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this is ridiculous! i dont agree!
Debate Score:139
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Isn't it ridiculous, on how athletes get paid billions to run with a ball?

I think its getting kind of ridiculos on how Atheltes get paid billions a year to pick up a ball and throw it when some guy blows the whistle.

like, they should use that on nature, enviorment, creating cures. but instead they want to entertain themseleves with People, who dont even know you, are getting paid billions, of dollars, not just athletes , actor and singers too. its now gone crazy with this money, just flaring around going to people, who you cheer for or put signs everywhere for..... and thats not going to help our enviorment, it defeniltey wont help Haiti, and other foundations and why cant we just use that money to help find a cure. i think this is ridiculous. :/. :).

this is ridiculous!

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i dont agree!

Side Score: 55
5 points

Ridiculous, is an understatement. Insanity is more like it. People somehow feel the need to be entertained by these idiots. I think it has to do with people being to lazy to create their own entrainment. Story telling and conversation used to be a large part of family entertainment. Intelligence has been lost to no brainers. Just sit back and not think a single thing.

Side: Insanity
3 points

I completely, agree, the question should have insanity other then ridiculous.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

I've heard it put forward that athletes represent a person that everyone wishes they could be, or were, and consequently people support them to live in that fantasy.

The athlete in this society is a person who literally has a thoughtless job, it is instead physical training which requires mere persistence and competition. Our bodies build up the endurance and fortitude. In this society, good athletes get high approval which can act as a sort of mechanism to let them float by where others must struggle for academic tasks. Again, because the athletes represent what many wish they could be, or could have been.

Some athletes are allowed to live a life of figurative sin, as well, and get away with it. Drugs, rampant promiscuity and scandals, squandered reputation and money.

It's really a shame, but one can understand it.

Side: this is ridiculous!
4 points

Of course it is ridiculous - who could possibly deserve billions of dollars a year for such menial task.

Side: this is ridiculous!
2 points

From a personal viewpoint, athletes are overpaid. No doubt, but the market views it from a different standpoint.

From a economic viewpoint, athletes are paid quite nicely because of three reasons:

1. Supply and Demand of the Labor Market

For example, Alex Rodriguez earns ~$25 million dollars a year. In 2009, Alex hit 100 RBI, 30 Home Runs, 127 Hits, .286 Batting Average, and .586 Slugging while missing the first month of April and leading the Yankees to the World Series. Now, the supply who can produce this is very limited, it is basically only Alex. However, the demand is skyrocketing. Every team wants Alex, but since the supply is very low, he will demand a high salary. Thus, the Yankees are the only team that can afford his talent.

2. Mass Consumerism

Sports is a very consolidated. Meaning that of all the teams, they may be 10,000 employees in each sport. However, they are bringing in billions of dollars of revenue in mass consumerism from tickets, merchandise and whatever else. The only way their salaries will go down if people stop watching sports.

3. Consolidated Private Monopoly (NO Real Competition)

The NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL have no real competitors except themselves. The NFL and the MLB compete but not directly because they are complement goods rather than substitute goods. There is no other football league that directly competes with the NFL. So, the NFL has a complete monopoly and they can manipulate the market and how they see fit, and charge whatever prices because more than likely, sports entertainment probably an inelastic good. Even amidst the recession, some 24 teams raised their ticket prices while the other 8 made no changes. Consumers are not real sensitive to price changes. People are willing to pay heavy money to see a sporting event.

Supporting Evidence: Alex Stats [1] (mlb.mlb.com)
Side: i dont agree!
2 points

You make an excellent argument and earn a vote up from me and hopefully from others.

Side: i dont agree!

These are pretty much the same arguments I use during 'actors are overpaid' debates.

But, I still think that they are overpaid.

Side: i dont agree!
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

From a personal viewpoint, athletes are overpaid. No doubt, but the market views it from a different standpoint.

You didn't make an argument that supports the view "no, they aren't overpaid." You made an argument that their salaries are a natural outcome of the market.

This is similar to if a woman fell off a cliff, we held a debate "Should the woman continue falling" and you said "I don't personally think she should, but gravity allows for and endorses this outcome."

Side: this is ridiculous!

Ridiculous, yes.

The entertianment business and sports industry is unlike any other industry. One reason, the difference is in entertainment and sports is that the people are the product whereas all other industries the product is food, gadgets or cars or whatever else. So, the investment is different because they are investing in human capital more than mechanical capital.

