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There's still a chance. Religion is all lies.
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It is pointless to argue against religion. It has been proven wrong.

Is religion worth arguing, or is it so completely wrong that it isn't even worth thinking about?

 

There is no proof whatsoever for religion, as I have observed countless times on this site, any sort of physical evidence someone brings up is always shown to be fake, all religious arguments are beaten with logic and reason and religion itself, even if true, only harms society.

 

Is there a point to arguing it, besides trying to de-brainwash people, or is it a dead-end subject that religious people will keep believing in, no matter if they are right or wrong?

Is there a chance religion or spirituality might be a valid or right answer? Or is atheism and a secular outlook on life simply the way the universe actually is?

There's still a chance.

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Religion is all lies.

Side Score: 113
5 points

How can you prove religion to be wrong?

Side: There's still a chance.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
4 points

You might not have noticed, but most arguments on here end with atheists using logic and evidence to defeat religious based arguments, because religious arguments have no evidence that their god is real.

In the end though, the only way to know is to see god.

Because it is impossible to see god "UNTIL YOU DIE" and because logic has defeated all arguments, such as "Who made god?"

You can say god is eternal, but that would only be based on text or a made up conclusion, not any real evidence, so there is no evidence and all logic has to rely on made up arguments based on whichever religion's holy book I would be debating. Already at that point I cannot take them seriously. Well, who made unicorns? Well, they've always existed. That's why we don't see them in the ecosystem, there is just one of them that never dies and no one ever sees. Well, that's great, but how do you know?

And because you cannot know, I would deem that unicorn or god to not exist. That is only ONE argument, and there are many others that can handle any sort of religious idea. All that versus your entire holy book, which is filled with violence "God floods the land and kills his creation because he thinks it's bad". Well, ok? That's unrealistic mythology and it's very violent. Even if your god WAS somehow real, I am sure heaven would be hell, if it's a paradise to that god.

Buy yes, if you were to read arguments and actually consider them and use logic, rather than strong emotional feelings, then you would see deeper into the beauty of the world and the universe and start not seeing your god, wherever he is.

That is how I can prove religion is unjustified. There is no reason to believe unless you already believe or are terrified of death, or need an all powerful being to instruct you in life. "Go forth and multiply". If you can think for yourself and handle death, even if it is a bit less "heavenly" then you can quickly see why religions cannot be true.

If it is true, it matters little in this argument. As long as I live, it is safe to assume the supernatural will not affect me in any way, except those who take away rights like gay marriage, or slavery a few years back, not letting women vote because they are to be subservient to men and other things like that which to me are absurd, and might be to you too, but back then they DID justify doing that with their religion, mainly Christianity.

Even if it was real, you think I would respect a god that lets people kill others in its name?

Religion is wrong because as long as I live, I no longer expect any evidence to show up that would prove me wrong. Once, I had argued on this website with the idea that I could be proven wrong, that maybe I was missing something, but after many arguments and seeing what theists resort to when an argument goes badly "You'll burn in hell! Be afraid and believe what I do or you'll burn!" I have deemed religion to be completely violent and harmful to society, impossible to prove, meaning anyone can make up any religion, such as Mormonism, Scientology or anything and people will still believe it, and the fact that religion is unrealistic. It would be nice if real, but I do not think some people will gain immortality and paradise simply for believing strongly in a certain religion, rather than another religion, and those who don't will gain immortality and suffer for all eternity.

That is just silly, so I would say it is proven wrong, enough to mock it without worrying about incurring the wrath of a god.

Side: Religion is all lies.
Axmeister(4320) Disputed
4 points

Your whole argument (like so many other atheists on this site) revolves around generalizations of religious people and a dangerously stereotypical view on them.

You equate God to unicorns, claim that the ability to use logic is only gained through strong atheism and that there is no evidence for Christianity while the whole of science solely supports evolution.

The most irritating thing I find about this, is that the majority of atheists just churn out the same arguments over and over, so though you have spent a substantial amount of time writing a fairly long and well written argument, it contains exactly the same substance of those on this site who are unable to use capital letters or click the spell check button.

Side: There's still a chance.
1 point

And see this argument? You will rationalize what I said. You will not become an atheist, because despite the fact that everything I just said was true, you will still believe. Why? Well, if you had a good reason I wouldn't be an atheist.

"baby-duck syndrome" or something. New ideas are painful, especially ones based around the fundamental nature of reality.

However, as we can see, logic is logic for a good reason, and if you don't respect logic, then what in the world are you going to do in life? Just wait until you die so you can receive your reward, oppressing everyone who challenges you or does something you don't like? Oh well.

Side: Religion is all lies.
3 points

Golly, what an uneducated proclamation. Using the broadest possible definition, every proposition that falls under the "religious" banner--despite being supported primarily by faith among proponents (meaning rational argument as a means of mind-changing in particular is usually futile, as god is generally said to be found through love, not reason)--warrants individual evaluation. Disregarding the fact that those are potentially infinite, religion itself is so deeply ingrained in our culture, so indelibly intertwined with philosophy that for it to have been "proven wrong" would have implications far beyond I think the scope of your, my or anyone else's vision can reach. Shit, what a bad subject to issue categorical conjecture on. Wow.

Side: There's still a chance.
1 point

Well religion itself is a thing of conjecture; is it really so bad to issue categorical conjecture on something like that?

Side: Religion is all lies.
Assface(406) Disputed
2 points

Unless you're incapable of arguing non-facetiously, yes. And you should probably learn to argue non-facetiously if you want to argue correctly.

