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Debate Score:147
Arguments:112
Total Votes:166
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It is Logical to Believe that a God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe.

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Side Score: 76
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No

Side Score: 71
7 points

It is absolutely logical. Considering how difficult it is to construct complex biological life and considering that this universe is just right for its existence, it follows that an intelligent designer is one possible solution to explain this radically unlikely situation [that complex and intelligent biological life exist].

I suppose certain specifically defined Gods can be ruled out - but others cannot. Therefore a God may very well play a role in the universe!

Side: Yes
AveSatanas(4442) Disputed
3 points

It is absolutely logical. Considering how difficult it is to construct complex biological life and considering that this universe is just right for its existence

Nu nu nu nu no. WERE just right for this universe, not the other way around. You think this universe is perfect for us? Dude this PLANET even sucks for us. Go take a trip up to space with no suit and tell me how it goes. Or to a star, or 90% of any other planet in the universe. The moon? Andromeda? The universe is a horrible place for life to exist let alone humans. And the earth is 70% water which we cant live in and even then most of the land is inhabitable either too hot or too cold. And even then id like to see you live out in the woods in a perfectly temperate area with no clothing and just nature to live off of. You would die.

Lifes existence is not because of how perfectly designed the universe is for it, but is an example of the stubbornness of life to try its hardest to emerge in the most desolate of areas dispite such adversity.

it follows that an intelligent designer is one possible solution to explain this radically unlikely situation [that complex and intelligent biological life exist]'

That only follows logically if youre willing to do some pretty wishfull thinking. Sure, its a possibility but a very very unlikely one. And biological life existing is not radically unlikely because, guess what, it happened. And all evidence in all relevant fields of science points to natural processes that caused the emerging and evolution of life on earth and probably in other places.

I suppose certain specifically defined Gods can be ruled out

Like that of christianity? I would agree. It is possible, highly unlikely, but possible that a grand creator may exist. However, it is a massive non sequitur ti then declare that it is the specific God of any religion because there is just absolutely no warrant for that jump in reasoning.

- but others cannot. Therefore a God may very well play a role in the universe!

May is a strong word. i would say, a god kinda might possibly but very unlikely probably not play a role in the universe.

Side: No
Atrag(5574) Disputed
3 points

You seem quite knowledge on this subject. Can you explain to me how even a single large (maybe 300 molecules or so) formed? The chance of it happening is 1 to 10^390 (to get an idea of this figure there is estimated to be 10^82 atoms in the whole observable universe). Its clearly not formed by a chance collision.

Side: Yes
3 points

To propose that a God created the universe is internally consistent. Logic tries to examine whether arguments lead to their proposed conclusions and whether systems of belief are internally consistent. To propose that God created universe is logical.

But the minimal requirement for a belief system is that it is logical, so to conclude Intelligent Design is logical is absolutely elementary. It just an insurance that this position is actually valuable in a discussion. Seriously, it's nothing to brag about, actually it's kind of sad that you would actually ask this question.

Side: Yes
3 points

The Universe is Complex and a simple variable in the nature of gravity for example could cause life as we know it to not exist. Examples of this are a simple change of gravity could cause a radically different universe from the one we know.

For a Good Example the location of Earth and other things is Perfect for life we are in the "Goldilocks's zone" we have active volcanoes and other activity we have the planet Jupiter to deflect asteroids from hitting the earth we have the moon for the tides and the Moon also stabilizes the earth's axis.

Saying that there is no God is the illogical part and for people who say it was the Big Bang and a God Played no part of it does not explain the first cause. Some Atheists will counter and say that does not mean you should Believe in God.

The problem with atheism is that they don't even consider if God exists.

Side: Yes
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

No god is responsible for anything, Ruazenith is responsible for Earth, other Onew are responsible for other parts of our universe. You should look up the science of how illogical your creationist beliefs are.

Side: No
Jc41218(1558) Disputed
4 points

No god is responsible for anything, Ruazenith is responsible for Earth, other Onew are responsible for other parts of our universe. You should look up the science of how illogical your creationist beliefs are.

Is it not illogical for something to happen for no cause?

