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Islam vs. Judaism

Which is the better religion?

Islam

Side Score: 28
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Judaism

Side Score: 43
3 points

1.judaism narrates episodes of major sins to their prophets and events which attribute failings of the creation to the CREATOR,ISLAM DOES NOT.2.THERE R SEVERAL SCIENTIFIC CONTRADICTIONS IN THE TORAH-GENESIS ETC WHICH R NOT FOUND IN QURAN.3.THE TORAH SHOWS HUMAN TENDENCIES OF FAVOURITISM TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AS WELL AS FAULTY JUDJEMENT WHICH DO NOT BEFIT ALMIGHTY GOD, 4.THE EMPHASIS IN JUDAISM IS PRIMARILY THE JEWISH TRIBE AND SECONDARILY GOD,WHEREAS THE EMPHASES IN ISLAM IS PRIMARILY ON ALLAH SHWT.5.THE JEW BELIEVE IN SOME OF THE PROPHETS AND REJECT OTHERS,ISLAM ACCEPTS ALL THE PROPHETS AND TEACHES THE CONTINUITY OF THE MESSAGE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.6.THE SIMPLICITY OF THE FAITH,THE CLARITY OF THE END AND THE HEREAFTER,THE INIMITABILITY AND INCORRUPTIBILTY OF THE MESSAGE IS UNIQUE TO ISLAM IN CONTRAST TO JUDAISM.7. THE HISTORY OF THE JEWS ITSELF IS A TESTIMONY AGAINST JUDAISM

Side: Islam
Levite(1) Disputed
1 point

The central core of the Muslim criticism of Jewish beliefs is unjustifiable. The basic pattern is "Judaism got it wrong, Islam provides a better alternative." The main problem with this is that ideas that are easier to believe do not necessarily translate as being superior. Sometimes the truth is complex, and great people often have layers of complexity. Islam likes to say that Judaism has been corrupted because the Torah focuses on some of the failures of great people. All this means is that Islam is incapable of dealing with complexity.

Point 1 is actually two different points. Regarding the first point is "Judaism narrates episodes of major sins to their prophets... Islam does not," classical Muslim sources explain that prophets can only commit minor sins, not major ones. However, can we actually say that the sin of Adam was a minor sin? According to the Torah, his sin led to the mortality of every human being in history. Adam was created as an immortal being and his sin made him mortal, i.e., introduced death into the equation. I don't see any good way of describing his sin as a minor one!

The second point is that Judaism attributes "failings of the creation to the CREATOR." This is untrue because Judaism never considers God, Who is Perfect, as having failed at anything. Most of the criticisms based on this idea are rooted in either deliberate or accidental misunderstandings.

Responding to Namusu's Point 2, studying the apparent scientific contradictions of the Genesis account with a learned, preferably Orthodox, Jew reveal that it contains no scientific contradictions. Muslims should exercise a bit more discrimination when making such statements.

Regarding his third point, we are not squeamish about the concept that God chose the Jewish People. However, we maintain that this is not a belief rooted in Jewish self-favoritism. We actually believe that God chose the Jewish People, as the Q'uran states in several places as well. Whatever explanations Muslims provide for God "unchoosing" the Jews is their own business, but the Q'uran is clear that God chose the Jews as His representatives in the world. By the way, Muslims also believe that they are chosen, so Jews have a stronger argument by saying that it is in fact Muslims who are guilty of favoritism.

Regarding his fourth point, it is untrue that "the emphasis in Judaism is primarily the Jewish tribe." Judaism is a religion, not a tribe, and the proof is that people can convert to Judaism. You cannot convert to a tribe, but you can convert to a religion.

Regarding the fifth point, this is circular logic. If the Jews believe that certain individuals were not prophets, then they are not actually rejecting prophets. For Muslims to say that Jews rejected prophets only expresses their own view, but it's not a valid allegation. For example, Jews believe that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were prophets to the exclusion of Ishmael.

Regarding the sixth point, it's just false, so there's nothing to respond to.

Regarding the seventh point, it's patently untrue. I assume the author is referring to the dark history of the Jewish People. Jewish history has unfolded exactly as one would expect if God's Covenant with the Jews was eternal. Every act of deviation from that Covenant leads to disaster, everything in proportion and in accordance with the Divine Will. If the Covenant had been annulled, the Jews would have prospered in spite of the fact that they had deviated from the laws of the Torah. As an aside, does the suffering of the Muslims, wherever they reside, indicate that God has cancelled their status as the recipients of the final prophecy? If their suffering means that they are being punished for violating their pact with God, then the same exact concept applies to the Jews.

