one in seven schoolchildren will be on mood-altering pills - such as the infamous Ritalin - to control anti-social behaviour.

Yet not too long ago, ADHD was unheard of.

So have scientists identified an old disease - or invented a new one? The truth is that a disorder or a syndrome is not a medical diagnosis, but a collection of behaviours.

These are so broad and vague that almost everyone has them at some point. Getting agitated, losing your temper and being bored are classic symptoms of ADHD - but don't all children behave like that sometimes?

What has caused the rise in ADHD? I believe it has much to do with the destruction of real childhood - shutting children away in schools, crËches, homes and cars.

Recently, David Blunkett said he was 'reclaiming the streets' from young people. I believe we have already stolen the streets from them.

Once, they were the children's playground, where they could have freedom and fun, while their parents had some peace at home.

Now, it is a crime to 'hang about' with your friends. Local authorities have closed hundreds of parks, playgrounds, play groups and youth clubs.

Campaigns, such as 'say no to strangers', create fear. Adults are afraid to speak to a child in case they look like paedophiles. Children with problems at home may have no one to turn to.

Fear of accidents and of being sued leads adults to treat children like china dolls. Then, the safest place is on the sofa in front of the TV ads. Or playing computer games, or watching videos.

With all this enforced inactivity, children who try to be active are seen as abnormal or 'hyper'. Then doctors helpfully add drugs such as Ritalin to the stew of hyperinducing chemicals that children have already ingested from sweets and fizzy drinks.

So how could we help the children likely to be diagnosed with these 'syndromes', and their parents?

If we were serious, we would have to make major changes. Those who work the longest hours and on lower pay tend to be parents with young children.

After a day in top gear, it is hard to adjust to toddler pace, or enjoy an evening picnic. No wonder children have to react to get their share of attention.

Many British children are locked into frustrating, failing struggles with maths and literacy lessons that they could do quickly and easily when a couple of years older. Is this frustration manifesting itself as the classic anti-social behaviour exhibited by ADHD children?

I don't believe the statistics that condemn so many children to this label are fair. We need to look at the way society creates hyperactivity in so many children, and adults. And stop stigmatising - and drugging - the lively ones."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-190390/Does-ADHD-really-exist.html#ixzz0t9SnNAS5

Side: yes

Unruly behaviour by children is falsely attributed to ADHD and autism, academic claims

Professor Priscilla Alderson claims in the Times newspaper that behavioural 'syndromes' are normal childhood restlessness of a generation stuck at home.

But Barry Bourne, an educational psychologist, who has worked with children for 35 years, rejects the claims that his profession is exploiting labels to make money.

July 28, 2003 - Source: This article is taken from The Times newspaper

.......

Unruly behaviour by many children is being falsely attributed to medical complaints and syndromes when better parenting is needed, a leading academic has claimed.

Priscilla Alderson, Professor of Childhood Studies at London University, said that syndromes such as attention deficit disorder and mild autism were being exploited by psychologists keen to “make a quick buck”.

Her conclusion will provoke fury among psychologists and the parents of affected children, who have spent years fighting for recognition of a range of behavioural problems. The National Autistic Society said that questioning the diagnoses would add to the “stress and confusion” suffered by many families.

The number of children registered with special needs has almost doubled over the past decade to 1.4 million — an increase from 11.6 per cent to 19.2 per cent in primary schools and from 9.6 per cent to 16.5 per cent in secondary schools. The term encompasses learning difficulties, such as dyslexia, to various syndromes on the “autism spectrum”.

Professor Alderson was backed by Eamonn O’Kane, leader of the National Association of Schoolmasters and Union of Woman Teachers, who said that members were cynical about an explosion in the number of special needs diagnoses and called for more support for teachers facing bad behaviour.

Professor Alderson said that it was often convenient for neglectful parents to claim that a child had a behavioural disorder. She believes that much of the increase can be put down to more flexible interpretations of normal childhood traits, such as restlessness and excitability. In our more gullible age, she says, this becomes attention deficit — which could be solved by engaging more with children and allowing them to let off steam in traditional fashion by playing in parks and climbing trees.