Side: this is ridiculous!
3 points

Yes, working at a plant and dying of an accident is not as important as running two feet to catch a ball.

Side: this is ridiculous!
3 points

I appreciate the way you put this for people because they really don't understand which is more important, the life of someone or a baseball game and a movie!

Side: this is ridiculous!
2 points

Athletes get paid millions and millions complain that doctors, mechanics, plumbers, lawyers, etc. get paid to much; A case of misplaced priorities. When all is not fair, but fair only to a few (athletes). Before the doctor saves your life, tell him he deserves less than a football player.

This reminds me of a quote by Ben Franklin. "If you want to live a long life, never make your doctor your heir."

Side: Insanity
2 points

Sports and art are important in the development of society - BUT artists (including actors and musicians) and atletes should not be the elite money makers they are. This is the problem with unbridled capitalism, entertainment will continue to extort people as long as people are willing to pay. Imagine where we could be if all that money went into education, medicine, alternative energy, pay for soldiers, police or fire personal, etc. Of course, the same could be said for overpaid corporate executives, stock market speculators, etc.

Until we are willing to really regulate the market, money will continue to collect in the pockets of people who aren't really helping to make the world a better place.

Side: Priorities are wrong
2 points

Amazing how some people actually wet themselves when someone scores a goal. These people are getting paid millions to do that. This is their job and they have been training nearly all their lives. So if one manages to actually do their job, you shouldn't get so surprised.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

It is pretty absurd but, it's one of the affects of a free market. What people will pay for will be supplied and, people will pay to watch burly men throw small round pieces of rubber filled with air. I still believe that dealing with overpaid people doing a myriad of pointless tasks getting paid in the millions is still better than the alternative --complete and utter communism.

So yeah... it is ridiculous but it's something that we have to deal with.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

It is ridiculous, but it isn't like I'm giving them money. Other people give money to them by going to the games or buying products that represent/endorse these athletes so that is how they can get their "billions". Humanity is trapped in a cycle of wage slavery so people want to be entertained and not focus on that sad fact. People live vicariously through the people that entertain them because of this, with the constant references of "us" and "we" in conversations about "their" team. I wish people could get behind making the lives of everyone better and taking responsibility for their own lives, like they get behind "their" team.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

Perfect Point, i think people feel that there actually part of the team, so... they decide to give money to them, just for there own selfish entertainment. They should take responsibility for there own lives, instead on trying to make someone else more rich because they want entertainment.

Side: Insanity
1 point

yes it is ridiculous but people clearly let it go on. it is entertainment. plus if you are that good you should be paid the best. like the best scientist/doctor. i know it is not the same context but still it has its own value. people love to watch spots. people pay big bucks to play games.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

The world is a ridiculous and unfair place. Footballers should not be paid as much as they are because many of them do very little. Some people in third-world countries who make the footballs may only ever gain that much money if they worked their whole lives.

Abhorrently ridiculous

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

In my mind, it is. Professional athletes are making too much money in a society where salaries and wages are traditionally based on the value of work. For example teaching. It is one of the most important occupations because our future relies on the education of its youth, yet teachers are paid astronomically less than the average professional athlete is.

I understand that it takes a tremendous amount of time of hard work and dedication every day to earn a job in professional sports, but nevertheless, these people do nothing more than entertain public.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

I've never really liked sports since childhood so this may be a bit biased but here are my views. I'm currently working in the healthcare sector as a nurse. Well it is ridiculous in a sense that an athlete could earn millions while a person who works with life and death on a DAILY basis earn peanuts. I know this world is unfair but sometimes the unfairness are just RIDICULOUS.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

Athletes will struggle to use all their money in a lifetime(unless they go into gambling)! Not only that, athletes only play sports for their entertainment(so its not that much of a hard job for them), and get paid thousands each weak.

So I agree with Former, 'it's ridiculous!'.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

If anyone paid attention to history you'd understand why sports and entertainment pros are being paid ridiculous amounts of money.These entertainment events where created as a tactic to distract the people in ancient Rome.It's called bread and circuses and was very effective as it is today.People need to wake up.Sports and celebrity's seem to be a new religion to a lot of people.Take a good look at the way the world is.Things just seem to be getting worse and worse.I'm not mocking sports and entertainment but I don't think that is that important who wins the Superbowl or who gets a Grammy when the world is on the edge of disaster.