Side: Judaism
2 points

ISLAM IS

SO WHY IS THAT?

#1 you have to know meaning and definition of both to know why I say islam?

islam means submitting yourWHOLEself to the will or the law or the commendment or to the order of the almighty-GOD & worshipping the almight-Lord of existence and no one else.

judaism: is a name of tribe that originated from the child/son of prophet Jacob called Juda brother of prophet joseph..... Juda was the most hostile towards Joseph B coz he did not like the idea that Joseph was going to be a prophet. and that he will be a subservant to joseph.

to shorten the story>> Judaism is to submit yourself to the jew tribe before GOD.... MAGNIFY the jew tribe. through that then you'll b able to pray to god..... are jews cosider them selves to be superior THEN any other human on earht because they proclaim to be the chosen children of GOD

therefore judaism is arroagance and in order not to be a part of the arrogance jews should be muslims and every one else should a muslim which doesn't means 2B an arab it means submission to the commend of god alone.

WATCH THIS VIDEO TO FIND OUT WHY JOSEPH A JEW BECAME A MUSLIM
Side: islam
3 points

Islam is good only in one aspect - it';s a brotherhood. That's the reason why it was so successfull in India, cast oriented coyuntry. In all other aspects - Islam is bad for the world and for those who beleive in it. First of all it does not value life of a person and second it does not promote any thinking, just memorization of passages of the book which was not even written by it's profet. Also I would like to add that islam is successfull only in democratic countries. Imagine islam ideology in let say Russia, or Uzbekistan, or Turkmenistan, or Jordan...

Side: islam
hotbread(3) Disputed
2 points

While I am glad that Yusuf has found a place for himself in this world, it is clear that abubakar31 has no real understanding of Judaism at all. To make a debate fair, it is important to define what it is each side is talking about.

Judaism is the religion of the Israelites, or Hebrews. We, like Muslims, inherited their knowledge of the One G-d, from own father Abraham (Ibrahim). That in and of itself did not constitute a religion. Abraham spread word of his G-d throughout the Levant. Some people accepted it, some did not. The religious and ethnic group which came to be called Israelites are the descendants of Abraham's grandson Jacob (later called Israel). Keeping a promise He made to Abraham, G-d takes them out of slavery and prepares to deliver them to Canaan, the land that He promised to Abraham, and which Abraham bequeathed to his son Isaac, and which Isaac had bequeathed to Israel. On the way, G-d reveals His Law (what Jews call the Torah) to ALL those assembled at the foot of Mt. Sinai. This is a key element of Jewish belief. G-d revealed Himself and His will to a mass of at least 600,000 people at Sinai. Judaism is based on mass testimony, not singular revelation. It is at this point that the Jewish religion is born.

Islam is the revelation of G-d will and Law to a singular individual living in Mecca around the year 600. Orphaned and outcast from a wealthy family in the wealthiest caste, Mohammad seeks a truth. He finds it in the desert - delivered to him by the angel Gabriel. Take note here that in all the books of the three monotheistic religions, only Moses, the prophet of all three - but the deliverer of the Israelites - only Moses speaks directly with G-d. Neither Jesus nor Mohammad know G-d, "panim el panim," face to face.

Mohammad, delivering his unwelcome message is quickly driven from Mecca. He moves to Medina where he gathers more adherents. He also, at this point, eliminated those who reject his teaching - [Example: he completely drove out 2 Jewish clans, and drove out the women and children of the 3rd after slaughtering 800 of their Jewish men in the public square]. Using the rationale, "If you are not with us, then you are against us," the 'community' moves out to bring the world under the umbrella of Islam, to have everyone live by their view of the Law. By coercion or by the sword they bring the diverse, divergent, and polytheistic Arabia under there control. Their dramatic military victories, in their eyes (as in the eyes of the conquered), proof that G-d is with them.

The Jewish religion demands absolute acceptance of G-d's Law and His authority. In contrast to the global jihad envisioned by Islam, the children of Israel (Bnei Yisrael) were told that only they are to live by the Torah; to be a "light unto the nations." The meaning is that Jews must inform the rest of the world that there is only One God, and that He is Universal, and that He is there for all humanity to serve. The key thing to note here is that the Torah is not what is universally applicable to all mankind. It is only the acknowledgment and acceptance of the One G-d. By Jewish understanding are in no way required to "become Jewish." In fact, non-Jews are only obligated to the 7 Noahide laws - a subset of the Ten Commandments.

