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Really Suicidal Attention Hog
Debate Score:36
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Total Votes:42
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Is threatening suicide really suicidal or just desperately wanting attention?

Really Suicidal

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Attention Hog

Side Score: 19

That really depends. I've known people who have threatened to commit suicide and come really close to it, but I've also heard the common teenage threaten it out of anger. I think sometimes people threaten to commit suicide to convince themselves that they really should do it for whatever reason.

Side: Really Suicidal
0 points

I've known people who have threatened to commit suicide and come really close to it, but I've also heard the common teenage threaten it out of anger.

Yet you didn't mention that you know anyone who threatened to commit suicide and still did, and it was out of anger, which is why they want attention.

Side: Attention Hog
2 points

"Yet you didn't mention that you know anyone who threatened to commit suicide and still did"

One of my best friends called and said goodbye.I called the cops and they found her on the bathroom floor bleeding badly from her wrists after she had taken entire bottles of headache medication. When I say close, I mean failed.

Side: Really Suicidal
2 points

Even if it is threatening, these people are screaming and yelling for help, it is not attention. They are giving warning signs.

Side: Really Suicidal
2 points

I agree entirely. Mental health problems run in my family, mainly bi-polar. If you're really suffering from a mental health condition there are initial warning signs and cries for help, threatening suicide can be one of them. I've been sectioned after failed suicide. And I did tell people previously that I felt like I wanted to kill myself. I suppose I was dismissed as an attention seeker but I just wanted help. I was diagnosed with bi-polar (my Nan, aunt and mother also have bi-polar disorder). I wish things like this weren't so blase. I don't remember 90% of anything when I have manic episode (be it a high or low). My medication has completely controlled my episodes it's just a shame that it took attempted suicide to get it. If people took it a little more seriously when people feel suicidal then I'm sure there would be reduced number of actual suicides.

Side: Really Suicidal
0 points

Since mental health problems are pre-existing conditions, then threatening suicide is different and serious than those with no pre-existing conditions.

Side: Attention Hog
1 point

Exactly. To threaten your life states that there is something seriously wrong. It is a cry for help.

Side: Really Suicidal
1 point

Even though it could be a call for attention, the person could really be contemplating wether or not to end his or her life. People shouldn't overlook what that person is saying, because it could come true eventually...

I know some people do just say it for attention, but what's worse: seeing that person deceased, or ignoring signs like that?

Side: Really Suicidal
1 point

A lot of people who actually committed suicide did threaten it beforehand, overtly or covertly. Suicide awareness guides invariably tell you that threatening suicide (and even simply interest in death and suicide topics) is a prime indicator that they might actually do it. So yes, a significant amount of people who threaten suicide are suicidal.

Not that both options can't be true though. Actual suicide or attempted suicide are often themselves ways to get attention. To someone who feels completely powerless, there's no better way to send a strong FUCK YOU to people who know them by killing themselves (except perhaps going on a murder spree, which is also a great way to get attention).

Side: Really Suicidal

If someone is truly suicidal, threatening suicide would be moot. Therefore, it is something who just wants attention due to the fact that they are getting zero now. Someone who is really suicide wouldn't go around threatening suicide, s/he would be dead already.

Side: Attention Hog
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1 point

I know many people who commited suicide - so you are so freaking wrong it is not funny. I reccomend the ten things you are supposed to do when someone talks about suicide.

You folks have no idea. I guess you never knew a person who ever commited suicide. I've known at leas 10 who shot them selve in the face, hung themselve, drink and do drugs to kill themselves. This is not funny hahah time folks......I been suicidal since 7 years old. so don't tell me I would be dead already. Fuck you alls

here are four other signals that should be taken particularly seriously because they are:

Suicide Danger Signals

Threats or talk of killing themselves.

Preparing for death - giving away prized possessions, making a will, writing farewell letters, gathering pills, or saying good-bye.

Talking like there is no hope even in the future.

Acting or talking like not a single person cares; completely giving up on themselves and others.

Support You Can Offer To Friends

Take the problem seriously. Even if the problem doesn't seem real important to you, it may be important to them. Things may be piling up. Show them you understand.

Don't put them down. It doesn't help to say, “Things will be better tomorrow” or “Keep your chin up!” Their problem is real to them.

Encourage them to talk to other people as well as to you. Offer to go along with them to talk with some adult friend they can trust.

Offer to join the person in some activity they normally enjoy. They need a chance to have some fun and get their mind cleared.

Let them know you care. They may try to put you off. Stay in touch. Reach out. Invite them to do things with you. Don't force them to be cheerful. Stick with them.

Dos And Don'ts If A Person Threatens Suicide

Take the threat seriously. Insist on getting help. If they don't agree to help themselves, then you need to go to someone who can help.

Do not agree to keep suicide thoughts or threats a secret. Keeping the secret won't help the person. And you cannot bear the responsibility if they do hurt or kill themselves.

Don't try to call their bluff. It may not be one. Reinforce the fact that you care about them and insist they get help.

Let them know you care they are alive.

Supporting Evidence: Helpful Hints to deal with a suicidal person (www.extension.umn.edu)
Side: Really Suicidal
1 point

I know many people who commited suicide - so you are so freaking wrong it is not funny. I reccomend the ten things you are supposed to do when someone talks about suicide.

Who is laughing? Nobody is implying that suicide is funny.

Threatening suicide is a sign of weakness; it is a cry for attention.

You folks have no idea. I guess you never knew a person who ever committed suicide.

Actually, I have. As regrettable as the situation was, someone who is truly suicidal will go forth without warning, well this was the case of what I've seen.

This is not funny hahah time folks......I been suicidal since 7 years old. so don't tell me I would be dead already. Fuck you alls

Now, you are calling out attention.

Side: Attention Hog
1 point

they could just be looking for attention although I don't know what kind of attention they wanted because people who go around threatening their own life get locked up in psych ward. Now there have been cases where people have gone through with it after saying it but for the most part these people are looking for attention!

Side: Attention Hog
1 point

Well... Most of the suicide cases were never a clue to the friends. Most of them like to take advantage of the care and fear that the friends and relatives have for one.

Side: Attention Hog
3 points

I will rave you back up since it seems we have people going around down-voting everything we say.

Side: Attention Hog
2 points

Thank you Sunset. I understand. I saw you lost another one in one of your arguments. I wonder what they gain..

Side: Attention Hog
1 point

Well on this side, even though "attention hog" isn't the right term.

If someone wants to die really, they don't threaten they just die.

Getting to the point of making the threat though is a sign of something seriously wrong, whether that's mental or if they have actual real life problems.

I do not begrudge a human wanting to fix something wrong with them, and I'd certainly not be so cold to someone who gets to the point where they are considerting killing themself.

In the best interest of humanity as a whole, we should pay attention to friends and neighbors who get to this point...

I mean unless they like say that every week or something and really are attention hogs, that's like a low, low percent of people who get to that point though.

Side: Attention Hog
1 point

My brother used to threaten suicide to get what he wanted. Once, my Mom said, "Fine, do it" He never would and we all knew it. I know this isn't true for all people, but could be an explanation to some of the suicide threats.

Side: Attention Hog