Side: this is ridiculous!
4 points

Isn't it ridiculous how we have a free market system in which the general public buys enough tickets and merchandise and the media pays enough for the rights to broadcast sports events which results in the owners of sports teams having enough money to pay athletes billions of dollars to run with a ball?

Sports fans are obviously insane.

Side: free market system
3 points

Can you do better ? I didn't think so.... its a form of entertainment which has evolved through history. In ancient sports the victor was rewarded with life while the loser wasn't so lucky. Now in a more humane society the prize has become more materialistic and helps the economy. Its natural so stop hating

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
2 points

Well, Sports isn't the only thing that has effected people in history. There has been a amazing increase in the diseases in our history that people are getting and yet theres still no cure?... So, other than people wasting there time by helping these athletes get billions of dollars, when there going to spend it on fancy cars and houses, instead they could be findiing a cure, or helping our enviorment, but yet they insists on waiting to see if "The Eagles" or 'The Giants" will win or whatever, I think that Having a miracle by actually helping our earth or the citizens, who want to make a change, is better than seeing who won the championship and another thing when you think about, there throwing money around to these athletes who don't need much more when theres people who can live if they found a cure, and theres people out there who need money and are struggling to find an education. <---- I think that this was alot better.

Side: this is ridiculous!
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
2 points

Is it more Humane to let people starve paying millions to a few or for one to loss their life using that money for all of mankind?

Side: Insanity
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

If people are losing their lives it's because they didint have enough money to help them, because they give it to the actors, actresses, singers, pop stars, and althetes! For the people who are starving, paying 99 cents a month or even 20 dollars a month, is not going to help at all, there are so many people losing their lives or are struggling to find food and getting an education, i dont really think 99 cents or 20 dollars a month is helping, maybe if it was, 25 million dollars a year (like the celebrities* and althetes get) im sure they would be either alive, healthy, or getting some sort of education!

Side: Insanity
3 points

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. They get paid millions, not billions, doing something very few people can do as well. Also the people they work for profit off their efforts pretty nicely.

High Demand + Limited Resources = High payday

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

Just because there able to do something better, dosent mean they should be getting billions of dollars or even millions (im sure if you add it all together, people would see that they may be getting paid millions , in the end though it turns out to be Billions), and so what if the people they work for get the off their profits, those athletes dont need the other money. Anyone Could Hit a ball with a bat, shoot a ball into a basket, Line-up all fancy and then run and throw a ball at the same time, or pretend on soap operas, and sing infront of alot of people, but not everyone can rise up from an earthquake and go directly to school, or be told they have a bad desease or cancer or even a horrible disablity and expect to be on there way home. But for these athletes they can go home to Shiney new cars And fancy houses with billions and billions of dollars.

Side: this is ridiculous!
SilentSound(117) Disputed
3 points

There is only one athlete who has a net worth of over 1 billion dollars (Tiger Woods) and most of it comes from endorsements not Golf.

Not let me break you argument down

"Anyone Could Hit a ball with a bat"

You are wrong in every way here. Yes, most people can hit a ball with a bat, but can they hit a ball going 95 miles per hour. They have less then a quarter of a second to be able to hit the ball.

"shoot a ball into a basket"

This is a vast over simplification. Something that they make look easy is dunking, but it's harder then you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkyEnPlJUY

"sing infront of alot of people"

You do know that stage fright is the number one phobia right... and you have to be good at singing in order to get millions of dollars.

It's not easy
Side: i dont agree!
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. They get paid millions, not billions, doing something very few people can do as well. Also the people they work for profit off their efforts pretty nicely.

They don't serve much utility to our society, so the money they make becomes squandered. The real focus however should be on how the backers of athletes and artists use them to amass even more wealth than the athletes have. Remember that money isn't simply for buying a living, it is also a form of power, and giving out your money in such high quantities to people gives them power to make political decisions for you.

In other words, is freedom to make millions or even billions of dollars due to a high demand skill worth the political power it bestows, and consequently do the unscrupulous financiers and advertisers of these people deserve the wealth and power to affect society at large?