The Jewish people are called by this name today because after the separation of the land of Canaan into Israel in the north and Judeah in the south, the Northern Kingdom was overrun by and its inhabitants scattered across the region. The Southern Kingdom stayed intact for a while longer, until the Babylonians conquered them and they too were scattered. It was the Persians, conquerers of the Babylonians who allowed their Hebrew transplants to return to their land. Having been from the kingdom of Judeah (Southern Kingdom), they became known as Judaians/Yehudim/Jews. Their religion, unique in the world at the time was referred to as Yehudaism (Judaism).

Most Jews, and I am sure that Joseph (aka Yusuf) was amongst them, know very little about their religion, their history, and their Law. It is no surprise that many leave for other spiritual sources, but it is not the fault of the religion, so much as the practitioners, for we have failed to effectively rebuff the influence of the outside world during the formative years of our children's lives. Then, as adults, they seek a path to G-d and they are sure that it exists somewhere other than in their own home.

Judaism has been unfailingly succesful in it's primary mission - calling the world to the One G-d. Both Christianity and Islam are reactionary religious movements based on their prophet's interaction with Jews and Judaism in their communities. It was the Jewish spark which spread knowledge of Him through the Roman Empire, and 600 years later through Arabia, Asia, and Western Europe.

It is amusing to hear an adherent of Islam or Christianity claim Jewish arrogance. Both of these spin off religions demand that the whole world follow exactly their form of faith and worship. Both condemn the rest of the world to the depths of Hell. Historically, both have waged global wars of Jihad and conquest in the name of their arrogance. Today, 'radical' Islam has is taking up the mantle of global jihad once again. It's ultimate foe, Christianity based, Western style, Capitalism driven Democracy.

Jews are a relatively insignificant percentage of the worlds population, just 14 million on a planet of 6.8 billion people. Jews do not control any major nature resource on the planet. Until 60 years ago, when some 50% of her population was once again wiped out, they did not even have a place to call home. Where, perchance, is the source of any arrogance?

My antagonist says that Islam is a religion about subservience to G-d. Judaism concurs, emphatically. He says that we should submit to the will of no one else, and yet the Prophet is untouchable, unerring, and in some cases super-human. Any questioning of him is seen as blasphemous and a number of people have had fatwahs (death orders) issued against them for what seem like minor offenses. Is this not a form of idolatry. Have they not elevated this man to the level of G-d Himself? Judaism rejects this view completely. Though our prophets be mighty, they always remain human. Their level of holiness and closeness to the One G-d something to emulate and pursue. Their errors examples from which we learn, and heartening - even though we err, we too can achieve an intimate relationship with Him.

There are many liturgical points we could discuss in delineating the differences between the two religions. It is quite safe to say that all their adherents are human - all too human, all too often, and that it is at times hard to differentiate the policy from the practitioner. That said, based simply on the two points brought up: 1. That Judaism is a religion of arrogance while Islam is one of humility and 2. that Judaism does not put G-d first while Islam does - we can see that abubakar31 is errant in his logic and that Judaism is the more optimal choice.

Side: Judaism
abubakar31(176) Disputed
5 points

#1 you are saying christians and muslims are the ones waging wars and jihads. but king solomon and king david wasn't so peaceful.maybe you need to recheck that. Also what about the war in isreal against the owners of the land driving them out violently with the help of the christians and the westerners.

#2 you said we make our prophet muhammad so superhuman in a form of idolatry... when the basic of islam is to declare=== no god but the almighty god and muhammad is the massanger and a slave of god how is he a form of idol.

what about in your judaism religion let see GENESIS 32:22-31 jocab fought against god. what!... are you kidding me a man your prophet is capable of fighting the al mighty GOD. that is blasphamous to us.

you also need to understand the arrogance of jews.. it is because you have to be the tribe of juda.. in order to have relation with god ... the meaning of islam is not a tribes name but is to submit your will to the one GOD.

Side: islam
1 point

2:40

Sahih International

O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only] Me.

2:41

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2:41

Sahih International

And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me.

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2:42

Sahih International

And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it].

2:43

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2:43

Sahih International

And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience].

2:44

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2:44

Sahih International

Do you order righteousness of the people and forget yourselves while you recite the Scripture? Then will you not reason?

