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Debate Score:42
Arguments:26
Total Votes:51
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It is hypocritical for a government that condemns killing to use the death penalty.

I agree.

Side Score: 9
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I disagree.

Side Score: 33
1 point

Is it hypocritical for liberals to be intolerant of conservatives, the rich, fetuses and religious people? I mean, isn't their whole platform based on inclusion of all races, and peoples from all walks of life?

Side: I agree.

Absolutely! A Government is in the wrong that condones Capital Punishment.

Side: I agree.

No, it is not hypocritical, unless the death penalty was carried out with out due process of law, which the murder in question lacked. And I say that as someone who opposes the death penalty strongly.

Side: I disagree.
Sitar(3680) Disputed
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We hold these truths to be self evident that all people are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

People have the right to live.

Side: I agree.
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
4 points

How does jailing someone forever not take away their right to pursue happiness?

Side: I disagree.
flewk(1193) Clarified
2 points

Just need to clarify some things.

1) Declaration of Independence is a document written by the US government (sort of).

2) The meaning of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has changed over the years. (Slavery is one example)

3) These rights are guaranteed and protected by the US government apparatus.

4) These rights can be legally revoked by the US government under special circumstances.

5) One of these circumstances happens to be the conviction of a crime.

6) As dictated by US law, liberty can be revoked for certain crimes.

7) As dictated by US law, life can be revoked for certain crimes.

8) Unalienable is a misnomer. They should have put an asterisk next to it.

9) It might interest you to know that your right to vote is also revoked (permanently in some jurisdictions).

Side: I agree.
1 point

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document, and that is one of the weakest arguments against the death penalty. Citizens of the United States have many rights, and a LOT of them are nullified when you are convicted of a serious crime.

Side: I disagree.
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

We hold these truths to be self evident that all people are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Would you be really sweet and answer the following three questions for me sexy ;)

Do you believe criminals have the right to liberty?

Do you believe criminal have the right to the pursuit of happiness?

Do you believe they have a right to life?

Side: I disagree.
1 point

Nope.

Side: I disagree.
1 point

out of curiosity if Hitler Survived World War 2 and was captured do you think he deserves just to get life in prison after being responsible for killing millions of people?

Side: I disagree.

I don't believe that executing an individual convicted of a capital offense after unsuccessfully making whatever possible appeals are available is equivalent enough to premeditated murder to call the actions equivalent and consider the government hypocritical.

Even if they were, I don't believe that the moral stance the government is asserting is "don't kill," and feel that such is a massive over-simplification. I believe the stance codified into law is that an individual not be deprived of 'life, liberty, or property without due process of law.' This is why vigilante justice is not acceptable, even in cases where the 'victim' has almost certainly committed multiple capital offenses, a vigilante killing robs the 'victim' of his or her right to due process. Self defense is considered an exception to the rule. The government could only remotely be said to be hypocritical in the event that they intentionally deprive the condemned of due process- and even then, that isn't 'the government' being hypocritical, it is in fact employees of the government breaking the law.

Side: I disagree.
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A man was sentenced to hang for stealing a horse. He told the judge that he didn't think it was fair that should hang for stealing a horse. The judge replied that he was not being hanged for stealing a horse. He was being hanged so horses wouldn't be stolen.

It is a sad fact of life that criminals no longer fear the law. That is the problem with our society.

Side: I disagree.
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The death penalty has never been proven to have any effect as a deterrent.

Edit: Additionally, violent crime is at a historic low, so how do you figure that criminals no longer fear the law?

Side: I agree.
1 point

typical Dana Stops replying when points she can't counter are made.

Side: I disagree.