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Yep You're just crazy ;)
Debate Score:73
Arguments:48
Total Votes:76
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Is this not AMAZING?

It's amazing to me how individuals can mature and learn at a different rate even though they're the same age. 

 

For example, look at Apollo, http://www.createdebate.com/user/viewprofile/Apollo,

and then look at Srom, http://www.createdebate.com/user/viewprofile/srom1883.

 

Both are fifteen years old, but how they debate and such is so different. And you can tell the difference in maturity and level of intelligence. Though I'm not saying who, in my opinion, is more so than the other.

 

Give me some more examples. :) Or tell me you disaree that it's not amazing. Or whatever ^_^ People are so interesting nonetheless. 

Yep

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You're just crazy ;)

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5 points

Yep, Srom is fascinating.

How a human can be so completely devoid of original thought or capacity for simple understanding at age 15, yet seemingly not have any real retardation or brain damage, is mind boggling.

Hopefully, his parents will be able to care for him well into his 40's or I'm afraid he's in for a very tough time of it.

Side: Yep

Srom is in a league of his own. I've never seen any one reject proper arguments and evidence like him, and rebutting with dubious quotes from the Bible and plagiarising books and websites.

Side: Yep
TheThinker(1712) Disputed
1 point

I don't care where a person get his/her arguements unless it is an ACTUALLY ARGUEMENT. If the words he stole is a part of his arguement, then i find it acceptable.

There is no complete difference between quoting and rephrasing what someone's says. Some parts of me see it as the same thing.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
5 points

SaurBaby, i hate debates like this. You make a debate and not think how your debate or words can affect other people emotions.

If this debate was directed toward to me, i would feel hurt. And how can you say to not take it seriously when you took your time to make a debate? That is contradicting.

I respect you Saurbaby as a user but i found this debate to be rude and pathetic. It is rude for Srom. And if find this debate to be pathetic because it looks like you just want to "bag" on Srom for his thoughts. But i don't think that was your reason because you have proven to be a nice person.

I understand your amazement. I too find it amazing of the difference in thought between the young boys. One person believes in the bible and the other one doesn't believe the bible. You can too argue that Srom doesn't have rational thought. But there is no need to make this type of debate. Saurbaby, you are not stupid. You know that this would hurt Srom feelings. I say treat others how you want to be treated. So do you want me to make a debate about you?

And Saurbaby, you are implying that one of the "two people" are unintelligent. Stop. This is pointless. You are making someone think of leaving this site. It is just pathetic.

Reventon and Apollo. I respect you guys but it seems like you are JUST OUT THERE to get Srom. Reventon RUDELY disputed Srom for answering a two option debate with a third option. Yeah it doesn't make sense but there is a way to approach someone. But if you are going to rudely dispute him, then rudely dispute Saurbaby because she did the same exact thing.

And i see some of Apollo comments just making fun of Srom intellegence instead of debating. That is just spam. Go ahead but don't post on a site where Srom can read it. It hurts. In the description of the debate, "Is The Bible Factual Evidence," Apollo rudely made fun of Srom IQ. That is totally unneccsary. Grow up.

These kids are both 15 year old but Srom has more respect towards other people.

This is one of Apollo comments:

"Facts CANNOT contradict each other. Forget the bible contradicting itself, the bible contradicts 2 thousand years of scientific discovery. Creationism va Evolution. Noah's ark vs sane humans and science. Moses and the red sea vs sane humans and science. Moses existence. Birth of Jesus. The plagues. How could any of these have occured when facts and science make their occurrence impossible.

The earth cannot be both 6,000 and 4.54 billion years old? How can humans have both evolved over millions of years from apes and have also been spontaneously created out of thin air? Etc."

Now the problem i have with his comment is that he didn't prove that science conquers relgion. He just stated that it did. There is no "why" to his arguement. That is not debating.

Edit. Im not in any trying to be rude to Apollo or Reventon. I don't know much about Reventon but Apollo is a smart kid. God bless the three of them. :)

Side: Yep
2 points

I have to point out the plethora of fallacies you have committed here.

If this debate was directed toward to me, i would feel hurt.

First, in SaurBaby's defence, I have to say that I firmly believe she did not create this debate with the intention of demeaning srom. I might be wrong, but based on what she has written in the debate description, I don't think that she has said anything demeaning about srom at all. What others, including myself, say about srom or Apollo is a completely different matter that SaurBaby has absolutely no control over.

