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Is this what a Libertarian nation would look like?

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The Incorporated States of Capitalist Greed is a fledgling, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its complete lack of public education. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 5 million enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business individuals juggles the competing demands of Commerce, Religion & Spirituality, and Defence. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 4%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Uranium Mining, Retail, and Gambling industries.

Crime is a major problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate. Capitalist Greed's national animal is the Money Grabber, and its currency is the Blood Pint.

Notice how 50% of people are eather murderd, or have starved to death?

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unownmew(160) Disputed
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No, not quite.

Lacking public education, but due to incredible competition between private schools vying for more enrolees by attempting to offer the best education for the least cost, the citizens would be among the most highly educated in the world. Of course, they needn't be, as technical schools would prepare students for the more technical jobs like craftsmen or mechanic if they were so inclined.

The unemployed either quickly and efficiently seek after a new job, or start up their own business with next to no cost, and most members of the working class own their own local business, or a side-business to supplement their income.

There are unfortunately some who have fallen on hard times, but for the most part they receive help through the numerous private charities and churches. Health care is among the best in the nation, and each person receives exactly what they want to pay for, be it large or small, or none at all.

Government is barely noticeable, except when the militia, consisting of every able-bodied and willing citizen, is called for regular training, a dispute between private entities arises, or a crime is committed. Taxes are phenomenally low since a public police force and standing army do not exist. Rather each person is responsible for their own safety, and security in "public" places is provided by private security firms hired by local businesses and held to the strictest of standards. There is no such thing as an income tax, but rather excise taxes are levied on international import and export and other business actions that utilize what little government infrastructure is available. Some people even feel sorry for the government and voluntarily donate funds to it, but these are very few.

Aggressive Crime is rarely perpetrated, since most citizens are armed to the teeth with the highest grade military equipment available, and well trained in the art of combat as a result of being part of the militia. The most common-place crimes involve fraud and negligence, and other abuse within business dealings, but these are easily discovered due to the plain language in contracts and government law.

The most interesting thing about the society is the impressive amounts of freedom and diversity within it. People drive pack animals and wagons alongside automobiles and trucks using both steam, hydrogen, and gas/diesel engines, and bicycles, while the sky teems with the activity of small planes, helicopters, and airships of various designs. Large jets are seen occasionally as well, providing the fastest transport for goods. Clothing designs vary from the most outlandish to simple yet practical, depending on the occupation of the wearer, and the housing isn't must different. And Everyone is worth exactly the amount of effort they put into their trade.

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unownmew(160) Clarified
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This is what a libertarian nation would look like, approximately, IMO.

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kozlov(1754) Disputed
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"And Everyone is worth exactly the amount of effort they put into their trade."

Until that day where monopolies become so large and powerful, they enslave the population...

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Sure, without the taxes and high crime rate.

Much of today's crime is because of the increased regulation over personal livelihood (laws against prostitution, drugs, gambling, pornography, marriage rights).

Monopolies are formed by government contracting opportune businesses, patent laws, regulations that small businesses can't afford to keep up with (minimum wage, increased taxes for not offering health care, health/building codes, FDA, etc.), Bureaucratic systems that inhibit business growth and expansion which limits the jobs available and demanded. In fact, when demand for employees go down, employee benefits (higher wages, health care, etc.) go down because employees become succumb to the few employers that exist.

With absolutely no regulation, anyone can start any kind of business (so long as it is non-aggressive, however that is action-oriented regulation that in Anarchic principles is common law, more on that another time, but let's say government exists solely to keep away murderers and thieves, fair enough). This increases various opportunities for competition. With competing currencies, banks would not have a stranglehold on starting businesses and land owners. Most Libertarians (and anarcho-socialists) are very much against banks in the first place and would not subscribe to them. However, many also look to future, anarchic style banks that offer a means of voluntary trade based on competition and demand; these banks would have no centralized authority currently offered by the Federal Reserve.

Would there still be crime? Of course. Not everyone benefits from freedom and liberty. There will be people who make risks and then suffer for them. If they wish to resort to crime instead of asking for help from their comrades, they will have to face off private security agencies or w/e.

And don't think that everyone is just left to fend for themselves. Private charity, even in today's heavily taxed and regulated environment, reach out to many whom are underprivileged or sick or something of the sort. In such an individualistic culture that looks as Welfare as a bad thing, people are afraid to ask for help. However, we can rely on our friends and families if a charity can not reach us. There are also communities, these things where people work together for the sake of human decency. Without government, communities would thrive due to the lack of corporate interests that express a regulated curriculum (schooling, 9-5 work week, etc.)

But let's say none of this happens... let's say we turn to pandemonium if government gets off our backs. I suppose this would then prove the theory that people need to be regulated by a small amount of people because people are bad... (aka, Statism).

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I don't know much about LIbertarian so meh. It could be, it might not be, who cares. Nationstates.net tends to skew things a bit, and it's not an accurate simulator even if it doesn't skew things. It's for fun. So meh, sort of.

adds the nation to his Dossier, anyway. The Godking shall hear of this

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