“I recently visited a special school which had 27 children diagnosed as autistic. Of those, only two that I met displayed the lack of eye contact and absence of empathy which denotes true autism,” she said. “Money is behind all this. Pyschologists want the work, and lower the diagnosis threshold accordingly. Special needs is an administrative device describing children who have extra needs from those provided for in the average classroom.

“Playgrounds and parks are empty, because of the scare stories about abductions. But children need the space and freedom to play, run and climb — without that, they are restless, and come to be seen as abnormally ‘hyperactive’.

“About eight children are murdered outside the home each year, compared with about 50 inside. Cooping up children inside homes is not going to do them any good.”

Professor Alderson, 57, who has three grown-up children and three grandchildren, admitted that her eldest daughter had been “difficult”, something she attributes to her naivity at the time about how to be a good parent. “By the time my other children came along I had realised that if you treat children as adults then they will behave accordingly.”

Teachers have complained about the growth in the syndromes, alleging that it gives pupils an excuse to avoid discipline. They are also suspicious about the number of children who are able to use a diagnosis to claim more time in their examinations. For a fee of £50, an educational psychologist or specialist teacher can attest that a child should claim at least 25 per cent extra time because they have behavioural or learning disorders.

Almost 37,000 11-year-olds were given extra time in their national test in English last year — up by 8,000, or more than 35 per cent, in two years. Similar increases were seen in maths and science tests.

Barry Bourne, an educational psychologist, who has worked with children for 35 years, rejected the claims that his profession was exploiting labels to make money. “In the past I think we had a very crude view of some of these disorders,” he said. “It is a very complicated issue. I think we have a much better understanding of what aspects make up a personality than we did when I first joined the profession. Personally I am convinced that family history plays a far more significant part than we believed in the past, and while surroundings and upbringing are also important alone they simply do not explain why certain people from the same family develop in very different ways.”

Mr O’Kane, general secretary of the second-largest teaching union, said: “A lot of teachers are very cynical about the reasons behind the boom in the numbers of these conditions. We need to do more to address the consequences for staff who have to deal with the bad behaviour.”

An internet chatroom used anonymously by teachers reveals the beliefs of many members of the profession. One posting, left this month by a teacher identified only as “re”, complained about students who “are whipped off to a psychologist and labelled if they show the slightest sign of misbehaviour”.

It goes on: “This ‘diagnosis’ then becomes an excuse for more misbehaviour — we have students with ‘mild tourettes’ and lots of ADHD — and yet they can behave well if threatened with punishment.”

Someone calling herself Miss Nomer responds: “Writing as a special-needs teacher, I am quite sure that a lot of it is complete b. I get sick of being trashed by some little s who then tells me I can’t punish him because his pill hasn’t kicked in yet. When you give a kid a syndrome, you give him an excuse.”

She blamed “uppity parents looking for compensation, extra funding, a stick to beat teacher and an excuse for their kid’s obnoxious behaviour and their inadequate parenting”.

Eileen Hopkins, a director of the National Autistic Society, said: “This can only add to the stress and confusion that many families face. The importance of receiving a correct diagnosis cannot be emphasised enough. Access to the most appropriate education and support depends on it. No reputable diagnostician is likely to make an on-the-spot diagnosis. Our experience is that diagnosis is still a battle for many families. Teachers believe the numbers of children with an autistic spectrum disorder is on the increase.”

Many young children feel unsafe in local parks as these are often dirty and dominated by gangs of older youths, a report says today. Lack of opportunities to play out safely was the top concern of 5- to 13-year-olds from deprived parts of England, according to research by the education watchdog Ofsted for the Government’s Children’s Fund.

Side: yes
1 point

It seems everything nowadays is being 'linked' to ADHD..................................

Supporting Evidence: Link (www.chaada.org)
Side: yes
2 points

Is it a conspiracy? I find that very doubtful. Is it a case of medicalization? It very well might be. The problem is that the condition itself and the means of testing for it are extremely vague and subjective. All children have attention problems, this is entirely natural do we need to define this as a medical problem? The cause may be entirely sociological.

