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Is this the best answer to Christian idiots?

If this isn't the best answer to a Christian idiot that you have ever heard, please post what you think is. Finishes at 2:15.


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2 points

Stephen Fry should try and annihilate Mohammed. Sealing the outcome of his fate with The Religion of Islam is inevitable. You think Stephen has a big enough set to youtube that?

Side: Yes

yeah I think those are excellent points. Im saving this video.

Side: Yes

Very good points. Even if God does exist, he I hardly respectable. He has caused all the 'natural-evil' in the world. WHY? Why would such a loving God who cares about us wish to cause so many people suffering. You cannot deny that if God exists, he is hardly a decent being. It seems to me, all he wants is people to worship him and be in awe of him. He threatens to send people to Hell to be burned forever if they do not worship him. How selfish is that?

Side: Yes
1 point

This is stupid. You can't make God stop being God by talking stupid against Him. All you can do is make a fool out of yourself

Side: No
Atrag(5551) Clarified
1 point

So your argument against it is that it is stupid? He isnt trying to stop God being God so I assume that was just rhetoric.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Disputed
1 point

Yes, it's all stupid. There's nothing to argue about. It's all just plain stupid.

Side: Yes
Sitar(3682) Clarified
1 point

Don't let him get to you. You are too awesome for that.....................................

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

They don't bother me, I feel sorry for anybody who rejects the Savior.

Side: Yes
1 point

The video is the same stupid stuff atheists say over and over and over like it's unanswerable....it's all just lame brained stupid stuff, trying to accuse God of not being good, trying to blame God for evil, trying to fool themselves into thinking God cannot rule against their sins.

Side: No
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

The reason people make up stuff like this is because they walk according to their own lusts and don't want to be told by God what they should or should not do, even though what God says to do or not to do is always best, always for the good of those who have sure hope in His mercy.

Side: Yes
1 point

This is so stupid. How in the world anybody can think this kind of stuff is intelligent is a mystery to me. You nor anybody else is going to stand before God and tell God He is wrong. This stuff is a joke, a tragic comedy of a fool being a clown thinking he has the right to stand before God and accuse God of not being good.

Side: No
Atrag(5551) Disputed
2 points

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Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

And ill mention as an example to my post regarding good men who stood because of God and His word, men and women of salt and light who was God pouring mercy into a dark world.

It was because He made men in His image that many ills were pushed back by His presence through them!

So imagine if He just let us go as man's evil consumes.

Thats actually what is said in the book you assail.

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Side: No
Atrag(5551) Disputed
1 point

Tell me, what in the world is the work of the devil and what is the work of God? We cannot differeniate the two because God does not fit with what we understand to be "good". Insects that eat the eye balls in children? Devil or God?

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Religion is the rudder that steers each persons vessel. It directs the purpose within us. It is our way of life that shapes our perception, and by what we use to interpret, evaluate, and act on everthing that is beyond our natural instincts.

And if one has little beyond his natural instincts, well then to him, that low basic standard is their religion. Then their natural instincts become their rudder which steers their thoughts, behaviors, and actions. Their religion is a standard of an unreasoning animal that cares only for his natural instincts. No greater than that of a wild dog.

Each of us has a religion, individual beliefs that determine what we stand for, or object to.

Preference is not a religion, liking or not liking broccoli is not a religion.

Preference are not beliefs. Often beliefs go against preferences.

Each persons world view, and each ones standards regarding what is right and what is wrong. It measures praise, guilt, or shame. It is the internal guidance of accountability and self introspection. Our standard used to interpret all things around us.

Its the guiding factor within us that defines what is good, bad, or indifferent.

Its the meter to measure character, principle, or integrity.

This is each persons religion by which one holds to and by which one responds to things around them.

Whether based on an organized religion or not!

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Side: No
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

I told you more than enough how you can be saved from Hell and why you need to be saved from Hell. You don't want to believe it, fine.

Side: Yes
1 point

I don't like grouping all Christians as idiots. They have a right to believe. However, I agree with everything he and the narrator said. The "idiots" are the ones who call everyone else idiots for not believing what THEY believe!

I believe that NATURE is the only form of "divine revelation".

Side: No
dadman(1701) Disputed
1 point

I believe that NATURE is the only form of "divine revelation". ....

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork ... Pslam 19:1 ...