Second, so what if it is true that feelings are hurt? That is simply a false appeal to emotion. It doesn't mean that if srom's feelings are hurt, therefore it is not true that Apollo is simply a more intelligent and eloquent individual than srom!

I say treat others how you want to be treated. So do you want me to make a debate about you?

Didn't you just say treat others how you want to be treated? And in the same breath you threatened to make a debate about SaurBaby? How much more hypocritical can you get?

But if you are going to rudely dispute him, then rudely dispute Saurbaby because she did the same exact thing.

[To clarify, when TheThinker said, "you", he means me, ReventonRage.]

That is simply a dishonest statement. If I had seen what Saurbaby has written, I would have disputed her but probably not as harshly as I disputed srom. That is because if I had seen what Saurbaby wrote, I would know that, given her background as an eloquent debater, that was simply a (relatively more) forgivable slip. Srom, on the other hand, has been consistently writing bad, slipshod arguments that don't even count as "arguments" at all. I would be very unlikely to be forgiving towards srom than Saurbaby. Hope this clarifies my position.

These kids are both 15 year old but Srom has more respect towards other people.

I seriously don't think you can justify such a position. Believe me when I say that Apollo and I disagree on a multitude of topics and subtopics (if you don't believe me, ask Apollo), but him and I maintain a very cordial friendship because I have a lot of respect for him as a person and as a debater, purely because he is astute, intellectual and very eloquent. Despite our many disagreements (which, I dare say, are more than our agreements), we still have a lot of respect for each other.

However, while I genuinely respect srom as a person (regardless of whether he is a Christian or a non-believer), I cannot respect him as a debater because that would be simply hypocritical of me.

This is one of Apollo comments:

"Facts CANNOT contradict each other. Forget the bible contradicting itself, the bible contradicts 2 thousand years of scientific discovery. Creationism va Evolution. Noah's ark vs sane humans and science. Moses and the red sea vs sane humans and science. Moses existence. Birth of Jesus. The plagues. How could any of these have occured when facts and science make their occurrence impossible.

The earth cannot be both 6,000 and 4.54 billion years old? How can humans have both evolved over millions of years from apes and have also been spontaneously created out of thin air? Etc."

Now the problem i have with his comment is that he didn't prove that science conquers relgion. He just stated that it did. There is no "why" to his arguement. That is not debating.

Now you're just attacking a straw man. Apollo did not say that science conquers religion. He did not make such a comment in this statement that you have quoted. He merely stated that, "Facts cannot contradict each other." So, when he goes on to list the contradictions between the facts presented by scientists and Christian fundamentalists, he is well justified to do so. What you're doing is simply attacking a straw man argument. And, with all due respect, that is simply disingenuous as a debater.

Side: Yep
TheThinker(1712) Disputed
1 point

It doesn't mean that if srom's feelings are hurt, therefore it is not true that Apollo is simply a more intelligent and eloquent individual than srom!

I never stated that. I infact thinks he is a smart person.

Didn't you just say treat others how you want to be treated? And in the same breath you threatened to make a debate about SaurBaby? How much more hypocritical can you get?

It was a question and not a threat. I wanted to see how Suarbaby would react to that question to see if she would be against it. But it wasn't a threat because i didn't intended it to be one. I personally would never want to threat her or anybody.

That is simply a dishonest statement. If I had seen what Saurbaby has written, I would have disputed her but probably not as harshly as I disputed srom.

Ok, i apologize. I jumped the gun while not considering the fact that you may have NOT see her comment.

Apollo did not say that science conquers religion.

I said that he did because he stated...."the bible contradicts 2 thousands years of scienctific discovery." Maybe the word "conquer" was badly chosen on my part but he implied that science proves that relgion fails.

He also stated that "How could any of these have occured when facts and science makes their occurence impossible." That tells me that he implies that religion fails because science disproves religion. That is why i chose the word "conquer."

I said i didn't like his argument because he never explained how science disproved Noah's ark or the Red Sea. I do have to agree with his common sense but i don't find Noah's Ark and the splitting of the Red Sea possible.

So i was wrong. My real problem with his comment is on the question on "How" than "why."

And i can compare that with Srom who gives words from the bible as evidence but don't really prove how the bible is evident.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
garry77777(1794) Disputed
1 point

"I might be wrong, but based on what she has written in the debate description, I don't think that she has said anything demeaning about srom at all."

"And you can tell the difference in maturity and level of intelligence"

To call attention to a persons level of maturity and intelligence relative to another is demeaning, especially when you encourage others to do likewise.

"Second, so what if it is true that feelings are hurt?"

