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yes. no.
Debate Score:120
Arguments:100
Total Votes:130
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Is there really seperation of church and state?

is there a true seperation of church and state? or are the two entities combined in certain areas?

yes.

Side Score: 60
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no.

Side Score: 60
4 points

Well there certainly should be and any church that is preaching politics needs to have it's tax exempt status taken away.

Side: Yes.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

Please do not take this the wrong way, but churches have the right to freedom of speech.

Side: no.
Hellno(17753) Disputed
2 points

You don't seem to understand how the law is supposed to work... churches get tax exempt status, that means they are not supposed to try to persuade their members to vote for one political party over the other... if they do they should loose their political status.

Side: yes.
2 points

Thank you First Amendment of the Constitutional Bill of Rights and to Mr. TJ (Thomas Jefferson) for giving it a name.

Sadly, it's not always enforced.

Side: Yes.
imrigone(761) Disputed
1 point

EDIT: Misinterpeted your post. Never mind what I said before....sorry...

Side: no.
riahlize(1573) Clarified
1 point

That's quite alright, because I don't even know what you said! All I saw when I got on was your edit, so you're in the clear. ;)

Side: yes.
1 point

Yes, the two entities are combined in some instances .

Side: Yes.
1 point

I think your question needs to be clarified.

Yes, there is a separation of church and state, but no it's not always enforced.

Side: yes.
1 point

Yes. Religion and politics should not combine. When religion and politics combine, civil rights are violated.

Side: yes.
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

“Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is.” ~ Gandhi

Side: no.
2 points

I am sorry, but comining religion with politics is just bad because civil rights will be violated. Besides, which is the lucky religion? Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Wicca, Zorastorianism, Kemetism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Sikkhism, Taoism, what? It is utterly illogical to attempt to combine religion and politics, and I don't give a flying fig what Gandhi said. I think for guess who, me!

Side: yes.
1 point

The thing is, even though church and state are not to combine, somehow, someway it happens all the time doesn't it? We have been to court, we have made Amendments, we have took the 10 commandments out of courthouses in Alabama, but it's always some crazy, unwilling person not wanting to do the right thing, hard headed!! For some reason, "I can't figure it out to save my life" why people insist on trying to push their ideas off on others. Im glad it's a seperation of church and state, not everyone practices the sameway, if they practice a religion at all. I wouldn't want my child to go to school and have someone preach to them, when they're there to learn an education, not go to church, it's a difference and it should be made to stay that way forever.May 8th, it's an amendment one vote coming up, I am gaginst it totally. It's to ban same-sex marriage, but that's not all. It also affects straight couples who aren't married but live together, it's more to it than they want to admit, to try and get enough votes by homoscardiacs. It will affect childrens insurance, domestic violence laws for women in straight unmarried relationships, how sad is that?Yet the only issue that they care to get out there is that this will not recognize gay marriages in this state, just a man and woman. Sound familiar? It should, many years ago blacks and whites were not allowed to get married, women were not allowed to vote, this sounds like a civil rights issue to me also. Our country split into two, because man thought it was okah to have a human for a slave. I like to think that our way of thinking has evolved, i know it has to a degree anyway. It's still those people out there that wont to push their "Bible thumping" ways off on pople, who might even be an Atheist. When they learn that everyone is different and nobody is the same, we might get along a little better in this country!

Side: yes.
1 point

I personally have no problem with the 10 Commandments as long as Church and State remain separate. I am Christian saying this.

Side: yes.
5 points

No, because people who want to shove their beliefs down other people's throats won't let there be.

I can't come up with something logical, sorry, I'm tired and stressed. lol

Side: No.
1 point

You did a good job in my humble opinion. I agree .

Side: no.
Apollo(1608) Clarified
1 point

You realize that the main culprit is the Christian Establishment...right?

Side: yes.
3 points

No, there is no solid separation of church and state .

Side: No.
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

There is a solid separation of Church and State, but it's interpretation and enforcement is where the lines are blurred and grey.

Side: yes.
2 points

no, there is no true separation of church and state. this can be seen within topics such as gay rights and marriage, which Christianity has quite a bit of power over.

Side: No.
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

If you want to argue that, you can also argue that there is no "true" freedom because of the limitations we have put on ourselves.

Side: yes.
1 point

No there is no seperation of state church. Most states still will not legalize gay marriage. This is because religion is told it is wrong

Side: no.
2 points

It's virtually impossible to have total separation of church and state while a very large majority of the populous is religious. The religious usually want to impose their rules on everyone else. Whether that is good or not is a different debate.

Side: No.
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

It's virtually impossible to have total separation of church and state while a very large majority of the populous is religious.

That's enforcing a generalization. The way you make it sound, is that if religious people exist that there is no total separation of church and state. People can be religious and believe in the Separation of Church and State idea.

Side: yes.
darkneo86(2) Disputed
1 point

While your statement can be valid - people can be religious and still believe in separation of church and state - history tells us that this cannot be. 50-60% of America is, in some way, affiliated with the Christian religion. Thus, we have had multiple instances of biblical beliefs crop into the justice system. Look at the various Islamic nations, where religion is forced upon people. The United States fought for their freedom from oppressive religious laws that were declared in England. Unfortunately, the same thing is slowly happening in the United States. The religious majority will always impose their views, because they believe they are doing the world a favor in doing so. That they are somehow 'saving' the rest of us.

We don't want to be 'saved', thank you.

Side: no.
1 point

There is not a lot of transparency between religious affiliation and electibility. At least in the United States, it seems every presidential election has had moments in which it became fixated upon the candidates' religions. Many politicians, particularly Conservatives, stress the role of Christianity in guiding their policies.

--Rick Perry or Rick Santorum for example.

Side: No.
1 point

Articulate a distinction between what a church is and what a state is and I'd be surprised if I couldn't quickly show there's essentially no difference.

Side: no.
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Church = Religion.

State = Governing laws and authorities.

There is a difference. If people want to attempt to mix the two, that is a statement to argue, not one to concede to.

Side: yes.
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

Church = Religion.

A church is to a religion as a state is to a country

State = Governing laws and authorities.

Both a state and a church have governing laws and authorities

There is a difference.

Then explain it

If people want to attempt to mix the two, that is a statement to argue, not one to concede to.

The state enforces the dominant religion as it always has and always will. Tell me why I'm mistaken.

Side: no.

Not really. The Constitution never mentions it. Just freedom to worship and the non-establishment of a Religion.

Side: no.