Um, you stopped too short .. waaay too short

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1389) Clarified
1 point

Nature is indeed divine revelation.

Psalm 19

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof....................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Romans 1:18-25.18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

And God reveals Himself in His word if you believe it or not......................................................................................................................................................................

Psalm 19: 7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Side: Yes
AlofRI(3206) Clarified
1 point

OH! CRAP! I was referring to "Mother Nature", not some Christian ramblings. SHE is beautiful and natural, the ramblings are .... ramblings.

Side: Yes
1 point

I guess the ignorance lies in what God has held back by His presence.

I have said many times, the Biblical text is clear, the world has it's god. And what God brought into the world was actually an intrusion and disturbing to the god of this world.

Now, you can either seek foolish views that are inaccurate, or you can seek truth and be wiser for it. And respect people who took a stand on it for the greater good.

Whatever you want to believe is fine. But whether God is true or not in your mind, be at least accurate on what the Bible actually says!

Its pretty unfair of our western society, that has benefited greatly by works of faith done by many great and honorable men and women that were inspired to action by it.

Its actually disgraceful to spread this nonsense when the Bible says differently!

Be honest to begin with, but at leadt be honest in honor of those who stood on it and died for it. Which is in the billions!

So regardless if our faith is true or false, isnt misrepresenting what we actually believe, and what is actually written in our book of hope pretty mean spirited?

I have to ask why atheists insist on misinforming people and destroying peoples faith who are not as strong on their study of the Bible. Its assultive in its very nature to discredit for purpose to be disruptive and to eliminate the faith and hope of people who live peacefully standing by and on their faith.

Smart people, brilliant people, average people, young to the old.

I don't know of any Christians decapitating others. But, I do know of 10s of thousands of people, today, who are being courageous enough to actually take a stand for their beliefs and their freedom to believe independantly under their own will, who ARE being decapitated. Heck a family including children were just crucified taking a stand.

What did this frivolous bumbling coward stand for?

For an applause of a crowd who don't give a lick about even this fools name, let alone for taking a stand on believing anything beyond their desire to fill themselves with their next opinion?

Applause is his reward, he is a hero for being perched and standing for something greeted as popular. Regardless of truth of his words. Wow, what courage!

So applause is his reward for his hate from those who agree with his hate. A hate mongering society, who can't stand one minute for anything without bending their will to every political correct whim that graces our inappreciative, self gratifying, deplorable, selfish centered society.

Popularity driven steered cattle, to take their weak willed stand to bully people of faith.Touting boldly their state of depravity, with force and collusion spreading lies and deceptions and insults set out for the intended purpose of pushing back a stand taken by the strong of principle and character, against the faith of Christians, and against a predominately docile people. Who have built up communities, and who historically, as well as presently labor and give into every area and into evry community in the very Name of whom this weak willed man of nonsense bashes?

Really?

How about the men who stood for greatness in adversity. Those who drew strength and even direction from this book and a faith this whimpy man takes on to discredit?

Abe Lincoln, what if he were not motivated and inspired by it.

So how many great atheist who bash standing on faith did anything great?

How about Martin Luther and more men and women that stood for greatness because of this faith the little man bashes!

Books and pages and more and more than can be mentioned by name would take years of role call. Of great people, who did great things because of thr God of the Bible and in the Name of Jesus the King of all kings.

Acts of greatness are tied to acts of faith!

So now what will be great out of this hostile uninformed ignorant crowd?

Unless you consider making society a dirty sewage dump by fighting and beating down faith, as if standing for somethimg beyond yourself as if an enemy as an act of greatness.

Hail to their great acts of freeing minds from thinking!, and conscience, by their great acts of removing the ten commandments simply because the hair on their arms are offended! Clap, clap, clap!

Really??? Please!

Get a perspective that honors these great people who do and did stand for great things, even at the cost of their lives just like the master in this great book, the Bible!

So lets take inventory. How many today would stand with their lives for anything. How many can't stand beyond their mouthy posts and blogs and you tube videos? Clap, clap, clap!

Do you really want to know what is wrong with the kids and adults today?

They don't believe in anything worth dieing for!!!

Again Clap clap clap the "good job" of fools!

Merry Christmas!

Side: No
1 point

It's one of many potential answers but not in the words that I would choose. Still, I agree more with him than I do the literal interpretation crew who believe a sentence written by Bronze Age men a decade after their savior died is an infallible perfect statement by God and a mandate to base their contemporary lives around.