Side: this is ridiculous!
2 points

many say i think our cops, firemen and soldiers overseas should be paid more than a running back in the NFL. for ethical reason i do not disagree with this.

but from a supply and demand perspective..........i.e Lamborghini or how ever you spell it. is a rare car ( they only make a few hundred each year)..., not to mention...."fast like a nasssscarrr"

NFL players and other sports considering............ have employees who are the biggest.........fastest.........and strongest men in WORLD!!!! NBA players can be a big as 7 foot 5 (Y.ming)..... how many 7 foot people do you know????????

yes, they can act like little bitches sometimes...... but their talent is rare.....and not to disrespect our soldiers abroad....... but any healthy young man with an avg i.q and a set of balls can carry a riffle in combat, from a talent perspective........

there is something like 3 or 4 million u.s. troops on active duty world wide i believe..... don't quote me, but i know its in the millions. but there is only a couple thousand or so men in the NFL and far less in the NBA.

sorry,,,,,, simply

SUPPLY v. DEMAND ppl

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
2 points

I think you saying:

"and not to disrespect our soldiers abroad....... but any healthy young man with an avg i.q and a set of balls can carry a riffle in combat, from a talent perspective........"

Now, that is just uncalled for, they do something for our country, so we can actually do what your doing right now. You have freedom, theres no reason to give them disrespect even though you said "not to disrespect" it wasnt called for. And, another thing millions of young men and women who fight for our country, sadly pass away just so we can have freedom, but No! alot of people believe athletes, actressess, actors, etc. should be paid more.

That ridiculous. There are many people passing away for our country and yet

some still take the side of them being paid less.

And, it does not depend on how rare a person is, a person is a person. It doesnt matter if there 7 feet tall! That doesnt depend on how they should be paid.

Side: this is ridiculous!
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
2 points

Well unfortunately, supply and demand is not the best determining factor for how important an occupation is. Something which is rare but not all that useful or important, in market terms will be considered very valuable, while something which promotes public well-being and being necessary for the stability of a society but is not all that rare, will not be considered very valuable in market terms.

Side: this is ridiculous!
2 points

OH and as far as Billions......... no u.s. athlete has reached billions, plural yet, and i believe only M.J, Tiger, maybe A-rod and Lebron in his next contract......... has ever reached a total wealth of one billion range........not billions. most superstars get one hundred million range.... i.e. p manning.

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

While it certainly has gotten mind blowing in popularity, it entertains people to watch and makes money. The people who play the sport mostly like what they do. It's more good than bad, do it's a good thing. There is not enough wrong with it to say that it's ridiculous.

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

I completely understand this statement but for those people who think that theres nothing too much wrong with it, im sorry to say,thats selfish. also MAKES MONEY!! thats all people are caring about, i care about the lives and where people will be when they grow, i just dont want to see people dying because they have nothing (because we have nothing to them) or i would like our enviorment to be a better area,too. i understand, yes, it entertains people, and we will all be selfish as these things continue and i will still call it ridiculous.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

I don't pay the to watch a ball game but hey if people want to blow their money who am I to stop them. I don't see the fun in watching a guy throw a ball or swing a bat or run but thats just me. When we put regulations on were money can go we give government more power. And to Quote Tom Paine "Government is at it's best a necessary evil".

Edit: Yeah my bad on the quote. I was distracted while typing.

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

Okay, i'm not saying that i have the right to say where the athletes should spend there money i'm just saying, that they should get paid for what they do, but not as much as they are, like that much money can go to people who actually need more, yes they should get paid for what they do, but they absolutley* dont need that much! And a quote from Kelvin Throop: "If people behaved, like the government, you'd call the cops"

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

Thomas Jefferson didn't say "Government even at its best state is a necessary evil.

That was Thomas Paine, Common Sense.

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

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Side: i dont agree!
1 point

Its not ridiculous because the teams pay the athletes according to how much money they bring the team.

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

There still getting paid way to much, i rather see someone create a miracle by saving someones life, the enviorment, or getting someone educatonal needs, other than people throw around money because they can throw hit, run, throw, or catch alittle faster and better than they could.... maybe if the people who need an education, or survivng to live... is more focused on living and learning, other than seeing what football, baseball, basketball, soccer, and any other sport! and even who won the grammy* awards! and it's not ridiculous its insane.

Side: Insanity
sirius(367) Disputed
1 point

Money attracts people. Teams pay athletes as much as they can so they can have the best athletes.

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

for all those who think it's ridiculous

can you match their speed

Side: can you run like them
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

for all those who think it's ridiculous

can you match their speed

What's that have to do with anything?

Some cooks make legendarily delicious lunches, should they be paid in million dollar contracts? Some artists paint or sculpt well beyond what most can do, should they get millions? I could go on. The reason athletes get ludicrous sums of money is that they fill an entertainment niche that appeals to the average man, and it's very competitive.

