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By the way, to address you lies about me: "The debate is valid, I have offered validations of the fact that God loves you and I invite you to explain why you believe God does not love you. If this is too much of a challenge to be considered acceptable for this site, I would have to say it's a small-minded site, with all due respect."
That is a quote from you, that I quoted to you on your debate.
I would appreciate it if you would stop lying about me now. You can look at the debate and see for yourself that I quoted you.
You not only quoted me, you took three words out of my quote implying that those three words were the total of the intent of my statement, and you used that accusation as a slander against my character and every time I see this stuff, I think it would be better for you to be in jail than to have me knock your teeth out.
Yet again you respond to comments half a year old. How bored are you, exactly?
I quoted you in its entirety and you have demonstrated time and time and time again that this "slander" you claim was a perfectly accurate indication of your behavior.
So go ahead. Take umbrage. Take offense. Act outraged, whilst simultaneously behaving in the most offensive, immature way of anyone on this website.
But I did quote you in full, and I have been proven right.
Yet again you respond to comments half a year old. How bored are you, exactly?
I quoted you in its entirety and you have demonstrated time and time and time again that this "slander" you claim was a perfectly accurate indication of your behavior.
So go ahead. Take umbrage. Take offense. Act outraged, whilst simultaneously behaving in the most offensive, immature way of anyone on this website.
But I did quote you in full, and I have been proven right.
First, this isn't a debate, this is proselytizing.
So go ahead. Take umbrage. Take offense. Act outraged, whilst simultaneously behaving in the most offensive, immature way of anyone on this website............
Are you truly this incapable of responding to the content that people post?
This is just the same old anti-God hatred, accusing God of not being good by people who are trying to convince themselves they cannot possibly be left by God to burn in Hell forever. It's nonsense.
By the way, to address you lies about me:
First, this isn't a debate, this is proselytizing.
So go ahead. Take umbrage. Take offense. Act outraged, whilst simultaneously behaving in the most offensive, immature way of anyone on this website............
Are you truly this incapable of responding to the content that people post?
At least you can't ban everyone here :P
I would appreciate it if you would stop lying about me now. You can look at the debate and see for yourself that I quoted you.
Out of curiosity, how would an entity be all about love if they send people to be tortured for all of eternity if said individual does not praise them?
If he was all about love, why would people need to be "saved"?
Christians tell me that God is all loving. I disagree. I have been saying this for a long time. You attacked me for properly understanding God. What makes you so obtuse?
This is just the same old anti-God hatred, accusing God of not being good by people who are trying to convince themselves they cannot possibly be left by God to burn in Hell forever. It's nonsense.
You have pretty much summed up what God is NOT in favour of: God was Love. God is Love. God will be Love...forever. He is gentle and kind. He does not boast. He wants to be your friend and everyone's friend. I am not writing this to prove you wrong, but because I want you to be saved.
Out of curiosity, how would an entity be all about love if they send people to be tortured for all of eternity if said individual does not praise them?
If he was all about love, why would people need to be "saved"?
Out of curiosity, how would an entity be all about love if they send people to be tortured for all of eternity if said individual does not praise them?
If he was all about love, why would people need to be "saved"?
Typical anti-theistic rhetoric born of a deep seated ignorance of the nature of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the nature of forgiveness, atonement, and so on. Very cynical view of Christianity. There is one part of the video which is in fact true based on modernist misuse of the Christianity. The athletes, movie stars etc. who have tons of money, fame, prestige etc.. They should in fact, be giving virtually everything to the poor, save for whatever is necessary for a humble life for themselves and their family. I think the overall Christian message goes over their heads, as much as it does the anti-theists.
Out of curiosity, how would an entity be all about love if they send people to be tortured for all of eternity if said individual does not praise them?
If he was all about love, why would people need to be "saved
This is just the same old anti-God hatred, accusing God of not being good by people who are trying to convince themselves they cannot possibly be left by God to burn in Hell forever. It's nonsense.
By the way, to address you lies about me:
First, this isn't a debate, this is proselytizing.
So go ahead. Take umbrage. Take offense. Act outraged, whilst simultaneously behaving in the most offensive, immature way of anyone on this website............
Are you truly this incapable of responding to the content that people post?
At least you can't ban everyone here :P
I would appreciate it if you would stop lying about me now. You can look at the debate and see for yourself that I quoted you.
If God is kind and gentle why does he call for the death of many people in the Old Testament? Also why is he going to send the majority of the people in the world to hell for not believing in Christianity?
If God is truly in favor of love, why does he he force those who don't do exactly what he says to a lifetime of eternal torture? They aren't even give a chance to learn from their mistakes.
How can a God who is 'love' and who is 'gentle and kind' force anyone to go to a place of ETERNAL TORTURE.
"I love everyone who does exactly what I say and everyone else can suffer forever." Yep, that sounds like the most forgiving being in the universe to me…
Look, if God existed and was truly as loving as you say, He wouldn't need you to come and change people's mind in order for them to be saved. He would simply make everyone be a good person. Oh, I know what you're going to say, "free will" and all that. But all he's doing instead of changing our minds is having his followers try and change our minds. How is that different?