Side: No
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

I guess the ignorance lies in what God has held back by His presence.

I have said many times, the Biblical text is clear, the world has it's god. And what God brought into the world was actually an intrusion and disturbing to the god of this world.

Now, you can either seek foolish views that are inaccurate, or you can seek truth and be wiser for it. And respect people who took a stand on it for the greater good.

Whatever you want to believe is fine. But whether God is true or not in your mind, be at least accurate on what the Bible actually says!

Its pretty unfair of our western society, that has benefited greatly by works of faith done by many great and honorable men and women that were inspired to action by it.

Its actually disgraceful to spread this nonsense when the Bible says differently!

Be honest to begin with, but at leadt be honest in honor of those who stood on it and died for it. Which is in the billions!

So regardless if our faith is true or false, isnt misrepresenting what we actually believe, and what is actually written in our book of hope pretty mean spirited?

I have to ask why atheists insist on misinforming people and destroying peoples faith who are not as strong on their study of the Bible. Its assultive in its very nature to discredit for purpose to be disruptive and to eliminate the faith and hope of people who live peacefully standing by and on their faith.

I don't know of any Christians decapitating others. But, I do know of 10s of thousands of people, today, who are being courageous enough to actually take a stand for their beliefs and their freedom to believe independantly under their own will, who ARE being decapitated. Heck a family including children were just crucified taking a stand.

What did this frivolous bumbling coward stand for?

For an applause of a crowd who don't give a lick about even this fools name, let alone for taking a stand on believing anything beyond their desire to fill themselves with their next opinion?

For applause of his hate, from those who agree and are a hate mongering society, who can't stand one minute for anything without bending their will to every political correct whim that graces our inappreciative, self gratifying, deplorable, self centered society.

Driven steered cattle, to take their weak willed stand to bully people of faith.

Touting boldly their state of depravity, with the intention on purpose of pushing back people who do take a stand driven by strong of principles, and character. Against a predominately docile people. Who have built up communities, and who historically, as well as presently labor and have given into every area and into every community in the very Name of whom this weak willed man of nonsense bashes?

How does that show honor to men and women who stood for greatness in many timed of adversity. Those who drew strength and even direction from this book and a faith this whimpy man takes on to discredit?

Abe Lincoln, what if he were not motivated and inspired by it.

So how many great atheist who bash standing on faith did anything great?

How about Martin Luther and more men and women that stood for greatness because of this faith the little man bashes!

Acts of greatness are tied to acts of faith!

So now what will be great out of this hostile uninformed ignorant crowd?

Unless you consider making society a dirty sewage dump by fighting and beating down faith, as if standing for somethimg beyond yourself as if an enemy as an act of greatness.

Hail to their great acts of freeing minds from thinking! And from conscience. Hail their great acts of removing the ten commandments, simply because the hair on their arms are offended! Clap, clap, clap!

So lets take inventory. How many today would stand with their lives for anything. How many can't stand beyond their mouthy posts and blogs and you tube videos? Clap, clap, clap!

Do you really want to know what is wrong with the kids and adults today?

They don't believe in anything worth dieing for!!!

Again Clap clap clap the "good job" of fools!

Side: Yes

Like I said, it will be the Progressives who constantly create bigoted hate debates agaist the Christian faith. The intolerance for diversity of thought is amazing.

Side: No
Atrag(5551) Disputed
2 points

Every debate that condemns people you like are bigoted. Every debate you create that condemns people you don't like is not bigoted. It is the logic that you only get when you're over 50 I think. Your principles are so well established that reason and logic has no place anymore.

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Its hateful.

Possibly you blame God for the ills of the world. Now that just is not true. There were seeds growing in darkness, and we live among an opposite garden.

We fell from living among one bad tree and many good trees.

To many bad trees and one Tree of Life.

The Bible says light came into darkness. I've mentioned before, think time travel, time travel rules apply. It's simple blame zeus or any other gods you choose. But God's presence eased the pain of the world, and held back evil by influence of light and salt in the world. He didnt take free will away but He brought influence that made life even this bearable.

So He sustained blessings for both the wicked and the good. And kept free will in tact. As He brought generations through the work of example and everything from genealogy to orchestrating the examples and showing prophets what details to write and be custodials of making history and writing history as prewritten history. And ultamately completing the work of Jesus through the Cross and Resurrection.