When you're only 15 I think a certain amount of leeway should be afforded to a person.

"And in the same breath you threatened to make a debate about SaurBaby? How much more hypocritical can you get?"

No, it would be hypocritical if he actually made the debate, threatening to make the debate is merely an attempt to get you to see things from Srom's perspective.

"purely because he is astute, intellectual and very eloquent."

Are these the only qualities and attributes by which you measure the inherent value of a person?

Side: You're just crazy ;)
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
2 points

First of all, it's the internet. And he set it up himself to be "attacked" by people. I'm not insulting him honestly, I simply think he lacks any skill of debating or individual thought. But I know he has some intelligence, everyone does, but he's failed to show it and I don't think this site is the proper place for him.

I honestly wouldn't care if someone made a debate about me. I won attention whore, I'd love it ;)

This debate is not rude. We all know Srom can't debate, and this is a debate site. Therefore, if he wants to be praised then he should learn, otherwise he will be talked about poorly to a degree.

No one "attacks" him. We debate with him, get tired of his poor debating and weak evidence and therefore get annoyed.

I know there was more I wanted to say... But I'm really sleepy and don't remember lol

Side: You're just crazy ;)
TheThinker(1712) Disputed
2 points

I got to stop being sensitive and tell the truth when it needs to be presented. This is a debating site and not an emotional site. I keep forgetting that Saurbaby08. My apologies.

I'm not insulting him honestly...

Did you mean that you are not TRYING to insult him? Im assuming that you meant this. The reason why i ask this question is because you did insult him.

Proof:

Srom1883 stated: ":( You guys should stop making fun of me seriously. I am getting my feeling hurt and I am getting really close to leave this site."

I apppreciate that you are not TRYING to insult Srom1883. I get this feeling that you are a nice person. :)

I agree with you and the rest of the cast who believe he is a poor debator. Im too a poor debator at times. I think he is a poor debator because my common sense is against the possibility of Noah's Ark and the splitting of the Red Seas. However, that is not a good arguement to say that he is a poor debator. I agreed that science disproves Noah's Ark and the splitting of the Red Sea without knowing how science refutes those parts of the bible. Therefore, Apollo is educating in that area. :D

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Proof: Phoebe Prince. Here is a link if you don't know about her or if you care. And if you don't care, it is fine. :)

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/phoebe_prince_15_commits_suici.php

You think of yourself to not be a bully. You implied that and i believe you. However, i wanted to say this because the internet isn't just "the internet." Im guessing you stated that because you are a strong minded person. And i admire that but not many people have strong minds.

God bless. Peace.

Side: Yep

These guys at my school are so stupid! They are asked not to do something, but keep doing it until my whole class is punished! And they seem so surprised and disappointed when we are punished, like they didn't expected it!

Side: Yep
2 points

How is this relevant to debating, may I ask?

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

:( You guys should stop making fun of me seriously. I am getting my feeling hurt and I am getting really close to leave this site.

Side: Yep
Apollo(1606) Disputed
2 points

srom,

I want you to go back through all of your past comments and look at what comments people down-voted. How many of them were your comments on Christianity? What people are saying is that you repeat the same thing over and over and when they push you further, you take offense. How many of your non-religious comments have been down-voted (not many)?

Ask everyone (Reventon, saur, the pyg, supreme pizza) WHY they don't like you. Is it because you are a Christian or is it because it is annoying to debate with you? I really don't think it's because you are a Christian.

ok? :) Happy new year...

Side: You're just crazy ;)
2 points

I'm not making fun of you lol I'm honestly amazed at how different people can be though the same age.

And Srom, it's the internet. Don't take ANYTHING you read off the internet seriously. And have you realized that maybe it's you that's the problem? I mean not the problem, but causing it. You may want to refine your debating techniques if you want respect on this site.

Side: Yep

I am getting really close to leave this site.

But then who will brighten up my day with unintentional humor riddled within their so called 'arguments'?

Side: Yep
TheThinker(1712) Disputed
1 point

Dude. Really? I downvoted you because that is totally unncessary. With respect to you and everybody, stop.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

As Apollo mentioned, I don't rebut you intentionally because you're a Christian. I do so because I think that your "arguments" are so ridiculous that it is inconceivable how you can even think of what you wrote as "arguments" or "evidence". Why don't you actually learn from what the others have commented on your "arguments" and improve on your writing skills? I am very sure that it will help you with your school work when you are writing argumentative essays too.