Side: Yes

If you factor in the specifics that it took to create life, that I often hear had to be just right, and if they were just one protein off that life wouldn't exist. Then yes. Though if you believe it happened the way the bible explained it, then no.

Side: Yes

totally agree, if you take everything into account, it is logical to believe in a god... very well put sir

Side: Yes
lolzors93(3225) Clarified
1 point

Who says that the Biblical creation story is literalistic? Thomas Aquinas said that the days of creation could be metaphorical; this was before the theory of evolution was introduced.

Side: Yes
Quocalimar(6469) Clarified
1 point

Who says that the Biblical creation story is literalistic?

Creationists. Fundamentalists.

Thomas Aquinas said that the days of creation could be metaphorical; this was before the theory of evolution was introduced.

Well my question is, how is an objective reader supposed to know what in the bible is literal (as in "to lie with another Man is an abomination") and what is metaphorical (as in "If you look upon another woman and lust, you have committed adultery, so cut your own eyes out")

Although this isn't the debate for it, I think this is more proof that you should not trust the Bible, you should make your own religious assumptions with the bible as maybe a loose guide.

Side: Yes
1 point

What if the current scientific paradigm is wrong and all things that exist have the capacity for consciousness? What if consciousness (awareness of environment) is what facilitates physical forces in the universe--the driving phenomena that causes bits of matter to accelerate?

This would mean that the universe is conscious and also has the capacity to re-arrange itself. This isn't far-fetched when you realize that humans have this capacity - they are conscious and have control over their physical, material bodies.

If this ability can be extended to the universe, it would make it "God". It would also make the universe more similar to man than previously acknowledged!

If everything is conscious, it would also indicate that God has to exist - in the form of the large-scale universe.

Conscious phenomena in the universe would be directly tied to accelerative forces!

Side: Yes
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

What if the current scientific paradigm is wrong and all things that exist have the capacity for consciousness?

What if the moon is made of cheese, if it is, the only logical thing to do is send staving people there so they don't die.

Consciousness comes from the brain, if it doesn't have a brain, there is no reason to believe it is conscious.

Side: No
Juan_Pablo(66) Disputed
3 points

I disagree.

Cells don't have brains, and they clearly demonstrate awareness of the environment (when they interact with their surroundings). Consciousness doesn't require a brain. To me consciousness seems to be far more universal than most people realize.

Side: Yes
1 point

Everything happens for a reason. .

Side: Yes

For someone who believes in Creationism, the belief would be a logical one.

Side: Yes
3 points

If there was evidence for it then sure. But as of right now there is not a single scientific finding that points to a creator let alone even a god existing. Its all faith based which is essentially illogical.

Side: No
Quocalimar(6469) Disputed
2 points

Faith isn't necessarily illogical. Blind faith is, but a simple level of trust is not. If anything it's more logical to have faith in those with more education and knowledge than yourself, and to believe what they say. That's the way most young atheists have faith in science journals and the sort.

Side: Yes
AveSatanas(4442) Disputed
2 points

Ok ill grant you that there are multiple definitions of faith and a deep trust is one of them. However, when were talking about religion (which we are) it IS blind faith. Total trust in that for which there is no evidence. That is illogical

Side: No
Centifolia(1319) Disputed
2 points

But theres no evidence that he does not exist either

Side: Yes
AveSatanas(4442) Disputed
2 points

Unless you count all of the evidence for natural processes that contradict a god, all rebuttals of holy texts, and all refutations of theological arguments as well as the scientific method and basic common sense. Which I do

Side: No
3 points

Until the statement "a God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe" is supported with premises I consider valid, I shall deem it an illogical statement.

Side: No
Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
3 points

Until you disprove that "a God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe", I shall deem the statement "a God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe" a very logical statement (based upon the evidence for).

Side: Yes
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

I have no interest in disproving the statement to you. I would have just as hard a time disproving the statement that: "the universe has always existed". I will ask you a question about your logic though, that I hope you are kind enough to answer. Since you suppose that an intelligent being created the universe, do you suppose this intelligent being always was, or was this being also created by another intelligent being? My hunch is that the universe expands beyond any individual living being and that it always was. I see no reason to believe the universe was created. Maybe you can help me improve my understanding. I'd sure be grateful if you could.