God entered this world, an already fallen world, He took to then redeem all those He knew, as one who sees as through looking through all time.

So the redemption had to occur, Jesus and the cross were the only way. So unless He did it all, He would be abandoning His sheep who He knows each by name.

To spare the world wasn't an option. It was already judged.

So had He not it would have all been worse.

And also He would be unjust and unfair to those not redeemed that in foresight He already knew if He did not complete all things.

Side: No
AlofRI(3206) Clarified
1 point

"The intolerance for diversity of thought is amazing." We finally agree on something. There is NO diversity of thought from you, you wont listen to ANYone else.

Progressive "bigoted hate debates"?? I'm NOT a bigot, I DON'T hate, I even "tolerate" religious conservatives, ..... at least until they insult me. I have NO hate for Christians, I would have to hate much of my (and my wife's) family. I don't. The only "bigoted hate" comes from .... er.... Christians, like YOU! Who can't seem to recognize that many don't AGREE with you! Like Trump, you can't tolerate that! You MUST be right!

I don't "need" to be. YOU can "have it your way", just let ME have it mine! I'm happy that "progressives" are less "conservative".

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

No we dont actually agree. The problem lies in definition.

Influence and discussion, as opposed to militant atheism with a full on oppression of artifact findings, and loads of them writing false information, making websites, even holding conferences discipling militant atheists. In order to literally spread lies about the Bible and Christianity.

There is an internet full of atheists devoted to bearing false witness against the Bible, even attacking the Bibles content by trying to legislate laws to change our book. Its crazy! Who do you think is that bothered by the only truth being spoken?

Now why on earth do people want to touch our book?

Everyone has a right to believe and influence. But atheism is religion that "not a religion" and it was a crock of crap!

But America is now faced with an epidemic of empty souls filling with every depravity to their core.

So tolerance would be a discussion, and factual information used. Not pulled out of context, and false historian blogs, and every false lie, from artifacts to declaring its histotry is "proven false" and honestly its all lies.

They are literally bearing false witness against God, and they blinded almost an entire generstion. They will be judged as false prophets, and charged with leading people to hell. So imagine how the internet makes that for one, not that God needs it, but in writing against them.

And then the stumbling block judgment, and even upon the average Joe who is foolishly pronouncing judgment so severe, its as severe as will be on false prophets and teachers!

Man, Id hate to be that stumbling block on the day he is made accountable for all of his crimes against God!

Welcome to the last of the last days.

Side: Yes
FromWithin(8244) Disputed
1 point

You are totally blind you your Party's hate for those who do not follow your political correct fanaticism.

You are the Party of intolerance for opposing beliefs, intolerance for our freedoms to disagree with your constant Left wing conditioning. Your entire post is 180 degrees backwards. You have been successfully brainwashed into the Collective.

Can you be that blind to what your Party has become?

OBVIOUSLY SO!

Side: Yes
1 point

What's ironic about this kind of stuff is that the person who is trying to prove God is not good or trying to blame God for evil is this: The idiots actually gloat over suffering, they are glad they can point at suffering saying "LOOKY LOOKY, God does not care about suffering so He cannot possibly be good!!!"

The fools gorge themselves on suffering, and when they start feeling they are suffering God mocks them because they refused to listen to Him.

This atheistic mantra is more than stupid, it's evil, and people who go out in it are loving their lusts more than life and propelling themselves into the fire of Hell like a moth into the flames.

Side: No
1 point

Ignoring the OP's coupling of the terms "Christian" and "idiot", the idea that this self-proclaimed "destruction of God" in any way undermines the idea of Christianity is superficial at best. First of all, Stephen Fry (the person I assume is talking in the provided video) states several claims which are questionable at best:

1. "How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault?"

This is completely ignorant of the justification for the existence of such things in our world, found in Genesis. According to the Bible, the existence of misery is solely the fault of human action.

2. "It's not right. It's utterly, utterly evil."

This statement is in ignorance of yet another justification found in the Bible: 2 Corinthians: 7. In this verse, sin is described as a thorn in one's side, to keep them from being conceited. Is that purpose "utterly evil"? I say not. Therefore, it follows that God's actions are, at the very least, not "utterly" evil.

3. "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god..."