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
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Read this and pay special attention to the parts in bold. The government is forcing parents to give their children ritalin; if not, they get charged for child abuse! Meanwhile, there are many professionals - child neurologists, teachers, psychiatrists, professors, etc. - who claim that ADHD does not exist!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3093087.stm

Schools in row over Ritalin

Schools are threatening to expel hyperactive children who do not take

the controversial drug Ritalin, the BBC has learnt.

Some parents are even being told that their children may be taken into

care if they do not put their children on the drug.

The claims come as a survey in Scotland suggests some youngsters are

selling Ritalin to drug dealers or swapping it for CDs and phone cards.

Parents' charity Overload Network International said the situation was

so bad, some school secretaries and dinner ladies were having to hand

out extra doses to children.

The survey also revealed that some teenage girls had started taking the

drug as a diet pill.

Janice Hill of the charity has urged the government to step up controls

of the drug to ensure it is not being abused.

Hyperactive treatment

Ritalin is prescribed to children with attention deficit hyperactivity

disorder (ADHD).

The symptoms of ADHD range from poor concentration and extreme

hyperactivity to interrupting and intruding on other people and not

being able to wait in queues.

Studies have suggested the condition may affect one in 20 children. Boys

are three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD than girls.

But Ritalin is also a mild stimulant - an amphetamine - that works on

the central nervous system to improve concentration.

As a result, it is sometimes used by drug dealers to mix with

amphetamine.

Nevertheless, studies have suggested the drug is an effective way of

treating ADHD.

However, its critics say it can cause serious side-effects in some

children, leaving them robotic, lethargic, depressed, or withdrawn.

As a result, many parents are refusing to allow their children to be

given the drug.

However, the BBC has learnt that they are being pressured into changing

their minds by schools.

The parents of teenager Ashley Aslett were told they would have to

remove their son from his school in Lincoln if he didn't take Ritalin.

"They said Ashley was a danger to the school and other children and

staff and if he wasn't to be medicated than he wouldn't be allowed in

school," his father Simon told the BBC.

Ashley hadn't even been diagnosed with ADHD.

The school has since lifted its threat to exclude Ashley. However,

Ashley decided against staying

Similar cases

Barry Turner, a law lecturer at the University of Lincoln, said the

Asletts were not alone.

He told the BBC he had heard of similar cases and even of parents being

told that their children would be put into care if they didn't take

Ritalin.

"We haven't yet reached the stage it is at in some of the states of the

United States, where parents have actually been prosecuted for child

abuse because they haven't treated their children but we are becoming

dangerously close to that state of affairs," he said.

The Department for Education said schools should not threaten to expel

hyperactive children who did not take Ritalin.

"The prescription of Ritalin for a child is a decision to be discussed

between parents and their family doctor or clinic," said a spokeswoman.

"It is not a matter on which schools should pass judgement."

Side: yes

The occurrence of peanut allergy has doubled in the last 10 to 20 years. Who wants to start a peanut allergy conspiracy debate?

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
2 points

You completely ignored everything but your foolhardy and childish decision to write what you most likely consider to be some kind of 'witty' response to what you consider as well to being a ludicrous statement.

You are so pigheadedly desirous of ignorance on such a topic as this that you will not even consider the fact that something most definitely is not 'kosher' when it comes to this topic, and that many authorities, teachers, etc., agree that ADHD most likely is a figment of greedy psychologists' imaginations - or, at the very least, most cases are.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

"You completely ignored everything but your foolhardy and childish decision to write what you most likely consider to be some kind of 'witty' response to what you consider as well to being a ludicrous statement."

You should go easy on the prepositions.

Side: No
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

I don't... But I found this to be extremely humorous nonetheless.............

Side: yes

Traitor !

Side: yes
1 point

i myself have adhd and no that there is no conspiresy so it is ubsurd that you should say that

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
1 point

How do you know that you have ADHD? Is it because a doctor funded by the drug companies told you so?

Side: yes
1 point

This whole debate reminds me of HIV denialism and Germ-theory denialism.

Incidentally, if each and every invasive government program were indicative of conspiracy then it would mean that everything from schools to the IRS are conspiracies.

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
1 point

There is no proof that ADHD is - or rather, that most cases of ADHD are - real.