What you did not do is address any of the points in the video. You simply restated your own opinion. Care to explain why this video is invalid? Or are you so convinced that you are right that no proof, logic or reasoning could ever change any of your thoughts? Because if no proof, logic or reasoning could ever change your thoughts, then you are not mentally well.
God loves everyone, even the people who's names do not appear in the Book of Life (see Revelation). But God is so holy, that sin simply cannot exist next to God. Also, people have to make their minds up for themselves, otherwise it is not even love. As for the last part of your comment, I CAN address some of the points in the video. God has actually warned his followers of an evil ruler who will put a chip everyone's head. he says that this ruler is BAD, and even the ANTICHRIST. HE himSELF does not want to do that. However, now I have read the last sentence, it is so abusive that I do not really wish to chat about your comment much more. The truth is, some people's minds cannot be changed, so I will not waste any more time on someone I cannot even see.
God loves everyone, even the people who's names do not appear in the Book of Life (see Revelation)
How can you expect people to believe that God loves those who he sends to hell simply for not believing in him?
Also, people have to make their minds up for themselves, otherwise it is not even love.
If god is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end (as the bible says), then God created everything knowing exactly what would happen and with the ability to change it. That means when he created humanity, he already knew who would "choose" to believe him and who would "choose" not to. Considering that, free will and the ability to "make ther inds up for themselves" seems to be an illusion.
God has actually warned his followers of an evil ruler who will put a chip everyone's head. he says that this ruler is BAD, and even the ANTICHRIST
The term anti-christ is used in a variety of different contexts throughout the bible. By some of the contexts, I am an anti-Christ simply by not believing in the divinity of Jesus (2 John 1:7).
The truth is, some people's minds cannot be changed, so I will not waste any more time on someone I cannot even see.
That is definitely true, but don't you think that makes the requirements for getting into heaven far more questionable?
Stop right there. He loves everyone? How could a being who loves everyone send anyone to Hell? Or even allow a place like Hell to exist? Or allow anything sad to ever happen in existence? How can someone who loves everyone create people with imperfections? Or allow sin to exist when sin is so hurtful?
If God loves everyone, that means he loves all non-Christians, which means whenever you say anything bad to someone who disagrees with you, you are disagreeing with God.
If God loves everyone, he loves terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc.. And despite this love, he sends these people to eternal torture.
But God is so holy, that sin simply cannot exist next to God.
Sin is a byproduct of free will (if you disagree with that, say so and I'll elaborate.)
As such, if there is no sin in heaven, there is no free will in heaven. In other words, everyone in heaven is a slave to God. As you say, "people have to make their minds up for themselves, otherwise it is not love." So, people in heaven don't actually love God.
As for the last part of your comment, I CAN address some of the points in the video. God has actually warned his followers of an evil ruler who will put a chip everyone's head. he says that this ruler is BAD, and even the ANTICHRIST. HE himSELF does not want to do that.
But… he does. The chip is a metaphor for the fact that God judges you for your thoughts. In the Bible, adultery is defined as even thinking about committing adultery. According to Christianity, even thinking about being unfaithful is equal to acting on these feelings. God monitors your thoughts, and judges you for that. That is the point that the video is trying to make.
However, now I have read the last sentence, it is so abusive that I do not really wish to chat about your comment much more.
I made the claim that "if no proof, logic or reasoning could ever change your thoughts, then you are not mentally well." I stand by that, and I don't think it's abusive. Can you explain how so? Seriously, if I am truly being hurtful I would like to know so I can stop.
But if you have unconditional trust of something, even when you have no reason to, that is not the sign of a person who is fully functioning. Once you devote yourself to something regardless of any logic or reasoning, you have sacrificed your own free will, the ability to think.
Why are you a Christian? Is it because of what you actually believe? Or is it because of something that your parents told you or your schools told you or some book told you? Do you have any reasons of your own to believe in the Christian God? If so, why would you never change your mind about these beliefs?
Again, I do not want to be abusive. But this is a debate, and the arguments you are making (at least from my point of view) show this series argumentative flaw; you seem to refuse to even reconsider anything regardless of any evidence presented to you. Please, prove me wrong. But right now I stand by my previous statement.
The truth is, some people's minds cannot be changed
I did not dispute that fact. I merely pointed out that that is not the sign of a fully functioning person.
If someone's mind cannot change even if they are presented with every reason to change and no reason to remain on their previous idea, then they are not thinking.
so I will not waste any more time on someone I cannot even see.
You won't waste mind on someone you cannot even see? You mean… God?
God has actually warned his followers of an evil ruler who will put a chip everyone's head.
That's is your only objection? An analogy to how God can see every thought you have.
HE himSELF does not want to do that.
That is because He already has access to your every thought. God is describing Himself when talking about an evil ruler and saying the person will be evil because he has God's powers. Interesting.