If a "stupid" entity could create our Universe, which is of nigh-infinite complexity yet regular, I'd be very interested indeed to hear Fry's idea of "intelligent". I dare say the design of his body is far more intelligent than he is.

4. "...who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain."

While both injustice and pain are present in our world, and readily so, this statement clearly demonstrates Fry's ignorance of the justice and joy of this world, which only presents itself less clearly because it's easier to take for granted.

5. "Because the god who created this Universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac. Utter maniac."

"Maniac: a person exhibiting extreme symptoms of wild behavior, especially when violent and dangerous." If our Universe were created by a maniac, as Fry claims, wouldn't its nature and governing laws be "wild", "violent", and "dangerous"? Why, then, are such things an exception to the normally regular, patterned workings of the Universe? Judging by the laws of physics and the matter and energy they bind, I can only come to the conclusion that, if this Universe is indeed the product of a Creator (another discussion, for another debate), then that Creator must be regular and patterned, or, more generally, intelligent. This existence of ours isn't random, violent, thrown-together, or anything else that would indicate its creation by a maniac.

In short, assuming the entire point of this argument is to claim that God does not exist, this is a poor route to take to further that goal.

This argument is stating, generally speaking, that "because I don't like the things God does, and don't understand why He didn't do them differently, He must not exist!". A poor example of logic indeed.

Side: No
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

"This is completely ignorant of the justification for the existence of such things in our world, found in Genesis. According to the Bible, the existence of misery is solely the fault of human action."

Exactly- and that injustice is what Fry is referring to. If original sin was due to Adam and Eve, why is it just to punish humanity as a whole? Why punish children with bone cancer because Adam and Eve disobeyed God?

"This statement is in ignorance of yet another justification found in the Bible: 2 Corinthians: 7. In this verse, sin is described as a thorn in one's side, to keep them from being conceited. Is that purpose "utterly evil"? I say not. Therefore, it follows that God's actions are, at the very least, not "utterly" evil."

To keep man from being conceited is one thing, but to cause roughly 5,000 children under five to die every day because of Adam and Eve isn't "keeping man in check", that is utterly evil.

"If a "stupid" entity could create our Universe, which is of nigh-infinite complexity yet regular, I'd be very interested indeed to hear Fry's idea of "intelligent". I dare say the design of his body is far more intelligent than he is."

I somewhat agree.

"While both injustice and pain are present in our world, and readily so, this statement clearly demonstrates Fry's ignorance of the justice and joy of this world, which only presents itself less clearly because it's easier to take for granted."

Fry does actually briefly reference the pleasure in the world, however, his point about pain and injustice still stand.

"Maniac: a person exhibiting extreme symptoms of wild behavior, especially when violent and dangerous." If our Universe were created by a maniac, as Fry claims, wouldn't its nature and governing laws be "wild", "violent", and "dangerous"? Why, then, are such things an exception to the normally regular, patterned workings of the Universe? Judging by the laws of physics and the matter and energy they bind, I can only come to the conclusion that, if this Universe is indeed the product of a Creator (another discussion, for another debate), then that Creator must be regular and patterned, or, more generally, intelligent. This existence of ours isn't random, violent, thrown-together, or anything else that would indicate its creation by a maniac.

In short, assuming the entire point of this argument is to claim that God does not exist, this is a poor route to take to further that goal.

This argument is stating, generally speaking, that "because I don't like the things God does, and don't understand why He didn't do them differently, He must not exist!". A poor example of logic indeed.

It's hard to say whether our universe is pattered and regular or not, or random. On one hand, we see complexity and order on Earth, while we also see the dangerous nature of life and natural disasters and disorder otherwhere. The argument isn't necessarily saying that God doesn't exist, but arguing against the idea that God is benevolent.

Side: No
LichPotato(362) Disputed
1 point

"If original sin was due to Adam and Eve, why is it just to punish humanity as a whole? Why punish children with bone cancer because Adam and Eve disobeyed God?"

Who's to say that the original sin was the only significant one? Could God, being of infinite knowledge, not be aware of all human action, and not just action taken in the present moment?

"To keep man from being conceited is one thing, but to cause roughly 5,000 children under five to die every day because of Adam and Eve isn't "keeping man in check", that is utterly evil."

Whether the world's suffering is "utterly evil" is a matter of ethics, and thus somewhat subjective. As such, there's no way to come to a meaningful conclusion in this regard.