Side: No
AveSatanas(4442) Disputed
2 points

Do you not know how reasoning and the burden of proof work? youve been on this site long enough. You're defending the positive claim that "A God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe". It is then your job to support that. I can reject that claim and not have to support my stance at all. Doubt is a default position. Im doubting your claim, that other guy is doubting your claim. We dont have to disprove shit. You dont ever see in court the defense having to disprove the persecutions claims 100%. THe persecution must support their positive accusation.

Side: No
riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

Somebody does not comprehend the Burden of Proof one has as a logical obligation in a debate.

Side: No
2 points

How many absurd statements do you want me to say right now that cannot easily be disproven?

You should learn how the burden of proof works.

Side: No
eHamilton(42) Disputed
2 points

Premises you consider valid? Are you the all knowing when it comes to what is valid and invalid?

Side: Yes
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

Yes, or course. It would be silly of me to say a statement is logical without first accepting it's premises. As far as whether I am "the all knowing when it comes to what is valid and invalid", that question made me chuckle. As far as I know, I AM the ultimate authority on what I consider valid and invalid.

I challenge you to figure out, then explain where the implication that I am presenting myself as a know-it-all comes from, because all I do here is share my opinion in hopes of finding a good challenge, and if possible being a good challenge.

Upon further consideration, given the opportunity I would reword my initial argument as:

Until the statement "a God/Intelligent Designer created the Universe" is supported with premises I consider valid, I cannot accept it as logical

HTH

Side: No
2 points

I don't see how everything- being what everything is- could come from a sentient being.

Side: No
Jc41218(1558) Disputed
3 points

I don't see how everything- being what everything is- could come from a sentient being.

I don't see how everything Being what everything is could NOT COME from a sentient being.

Side: Yes
Elvira(3446) Clarified
1 point

We're talking about Everything here~ as in the concept, opposite to nothing. Work it out yourself.

Side: Yes
Jc41218(1558) Disputed
1 point

I don't see how everything- being what everything is- could come from a sentient being. The Big Bang violates so many laws. Ever heard of the Conservation of mass? Ever heard about the Cambrian explosion, the cosmological inflation used to explain the fine-tuning problem has NO EVIDENCE for it. A totally Naturalistic person can not at the moment explain what caused these and other problems. The Truth is I do not see how the whole universe was not made by a God. I believe the God is the Christian God.

Side: Yes
Elvira(3446) Clarified
1 point

I 'believe' in the cyclical theory- with the big crunch as well as the big bang. I 'believe' time is eternal, thus Everything exists. (I 'believe' Nothing also exists, which causes the instability that drives time, and stops the universe from being a steady state)

A Christian is a fine one for waving the 'no evidence' flag. What makes your myth more credible than any other religions? Expansion of the universe (shown by red shift) shows direction- an origin point for an explosion.

Side: Yes
2 points

Us? Maybe. But the entire universe? Nah. I don't think I have the vocabulary this late at night to explain myself, though. So uh. Someone else can do it or something.

Side: No
1 point

This is more than a yes or no answer. Obviously a higher intelligence created our reality. However, to admit that you must also admit that that entity or group that we call God uses "drama" to distract our interactions with one another so much so that we don't unite for common advancements in planetary exploration. Face it, we are so primitive we are still entrapping one another to make money through imprisonment and euphoric substances. That is still rather primitive behavior. So God...is a deviant.

Side: No
1 point

It is not logical. If you look at evolution, it suggests that the simplest beings are exposed to factors such as the environment and mutations caused the complex beings and creatures on this world we know now. This is true of the universe. All these planets were not here with a blink of an eye as it took a long process that started from a very simple particles. If you want to say that god designed this whole process of the universe getting more complex it would be illogical. Thats because, if god did exist why didnt god just create the complex things right from the get go? because god wanted to? no thats not logic as there is no premise for a being to have created this universe.

Side: No
1 point

The ontological argument is a logical argument but then I am not interested in this kind of argument or metaphysics.Epistemology and scientific inquiry that is empirical is my logical approach.

Side: No