2:45

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2:45

Sahih International

And seek help through patience and prayer, and indeed, it is difficult except for the humbly submissive [to Allah ]

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2:46

Sahih International

Who are certain that they will meet their Lord and that they will return to Him.

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2:47

Sahih International

O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.

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2:48

Sahih International

And fear a Day when no soul will suffice for another soul at all, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be taken from it, nor will they be aided.

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2:49

Sahih International

And [recall] when We saved your forefathers from the people of Pharaoh, who afflicted you with the worst torment, slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord.

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2:50

Sahih International

And [recall] when We parted the sea for you and saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were looking on.

2:51

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2:51

Sahih International

And [recall] when We made an appointment with Moses for forty nights. Then you took [for worship] the calf after him, while you were wrongdoers.

2:52

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2:52

Sahih International

Then We forgave you after that so perhaps you would be grateful.

2:53

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2:53

Sahih International

And [recall] when We gave Moses the Scripture and criterion that perhaps you would be guided.

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2:54

Sahih International

And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "O my people, indeed you have wronged yourselves by your taking of the calf [for worship]. So repent to your Creator and kill yourselves. That is best for [all of] you in the sight of your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance; indeed, He is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

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2:55

Sahih International

And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we will never believe you until we see Allah outright"; so the thunderbolt took you while you were looking on.

2:56

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2:56

Sahih International

Then We revived you after your death that perhaps you would be grateful.

2:57

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2:57

Sahih International

And We shaded you with clouds and sent down to you manna and quails, [saying], "Eat from the good things with which We have provided you." And they wronged Us not - but they were [only] wronging themselves.

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2:58

Sahih International

And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]."

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2:59

Sahih International

But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying.

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2:60

Sahih International

And [recall] when Moses prayed for water for his people, so We said, "Strike with your staff the stone." And there gushed forth from it twelve springs, and every people knew its watering place. "Eat and drink from the provision of Allah , and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption."

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2:61

Sahih International

And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one [kind of] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." [Moses] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into [any] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah [upon them]. That was because they [repeatedly] disbelieved in the signs of Allah and killed the prophets without right. That was because they disobeyed and were [habitually] transgressing.

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2:62

Sahih International

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

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2:63

Sahih International

And [recall] when We took your covenant, [O Children of Israel, to abide by the Torah] and We raised over you the mount, [saying], "Take what We have given you with determination and remember what is in it that perhaps you may become righteous."

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2:64

Sahih International

Then you turned away after that. And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy, you would have been among the losers.

2:65

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2:65

Sahih International

And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."

2:66

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2:66

Sahih International

And We made it a deterrent punishment for those who were present and those who succeeded [them] and a lesson for those who fear Allah .

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2:67

Sahih International

And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

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2:68

Sahih International

They said, "Call upon your Lord to make clear to us what it is." [Moses] said, "[ Allah ] says, 'It is a cow which is neither old nor virgin, but median between that,' so do what you are commanded."

2:69

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2:69

Sahih International

They said, "Call upon your Lord to show us what is her color." He said, "He says, 'It is a yellow cow, bright in color - pleasing to the observers.' "

2:70

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2:70

Sahih International

They said, "Call upon your Lord to make clear to us what it is. Indeed, [all] cows look alike to us. And indeed we, if Allah wills, will be guided."

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2:71

Sahih International

He said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.' " They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered her, but they could hardly do it.

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2:72

Sahih International

And [recall] when you slew a man and disputed over it, but Allah was to bring out that which you were concealing.

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2:73

Sahih International

So, We said, "Strike the slain man with part of it." Thus does Allah bring the dead to life, and He shows you His signs that you might reason.

(SURAH AL-BAQARAH:40-73)

Side: Islam
1 point

3:64

Sahih International

Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."

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3:65

Sahih International

O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

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3:66

Sahih International

Here you are - those who have argued about that of which you have [some] knowledge, but why do you argue about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows, while you know not.

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3:67

Sahih International

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

3:68

3:68

Sahih International

Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to Allah ] and this prophet, and those who believe [in his message]. And Allah is the ally of the believers.

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3:69

Sahih International

A faction of the people of the Scripture wish they could mislead you. But they do not mislead except themselves, and they perceive [it] not.

3:70

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3:70

Sahih International

O People of the Scripture, why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah while you witness [to their truth]?

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3:71

Sahih International

O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?