"Fry does actually briefly reference the pleasure in the world, however, his point about pain and injustice still stand."

His words, in my opinion, imply that there is only suffering in this world, that it's completely horrible.

"It's hard to say whether our universe is pattered and regular or not, or random."

Actually, it's pretty simple. Here's a little thought experiment for you: let's say that, in all of the possible variables the Universe consists of, a single one acted in a truly random manner, say, a photon moving in a truly random manner. If this were the case, this variable would affect its surroundings in a truly random manner, and said surroundings would then affect their surroundings in a truly random manner, and so on and so forth. Basically, if a single truly random element existed in the Universe, no element of the Universe would be predictable. This is not the case, therefore the Universe contains no random elements.

"On one hand, we see complexity and order on Earth, while we also see the dangerous nature of life and natural disasters and disorder otherwhere."

I'm not discussing arbitrary concepts of "order" and "disorder", I'm talking about predictability, or regularity. Just because catastrophic events happen, and life is dangerous, doesn't mean that it isn't regular, or can't be explained.

Side: Yes
1 point

The best answer to Christian idiots, as with any idiots, is to walk away or ignore them. It's difficult because they are so annoying, but responding to them, in any given way, is always fruitless. You end up wasting your time. Just consider all the backlash on this side of the debate. You've gotten nowhere.

Side: No
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

You should also consider that maybe Christians aren't going to try and listen to what you have to say if you insist on referring to them as idiots. Sometimes it is difficult to get anywhere with people, but you may be part of the problem by insulting them.

Side: No
Amarel(5148) Disputed
1 point

People don't have to listen to me ignoring them for me to successfully ignore them. Furthermore, I don't have to actually insult someone by calling them an idiot for them to actually be an idiot. Ultimately, I am not part of a problem where no problem exists. Some people are idiots. By ignoring g them I am neither insulting nor engaging them. No problem arises.

Side: Yes

Just because one moron comes on camera and says something with good aroma doesn't mean he is right.

Cos first he is Moron and again he is talking from his experiences in life(usually and quite certainly).

You don't know where he is coming from and his reason to hate God.

Even i can some very strong reasons to hate God. Anyone can.its just easy.

Easy for anyone in a sinful body .

But the haters are usually the ones who do not want to acknowledge they are sinners. With the fear of going to hell. Sin is just so sweet and addicting so then they decide to generate millions of stories why they should hate. They have refused to be free from the addiction.

Side: No
1 point

Here's what I think. To bitch about Christians acting like assholes and then act like an asshole to Christians is the prime example of both hypocrisy and idiocy. I like Stephen Fry, especially his response to being offended. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/808/609/0e0.jpg that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.

But if you want to be better or at least claim to be better than the "Christians" who look down upon you....then be freakin better than the Christians who look down upon you.

Side: No
1 point

Why is it your place to destroy someone's religious faith? Why does it matter, even? Ben Shapiro, one of the smartest and most talented men in politics to the day, is an absolute genius and a religious Jew. The measure of one's faith does not necessarily make them an idiot, and if you believe that, then you're a jerk. The country was literally founded upon the freedom of religion. That was the whole basis for coming to America in the first place. You thinking their idiots isn't going to stop that, but arguing that their god doesn't exist with stuff that doesn't prove he doesn't exist is a never ending argument.

Side: No
ironskillet(220) Disputed
1 point

I'm not one to say that intelligence correlates to religion, but I don't think it's a bad thing to "destroy religious faith", especially if that person's religious faith is being destructive to themselves. Personally, I don't feel the need to attack anyone's religious faith if it's not harming me, but the problem arises is when someone tries to convert me or tries to govern their relationship with me based on their religion- that's when I'll tell them why I disagree with their religion.

Side: No

The response is perfect, but you're not going to get anywhere if you refer to people as "Christian idiots". If you're calling them idiots, then you're just trying to insult them and be correct.

There's a difference between debating and arguing. In debating, you want to be proved wrong, and then you can change your views if you are. In arguing, you just don't care about what the topic is, you just want to be proved right. And in this case, by insulting Christians, you are making no attempt to try and actually teach them.

Side: No

No.

He is too primitive to follow.

https://users.drew.edu/jlenz/whynot.html

Here you go. A worthy thing on the topic by Bertrand Russell.

Side: No