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Islam preaches tolerance
Islam is often a very misunderstood religion, despite being practised by over a billion people. It has controversial attitudes to women, homosexuals, and polytheists, so can we really deem it a tolerant religion? Or do the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) clearly say that we should love one another and that hatred is always to be suppressed. Is there a defensible context for the hadith "kill the disbelievers", or are the teachings of the Qur'an too extreme to be applicable nowadays. This debate should focus not only on Islamic attitudes to other faiths, but also attitudes towards Muslims of different denominations and women within Islam.
My personal opinion is that Islam is a tolerant religion as it preaches of kindness, forgiveness, and peace, and the Qur'an in many places talks of how respected and well-treated women should be. My only personal issue is the Qur'anic attitude to homosexuality. Is there any defence for such seemingly outdated views? This debate shall decide
Actually, Islam does teach that it is loving to kill infidels, especially Christians and Jews, because they will be sent to Hell as punishment for refusing to say "God's name is Allah and His puppet is Mohammed". Islam teaches that after they burn in Hell for a while, they will learn to say Mohammed is God's poopit and Allah is God's name so they can be released from Hell and enter paradise, so killing them is doing them a favor in love by shortening their time so they don't keep on getting more time in Hell added to their sentence for refusing to kiss Mohammed's hiney as they grow old.
All you have to do is look to the Mid East where Islam thrives to see whether they are peaceful and tolerant of others. From what I've seen and read, they hang gays; stone women for exercising control over their bodies; make women second class/chattel; persecute non Muslims; limit freedom of speech/expression; limit freedom of/from religion and association of groups.. just for starters. That's not tolerance in my book.
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Quran (4:11) - "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females". In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them women"
Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.
Sahih Bukhari (2:29) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men
Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
Another pop quiz for you are you ready ? Sure you are !
Stoning and Adultery
Does Islam prescribe the death penalty for consensual sex?
The religion that allows a man to keep sex slaves also requires the execution of consenting adults.
There were several times in Muhammad's life when he ordered that people be put to death when they had committed no crime other than "illegal" sexual intercourse. The only unmarried sex explicitly allowed in Islam is between a Muslim man and his slaves.
The Bible also says this - Adultery is punishable by death in all cases, but murder is only punishable by death in some cases. (I am not for the death penalty for anything but this does show a certain level of hypocrisy)
Also the Bible prescribes genocide upon all people who worship ANY other God. Islam talks of Jews and Christians being brothers in faith, and, whilst the Qur'an condemns polytheistic beliefs it never encourages murder of innocent civilians, regardless of belief, outside of a time of war.
So If you wish to use the adultery argument for Islam, we must also apply it to Christianity and Judaism
Sahih Muslim (17:4206) - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned. The description is graphic: "Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her."
Numerous examples of stoning adulterers under Islamic law persist, from the Islamist frontier of Somalia to the modern state of Iran. In 2010, the Taliban planted a couple having unauthorized sex in the ground and brutally pelted them with stones (the man had to be finished off with three gunshots) only a few days after they flogged a pregnant woman 200 times and then shot her in the head. In "condemning" the killings, the "moderate" president of Afghanistan would only say that it was wrong because it were not preceded by a trial.
You going to continue your support for the Religion of Peace ?
According to Umar (Muhammad's companion and Islam's second caliph) "[Allah] sent down the Book (Quran) upon him (Muhamad), and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him." Umar went on to insist that "Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession." (Muslim 17:4194)
Do you Democrats approve of the Religion of Peace ?
The Qur'an uses the phrase "fornicators or adulterers" in verse 24:2 and prescribes 100 lashes as punishment (verse 4:15 suggests house arrest for "lewdness"). This almost certainly refers to unmarried sex, since it makes little sense for fornication and adultery to be prescribed the same punishment when they are different offenses. It would also contradict the many examples from the Hadith in which Muhammad put adulterers to death. In fact, Muslim (17:4209) records a case in which an unmarried man is flogged on the prophet of Islam's order, while his married partner in crime is stoned.
How is it you Democrats accept such behavior from a Religion of Tolerance ?
"If any man after legal conviction shall have or worship any other god but the lord god, he shall be put to death."
"If any man or woman be a witch (that is hath or consults with a familiar spirit), they shall be put to death."
"If any person shall blaspheme the name of God, the Father, Son or Holy Ghost, with direct, express, presumptuous or high handed blasphemy, or shall curse God in the like manner, he shall be put to death."
"If any man lyeth with mankind (with another man in homosexual intercourse) as he lyeth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination, and they both shall surely be put to death."
"If any person committeth adultery with a married or espoused wife, the adulterer and adulteress shall surely be put to death."
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Was the adultery law used to execute anyone for adultery - yes:
The Qur'an encourages love, tolerance, and admiration towards women "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) used to salute women and they used to reply his salutation." It also says how "man should observe his duty to Allah in respect to the women, and treat them well". The Bible however, talks of keeping slaves, of beating women, and tells you that "if your daughter is raped by a man, and refuses then to marry him - stone her to death"
Wuestion: "Does Deuteronomy 22:28-29 command a rape victim to marry her rapist?"
Since you throw stuff out there without questioning the facts, and Cooper has done an excellent job of showing the obvious by quoting the Crayon, how Islams "holy" (gag) book teaches women are animals and property not worthy of human respect, I'll quote for you the Bible verses you are abusing and twisting while you ignore what the Bible teaches. Such behavior is typical of atheists and Muslims who live by lies and hate the truth.
Here is the Bible passage you are LYING about, which clearly teaches a rapist is to be killed. Also note that the passages in context provide safeguards against false accusations of rape being made by a woman.