I have many friends who are Christians since I was a Christian until last year when I turned atheist. Unlike you, they are intelligent and well-equipped to deal with the arguments of atheists. They are also well-read in theology and philosophy which makes the debates between us very lively and engaging. More often than not, I can tell you that my Christian friends and I enjoy debating against each other. In short, you should really try learning how to debate properly. Trust me, you'll view this website from a radically different perspective and it'll be a lot more fun debating here.

Side: Yep

Srom, i don't want you to leave. But i understand the emotion of pain. I think you just have to deal with it and grow stronger because this is a website about debating. And debates can either turn ugly or not.

I personally think that you should read the comments that oppose you and say: "Does it really oppose me?"

I understand your faith in the bible. The bible made me believe in Noah's ark in thinking that maybe the diet of the animals were different than in the past. Faith in the Lord that can do anything is hard to ignore because...of your strong faith. Srom, can you please answer this...according to your common sense, do you think it is possible to split the Red Sea into two?

However, faith in God can make you believe anything is possible. If you honestly believe that the bible is evidence, then keep holding on your faith. But don't forget that science has disprove the capabiliity of that division in our reality and time. Maybe science was different back then? Interesting theory but i don't know.

I don't want you to say that maybe the bible is wrong? But i want you to accept that in your present reality, science has disprove that.

You know it is weird. I know nothing about how science can disprove religion but im saying that it does because according to my common sense, it doesn't seem possible. But maybe the truth may not always connect with our common sense?

Only God knows. If and only if he exists.

I just want to know.

Side: Yep
2 points

Well I think the Red Sea can split in two if you believe it can happen and also God allows you to split the Red Sea in half.

Side: Yep
3 points

Please delete this debate. I don't think srom appreciates it, nor do I. With all due respect, these kinds of debates where you compare two people (especially ones you do not know) is almost always hurtful.

Thank You.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
2 points

I find this debate to be distasteful, this is a debating site, not the school yard, I know it's not meant to be taken seriously, but it can be still be quite offensive to the person on the receiving end.

Now, normally i wouldn't give a fuck about hurt feelings, but Srom is 15 yrs old, please keep that in mind.When you make statements like;"And you can tell the difference in maturity and level of intelligence,"and then encourage everyone to join in, you know you're be intentionally insulting, which would normally be fine one on one, but creating a debate about it kind of adds a sinister dimension, especially when the target is a 15 year old (supposedly).

Again, I feel I should emphasise, the only reason I think this is a little over the top is the fact that Srom is only 15 years old, give the guy a break. Also, creating debates like this doesn't exactly give you a licence to preach about maturity. That's meant to be constructive criticism so please don't be offended.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

I'm..... confused. + I don't think the question makes sense - either 'yes' this 'is not amazing' or 'you're crazy'. There are no positive outlets. But Apollo is cool nonetheless and so is the other guy.

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

It does make sense but I guess it wouldn't make sense if you read it a certain way. But anyway I'm not talking about them specifically, I'm talking about how different individuals can be. It's amazing how people of the same age can be at such different levels in their life.

This was sort of a joke anyway... So not important ^_^

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

Ah, I see well, ahem, excuse me for speaking stupidly :p but yes I agree it can be crazy how some people are at such different levels.

Side: You're just crazy ;)

We don't really know that both are 15 or not, unless there is concrete prove of them revealing their identities. Even if there are 15, what is the big deal? If srom wants to be a devoted Christian, why chastise and ridicule him?

Side: You're just crazy ;)
1 point

I'm 16 and I know plenty of people my age that most people here would consider to be dumber than Srom. This just shows everyone's general ignorance regarding the intelligence of teenagers.

Shows what public education has done to America ;)

Side: You're just crazy ;)

im sorry but this debate is so mean! you should not judge a person 's maturity based on words he writes! and also he sounds dedicated to his religion! he wants to defend it! and also no one has a perfect debate! this site helps us improve our debates by looking and knowing other people's views to different topics. not to judge them or make fun of them! that was mean and im sure that this srom guy is not that bad! im also sure that appolo guy is not that bad too. but im sure srom is offended by what you said! you attacked him with your words, and words are mighty indeed! by that i mean words can hurt!

Side: You're just crazy ;)
3 points

you know, what you said kinda makes sense allot! and i found this debate mean as well..i dont think that this debate makes sense. sorry but thats what i think. and i find srom mature..i know him and i know that he is capable of putting amazing debates! that it self is amazing! :D

Side: You're just crazy ;)

thank you! glad that someone agrees as well as many others! :D

Side: You're just crazy ;)