Side: this is ridiculous!
mitgag(1652) Disputed
1 point

all those who sell their sculptures do earn a lot of money

maybe not millions but not even too less

nw plz go on with that long list of yours

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

Im sure you can't, theres no need to tell other people they cant, because you never know. there just sticking by what the believe is right.

Side: this is ridiculous!
mitgag(1652) Disputed
1 point

Im sure you can't, theres no need to tell other people they cant, because you never know. there just sticking by what the believe is right.

what are you referring to????????? I'm sorry but i didn't get which arguement of mine you are referring to

Side: i dont agree!

It is a simple case of supply and demand if there was no demand there would be no supply. There is millions if not billions of wannabe athletes out there, they work hard, very hard, becoming a successful athlete is grueling work.

The coaches and the owners pick the best because they want to win the leagues, if they want the players bad enough they pay better money than the next team it is as simple as that. Also endorsements from third party companies lead to great increases in their personal wealth.

You can not question the salaries of stars based on environmental and political points. Do governments not spend trillions on endless wars? Are energy companies not making trillions on energy and in the process of trying to monopolies green energy? Shouldn't this money be better spent if it was spread around? Picking on stars of screen and field is missing what is really going on.

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

Okay, yes you have your point and i said "others too", in previous statements. I agree. there is others but in your fist passsage i dont agree with though, they are not getting paid for the ability its how much money they bring in ( thats what is pretty obvious in my view). I think that i can question the salaries upon the stars, because even though they work 5 days a week, when people work for 7 days a week, they should get paid more money. think of it this way, they go to a place to practice, on camera, and what do they say " okay heres your million dollar check, because i blew the whistle or i said "action" or to "sing". <-- i wouldnt doubt it.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

I understand what you mean, i agree to its just that i dont agree with the first sentence. I think from my point of view, that its not always placed on there ability for coaches its how much money they bring in. :)

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

Like someone said in the other section on how they do agree: " working at a plant and dying because of an accident is less important then someone running two feet to catch a ball."

And when you think about it, this is so true. A person died doing its job to help people like you, but all you really wanted to do is watch that movie or go to a sports game.

Also there are people who dont have enough money to live or we cant help the enviorment as much... is because we give it to people because they are going to entertain us, but not help us what so ever, in life... this makes no sense. This is what is called pure selfishness.

Side: i dont agree!
Bubadullah(1) Disputed
1 point

I know I'm late but I'm new to this site haha and I found this debate pretty interesting but You act like it's easy " running with two feet to catch a ball" idk what sports your talking about but have you played football??? Have you seen the risks involved?? The constant brain problems these guys are having as they get into there 50s and 60s??? You act like the players are at fault for this! Most of them play just because they love the game they play and just to entertain us! Not because they wanna get paid! Some do but not all. These players go to extreme lengths Just to satisfy our thirst! These sports are what make us unique man, you can't just jump to conclusion and say, it they're money hungry.. No they the country! They inspire little kids to work hard and stay on the right path to success! I saw an interview and ray lewis of the BALTIMORE RAVENS was PICKED to inspire soldiers before they flew Into Iraq. Some guy says he wears is ray lewis shirt just cause it inspires him. These sports are a way of inspiration not just entertainment and people have to realize that

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

Free markets are very simple, if it didn't pay for someone to pay those salaries, it wouldn't be done. It is done because the market calls for it. If teams lost money, it would end because the market says so.

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

If they lower there prices , more people can go, and the market will still be, vibale.

Side: Insanity
MegaDittos(571) Disputed
1 point

Markets set the prices....... some markets don't need more people especially cheaper people.

If people are paying top dollar, why lower prices to get those with less money at their show?

Side: i dont agree!
1 point

u know, try and run like them with a ball for 1:30 hrs.'

u knw, all males have 2 balls, and running means with them too.

u know, running wtih one =ball sound ridiculous thopugh...

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

I did not Specify wether it was a Girl or A boy, celebrity or athlete.

Side: this is ridiculous!
1 point

I know, dawg. I think it should be equal, though. Like, we NEED sports. Just not to the degree the world takes it.

Side: i dont agree!
heyyyy(35) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean by equal? We really don't need major league sports, and what do you mean bye the degree the world take it?

Side: Insanity

Name one athlete who gets paid billions for "running with a ball".

Side: i dont agree!