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22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Notice verse 25:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
Question: "Does Deuteronomy 22:28-29 command a rape victim to marry her rapist?"
Answer: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is often pointed to by atheists, skeptics, and other Bible attackers as evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist, and therefore, not the Word of God. At first glance, this passage seems to command that a rape victim must marry her rapist, if you have been programmed to look at it that way instead of actually learning what the Bible teaches. This issue is actually addressed in two passages, both of which are below:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."
Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether or not it was rape or consensual) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father's permission first, negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this—he now must pay up (he can't opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was a foolish, spur-of-the-moment act and she really wasn't the right woman for him!).
Also note that "he may not divorce her all his days" – this initially doesn't seem significant but is actually a major punishment. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (restated more clearly in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9) allowed for divorce, but only in the case of sexual immorality . This man now may not divorce his wife even for this reason, but is obliged to continue to support her all his life whatever she does.
But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to a rapist? Not many. So, in general, a rapist would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.
The answer to the question is in Exodus 22:17 - the woman does NOT have to marry a rapist, she must only do what her father says.
Note that throughout the Old Testament no rape victim is ever recorded as being forced to marry a rapist. However it is plausible that there could be circumstances in which a father would choose to have his daughter marry a rapist. In 2 Samuel 13, Amnon, a son of David, rapes his half-sister, Tamar. Tamar was not forced to marry Amnon. Interestingly, though, Tamar seemed to have wanted to marry Amnon after the rape (2 Samuel 13:13-16). Why would she desire such a thing? In that culture, virginity was highly prized. It would have been very difficult for a woman who was not a virgin, and especially a woman who had been raped, to find a man to marry her. It seems that Tamar would have rather married Amnon than live desolate and single the rest of her life, which is what happened to her (2 Samuel 13:20). So Deuteronomy 22:28-29 could be viewed as merciful to the woman, who, because of the rape, would be considered unmarriageable. In that culture, a woman without a husband would have a very difficult time providing for herself. Unmarried women often had no choice but to sell themselves into slavery or prostitution just to survive. This is why the passage leaves marriage to the discretion of the father, because every situation is different, and it is better to be flexible than have a blanket rule.
Also note that the penalty for having sex with an unbetrothed virgin is completely different from the penalty for sex with a married or betrothed woman. Sex with a married or betrothed woman is adultery and was to be punished by the death of both if consensual, or the death of the man if it was rape (Deuteronomy 22:22-27).
While you promote lies about what the Bible says and teaches without quoting the Bible (probably brainwashed by teachers with evil intentions so it's not really your fault that you seem to not know enough to investigate for yourself to find facts), Cooper did an excellent job of quoting the Crayon showing the obvious; the "holy" (gag) book of Islam teaches that women are nothing more than animals.
You do know God commands that we do not bear false witness, right?
Is it the woman or father who decides when the woman is a captured prisoner of war???
Deuteronomy 21:
10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Again, this is law given for Israel for the good of the people and the nation. Why do you have to be so ignorant? Why can't you study something out and learn it on your own?
So a man takes a woman home after war where her men were killed, brings her home and makes her his queen and gives his life to her as her husband. Are you so stupid you can't figure that out for yourself?
You parrot mouth bird brained atheists think you are so stinking smart when you are so dumb. Is it any wonder Psalm 14:1 says "The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no God."
What you need to be concerned about is how you have violated God's law and are dying because of your sins. You need to be concerned about facing God in judgement, about how you will obtain His mercy when you have no right to live on Earth let alone exist outside of the fire of Hell.
My guess is that your daughter is a cheap piece of meat, equal to a whore monger man who might even split the cost of her abortions all things being equal
Pop quiz - "Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam."
Islamic law (Sharia) requires that adulterers be put to death, since it was the example set by Muhammad. In practice, the women are executed far more often, since they are presumed to bear the burden of sexual responsibility (in Islam's male-dominated society) and are, perhaps, more likely to confess their discretion. Rape victims are sometimes convicted if they speak out. Reporting a rape means a confession of adultery under Sharia law if four male witnesses cannot be found to confirm the victim's claim.
You want to continue to defend a religion that is polar opposite of what you Democrats believe ?
You would need four trustworthy witnesses (not necessarily men), to condemn a woman for adultery as well. Also punishments are prescribed in Islam by God for people to atone for their sins. Stoning is relatively uncommon in official trials nowadays and they actually use beheading. Whilst this sounds barbaric, it is far quicker and less painless than either the electric chair or the lethal injection, both of which cause huge pain. Whilst the adultery laws may seem severe, many Muslims happily accept them because they believe that the punishment exonerates them from sin and guarantees them entry to Heaven. Also don't assume we're all Democrats or Americans here
No religion truly tolerates all people. As much as I am pro-Islam, I'll have to reject the idea that they are tolerant of all persons, for no religion is tolerant of all people.
Actually, Islam does teach that it is loving to kill infidels, especially Christians and Jews, because they will be sent to Hell as punishment for refusing to say "God's name is Allah and His puppet is Mohammed". Islam teaches that after they burn in Hell for a while, they will learn to say Mohammed is God's poopit and Allah is God's name so they can be released from Hell and enter paradise, so killing them is doing them a favor in love by shortening their time so they don't keep on getting more time in Hell added to their sentence for refusing to kiss Mohammed's hiney as they grow old.
You probably include the faith of God in Jesus Christ as a religion. God is not a religion, He is a person and He came down from Heaven in the form of a man, the Son of God who loved His enemies and died for them. There is no greater tolerance, there is no greater love. Islam is nothing but enslavement by threat of force, and murder against those who refuse to bow as commanded by Mohammed.