Awwwwww, boo hooo, it's not fair that you are facing suffering in death, poor thing. Now you have proof that God loves you. If God really loved you, why do you have to feel pain?. It's soooooo sad that you feel unloved by God. Boo hoo. It seems so unfair, you don't deserve to die, do you, you're as good or better than God, right?
No, I am not depressed by the idea I have to die. That doesn't mean I think anyone deserves to die. Especially not due to wrongdoing or as a form of punishment.
I think God is incredibly unjust, especially in regards to the afterlife. How could infinite punishment or infinite reward ever be just for a finite action?
When you steal, that is history and it is forever what you did, it is not a "finite action". Your nature is forever prone to be a thief. You forever owe for what you did wrong, no matter how much you pay. No matter how much you pay, you cannot undo what you did. You have lost your right to stand in God's presence and He has no place for you but Hell if you will not believe He took on Himself the form of a man to die in your place so your debt was paid in full by Him and you can be forgiven in His resurrection. If you don't care what He did for you to save you from Hell, then you will get what you deserve.
There is no "afterlife". You have dying forever after your dying in time is over, or you have eternal life now. If you don't have eternal life now, you are dying now, will die, and will be dying forever in the Lake of Fire and never bother the living again as you are now....it's a bother to try to tell you the truth when you are so hardheaded, but it is obedience to God for me to do so while I think it is probably more for somebody else who is reading silently and thinking; seeking to know the truth. You are not seeking and do not want the truth, as far as I can tell....so really this response is not for you....but you will still be held accountable for hearing God's truth and rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ.
Try asking questions like these if you find yourself unable to get out of the fire of Hell. Accusing God of not being good won't make your guilt go away, it won't get you out of the prison of Hell fire.
Typical anti-theistic rhetoric born of a deep seated ignorance of the nature of God, the deity of Jesus Christ, the nature of forgiveness, atonement, and so on. Very cynical view of Christianity. There is one part of the video which is in fact true based on modernist misuse of the Christianity. The athletes, movie stars etc. who have tons of money, fame, prestige etc.. They should in fact, be giving virtually everything to the poor, save for whatever is necessary for a humble life for themselves and their family. I think the overall Christian message goes over their heads, as much as it does the anti-theists.
Primarily, it describes the God/Man relationship prior to the incarnation. It doesn't account for Jesus Christ, as far as I can tell. I suppose it could be seen as a semi-valid attack on orthodox Judaism, but how it's supposed to be pointed at Christianity, (save for the athlete and movie star slam), I can't find. I'll watch again. Christ changes everything the video purports about God. Prior to Jesus, man had not experienced God as man to see how God's nature in humanity would play out. Christians are those who follow Christ. We have a different perspective revealed to us about God than the one displayed here. How was it wrong? In every aspect. Every sarchastic statement made. As I said in my original comment, it displays a deep misunderstanding of Christianity. How do I pin point a particular thing? The axioms are off. Axioms are the irreducible truths. They're being looked at from a different world view than legitimate Christians have. If this doesn't answer you, I apologize. It's my best shot without writing a book.
Do you get an eternity of torture if you do not vote for God? Yep. Did Jesus say that thinking about banging a chick is the same as banging a chick? Yep, so there is the thought control part.
How does God stop robbers? Oh right, he doesn't. Can the robber be forgiven and go to heaven? Oh right, he can. Half the video is about the part you agree with.
Can atheists go to heaven?
If you think about sinning have you sinned?
Do murderers automatically go to hell?
Can God intervene to stop sinners?
Sounds like Christianity.
Why don't you pick just one aspect of the government he described and explain how it doesn't fit Christianity. Just one aspect.
Awwwwww, boo hooo, it's not fair that you are facing suffering in death, poor thing. Now you have proof that God loves you. If God really loved you, why do you have to feel pain?. It's soooooo sad that you feel unloved by God. Boo hoo. It seems so unfair, you don't deserve to die, do you, you're as good or better than God, right?
Trying to please him is what gave me the headache. Because I don't know what he wants me to do. He tells me plenty of what not to do. But none of what he wants me to.
There's a lot of ranting coming from you but not anything that will help me understand what god wants. How can you possibly know what he wants, but not me? What makes you so special that he speaks directly to you? What kind of disorders are causing your psychosis?
I can't wrap my mind around the concept of either heaven or hell. There have been billions of people who have/will die without ever hearing Gods word. They have to burn in hell because a god they never knew about?
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Saintnow(424) Disputed
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Sure you can wrap your mind around the concept of Hell. It's very simple. In Hell, you would fry like an eternal sausage, remembering all the stupid thing you said such as "I can't wrap my mind around the concept of Hell".
Heaven is good beyond description. You cannot wrap your mind around the concept of Heaven because the love of God is unfathomable.
I do not need to disprove a claim which you have in no way proven to be true, although I have repeatedly presented evidence and rationale to that end which you have consistently ignored. I intend to desist from this exchange; it no longer interests me.
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Aspire(62)
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You point the finger, three point back at you.
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GenericName(3462)
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You are utterly incapable of holding a legitimate conversation.