People are diagnosed after checking off a list of 'symptoms'; symptoms which, incidentally, happen to be what most consider 'normal childhood behavior'. Children sit all day at school, then in front of the computer or television: they don't get any exercise/activity. Then, if they happen to become even slightly hyper, they are said to have ADHD - itself a seemingly inconsequential diagnosis - and given ritalin - an extraordinarily powerful mind-altering drug with many serious side effects.

Parents who withhold the drug from children are said to be abusive and are arrested and tried for child abuse. Schools expel or suspend children who don't take their drugs - the government even gives grants to schools for each child they diagnose! All-the-while, however, many experts wholly disagree with the existence of this 'brain disease'!

I asked this question on a site dealing with typology, and many thought that that which is considered to be 'ADHD' is actually a certain personality type - such as ENxP, I think. However, society has developed this 'mold' and anybody who does not fit into their idea of a 'perfectly behaving child' needs to be drugged with a drug in the same class as opium!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/interviews/breggin.html

And so the defense will be, "No, this is a wonder drug. This is helping millions of children." Sounds like a stalemate to me in the current sort of atmosphere. ...

There's actually a great deal of evidence for a conspiratorial relationship. According to international law, you cannot directly promote a highly addictive Schedule II drug to the public. Ritalin is in Schedule II along with amphetamine, methamphetamine, cocaine and morphine. And you're not allowed to put ads in the newspaper for that. You're not allowed, according to international conventions, to directly promote to the public. What Ciba-Geigy, now a division of Novartis, has done is to fund a parents' group, CHADD, and the group has then gone and promoted Ritalin to the public. So that's one potential aspect to the situation.

How is it different than another pharmaceutical company supporting the American Diabetes Foundation or the American Cancer Society with funding? How is it different that Ciba-Geigy is providing some funding to CHADD?

One of the big differences in what Ciba-Geigy is doing, say, compared to a drug company who might give money for a diabetes drug to the AMA, is that Ritalin is a Schedule II--a highly addictive drug. And there are special controls put upon it by the US government. CHADD, in fact, has lobbied the US government to try to get Ritalin taken out of Schedule II. They couldn't do anything more valuable for the drug company, and more dangerous to the public, than that. Fortunately, they failed, and they failed in part because of our disclosures . . . about CHADD having so much money from the drug companies. ...

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Still more empty rhetoric. Don't paraphrase arguments from previous debates, and conjecture isn't substance.

Side: No
1 point

Conspiracy as in cloaked characters in a smokey room?

No.

What it is though to a large extent I believe, is a laziness on the part of parents to discipline, leading instead to chemical answers to the question of how to get one's child to behave.

There is nothing at all unusual about a child who does not want to pay attention, and who is a bit hyper active.

I don't believe a perscription should be given to a child for behavioral symptoms alone - it needs to be accompanied by some hard evidence that child actually has something wrong with them.

Side: parenting problem
TERMINATOR(6778) Disputed
1 point

Thus, in essence, you agree that ADHD is either overdiagnosed or is it nonexistent?

You do not believe that it is a conspiracy, right? So I shall direct you to these two links:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/alert-over-adhd-guidelines/story-e6frg8y6-1111117233143

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3093087.stm

The first link states that the Australian government is giving money to schools for each child that they diagnose; the second link states that students are being thrown out of school for not taking their medication (usually ritalin) and that, in some states, parents who do not give their child/ren these extraordinarily powerful and dangerous drugs are being tried for child abuse!

The side effects of ritalin are extensive: hallucinations, tics, angina, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia - the list goes on. What are the symptoms of this so-called "brain disease" that this drug (in the same class as opium, amongst many others) is clearing up? hyperactivity, misbehavior, inability to focus.

Side: yes
1 point

My little brother and a very good friend of mine both have severe cases of ADHD. The above side effects you've listed are not as common as you say. Common side effects include tired ness, not wanting to eat, mood swings, etc. There are some drugs out there that do make people crazy and do not help people much, but you really have to do a lot of research. The meds that my little brother takes have greatly helped him in school and he can focus on something at a maximum of 15 min. (that is a great accomplishment for him.) The time tripled :)

Side: No