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3:72

Sahih International

And a faction of the People of the Scripture say [to each other], "Believe in that which was revealed to the believers at the beginning of the day and reject it at its end that perhaps they will abandon their religion,

(SURAH ALI-'IMRAN:64-72)

Side: Islam

Of course ISLAM the religion of peace

and what you hear about Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam

"ALLAH IS THE GREATEST"

Side: Islam
3 points

how islam could say that all jews are true jews while the jew that they know where talmudists not jews not all jews disobey the torah the fact is there are branches of judaism who don`t follow torah but talmud so can quran explain the tanakh

Side: Judaism
3 points

Sahih International

And We certainly gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in doubt over his meeting. And we made the Torah guidance for the Children of Israel..

32:23

Side: Judaism
3 points

muhammed get the teachings from torah only but does he read about the whole tanakh

Side: Judaism
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
1 point

Muhammed got his teachings from an angel called jibrel he brough his message to muhammed straight from allah(god).

Side: Islam
3 points

jesus and muhammed doesn`t see and talk to god in face to face they have talk to angel gabriel but this two prophets of islam talk to god directly like the prophets of judaism

Side: Judaism
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
1 point

In the quran it also say that musa spoke to god directly through a burning bush.which other jewish prophet spoke directly to god.

Side: Islam
3 points

ads it is written shemoth (exodus 33:11) YHVH

spoke to moses

Side: Judaism
3 points

I am Jewish, so I choose this one. I love Muslims though. .

Side: Judaism
ilyasdj(5) Disputed
1 point

thanks i'm muslim can i make you my allie or do you want to be my enemie

Side: Islam
1 point

Allies for sure! :)

Side: Islam
2 points

Well, considering it is the root of the world's most popular religion, I would have to say Judaism is the "better" religion.

Side: Judaism
abubakar31(176) Disputed
5 points

I concur it is the root but prophets have been raised within them by GOD many many of them that they believe to be prophets but when god raised a prophet they definitely recognize to be a prophet from GOD they became arrogant because this time this one is not from among their tribe.... so god chosen who should be.. but it is like they are saying god is wrong choosing that man as a prophet.. god is never wrong... and that's why judaism is blasphamous religion just like christian while they use to be true religions of GOD.

Side: islam
Troy8(2431) Disputed
3 points

I'm not really sure why whatever you said makes Judaism a blasphemous relegion. Can you please try using correct punctuation, capitalization, and grammar? I'll get back to you as soon as you do that.

Side: Judaism
2 points

judaism is obviously better:

1.on certain holidays, getting drunk is required

2. fried food is a tradition on certain holidays

3. on our holy days we are prohibited from working and are rewarded for having sex.

4. they are the smartest people. they have only 3% of the american population but make up half of its world chess champioins, 27% of nobel winners, 22% of Ivy League students, and 25% of cheif executives

Side: Judaism
2 points

Not sure if Judaism in current history did any good, but people who got out of it did extremenly good. Just some name: Einsteyn, Spinosa, Woody Allen.

Side: Judaism
2 points

i am muslium man. i donot know wy i like jewis. my dream every day coming jews people and say me come here and some beutiful rose give me. i donot no about jews. but i like it . i think this is a very true religion, i am muslim man but my heart like jews person. judaism is best. i am muslum this is very shame for me if i chance get i want study judism.

Side: Judaism
2 points

Regardless of what religion you follow there's nothing wrong with wanting to learn and study another, you may study it and convert or you decide that it's not for you but it will at least give you understanding of another religion and with understanding comes tolerance, I have studied Christianity and when I get the chance I like to learn about other peoples beliefs.

I have recently met some Mulsims a couple of very devout ones who follow the rules of the religion and others who by their own admission are "bad" Muslims they drink etc but all of them have been very patient with me and my questions and have given me an insight into the religion which was one I will honestly admit to not really understanding before, it's not for me but it's nice to learn about other people's belief's

With regard to the debate topic I dont think one Religion is better than another I believe you should go with the one that suits you.

Side: Judaism
1 point

Jews in least do not oppress their religion on others. They also do not execute people for apostasy...etc.

Side: Judaism
1 point

in The Koran it says that Pharaoh and Haman met. how can this be? Pharaoh was in Egypt approx. 900 yrs before the story of Haman in Persia! it`s a human error in chronological order

Side: Judaism

I rather be a Jew. My religion doesn't oppose woman and is not known as one of the most violent religions is history. Plus from what I see in the 20th century and the Early 00's , Muslims have been more violent than Jews.

Side: Judaism

Judaism accepts peace and treats their members fairly. Judaism does not preach hate.

Side: Judaism