Side: There's still a chance.
1 point

I agree. What my point is, should I personally continue to think about religion as a valid idea, or should I move on in life and forget about religion and try to ignore it as best as I can? Is there a decent chance it is true, or is it the sort of thing I should simply forget about and live my life without fear of an angry god? Should I continue debating religion or is it a dead-end subject with no evidence and no reason to believe it?

Is the supernatural completely disproved with logic and reason, or could I still be wrong?

Side: Religion is all lies.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It's beyond the scope of anyone's reach. You cannot ever know that a religion is correct, and based on logical arguments and evidence, there is no reason why any religion should be correct.

The universe and world appear to work based on natural functions and physics, not gods breathing life into sand or turtles that support the universe on their back. There is no evidence for religion, but there is evidence for natural processes that can make current religions pointless. The Big Bang and associated ideas can account for why the universe exists, and gravity can help us know why planets form, the Urey-Miller experiment helps us to know how over millions of years, basic elements can form amino acids, which can lead to life, and evolution explains how that life forms into complex species.

It is more complex than religion, but it is based on real evidence that I can prove, as long as one's mind is open. A creationist will deny this, but that's exactly it. They will ignore evidence and base their views on faith MINUS real evidence.

Even if religion is right, it is right for the wrong reasons. There is no reason to consider any religion to be true. They all appear to be invented by humans, so there is no reason at this point to respect them as valid and tenable ideas.

Side: Religion is all lies.

where has religion been proven wrong, disproving Christianity or any other religion does not disprove religion, that is just stupid, you cant even prove atheism

Side: There's still a chance.
AveSatanas(4433) Disputed
2 points

Mountains of evidence against christianity exists, but they are often ignorant and either make excuses for them (which never really disprove them) or ignore them completely. I honestly think christianity has been proven wrong due to huge amounts of evidence. i mean TONS of it. And you dont "prove" athiesm right. Athiesm is the result when you prove religion wrong.

Side: Religion is all lies.
2 points

I am agnostic, which means I think there is a possibility for everything, until someone proves it wrong.

Even religion. Like you said yourself, there is no evidence of religion existing or not existing, so why can't atheists live with the fact, that some believe, and religious people live with that some don't?

I say we quit this discussion, because it IS a dead end until someone proves the other one wrong. And really, I don't see what good it is gonna do, if someone manages to prove the other one wrong.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

I agree, anything in the world could be true.

However, you are not gay, right? So you don't exactly feel that oppression caused by religion that many people do feel.

You were never an african slave either, a marked descendent of the murderer Cain.

However, you are a women, but you are lucky to have been born now, rather than back when women were not allowed to vote, due to the Bible saying women are to be subservient to men.

Yet, religion is not just an idea that can be argued either way. I would not even bother arguing it if it was only a belief system with no negative real world effects.

Instead, people use this unprovable idea to oppress others and cause war and instill fear and obedience in people, and that is not something I support.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

Of course, I agree.

I am although not against religion itself, I am against people having opinions they shouldn't have, like not letting a man marry a man.

Some would call me disrespectful of other's opinions by saying that - but seriously, I can't respect all opinions. I would never respect a man, who's opinion was, that if all jews were dead, all world problems were over. I can't respect such an opinion, neither can I respect opinions where people say that homosexuality is unnatural.

I don't know if I went totally out of the subject there, but my point was, that I think you're right when you say, that religion has very bad affects, but we shouldn't fight religion, we should fight the people.

Because there are religious people, with decent modern opinions.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

As an Agnostic Atheist, while I disagree with the ideas of religion, I do not disagree with the ideals. The Bible, Qu'ran, or any other religious texts lack credibility merely by disagreeing with each other on any possible "fact". However, Religion, especially Christianity and Catholicism as I have experienced, are beneficial in terms of teaching morals and ethics. I feel that if we could remove the link that has been forged between religion and morality, we could move forward in society.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

There's no telling what's behind the veil until you look behind the veil. Simple as that to me, really.

Do I think making pretty narrow claims about what -is- behind the metaphorical veil is a good thing? Nope. Science tends to figure things out better and more accurately than fairy-tales.

Unless you guys still believe that Zeus is the source of thunder and that maggots spontaneously spawn in rotten meat just 'cuz.

Honestly. Has anyone ever pointed that out? A lot of the notions we had about the world 'back then' have been disputed and proven wrong. Does anyone here still believe the world is flat?

Are you noticing a trend? We are good at getting shit wrong until someone comes along to put in the actual work to make it right by proving it right.

See, ideas with little to no evidence that are ancient are usually pretty fucking wrong. So religion is stupid because it's audacious.

Right. I'm rambling. I only come here late at night apparently.

Side: There's still a chance.
1 point

I am sorry but atheism is a hard method to convert people. The fasting growing communities is mormons and islam (whihc used to be first) people are not looking at atheism because they are simply not interested. Sure this site may have many atheists but compared to the worldwide population its just another category. Even if one is able to prove religion wrong who is going to look at what the media has crafted, "the way life is." There is a lot of optimistic people who prefer religion which has brought people together but in division of different types of religion. And if everyone was atheist, people would fight about ethnicty and what is the best type of atheist. So the fact of having atheism as a way to end religious conflicts won't do anything. Personally, I am not saying this to defend religion but just making logic.

If this man who has the documents to prove religion wrong and went on the news to prove it many people would respond by, "well, he has the answers but how could that be true if so many people believe in ____." Or so some people respond, "He has the answers so I am going with him. Wait a second.... That is just one person!" I'll just make this in a nutshell, it takes a lot to bring down a fortress. You gonna need a lot of firepower to bring it down and atheism needs to grow more to finally end the religion argument. There is only one nation which has a stastical balance amount of belief in god, spirite, or nothing at all, which is France. Estonia, Czech, and Sweden believe more in a spirite than god but either or its still not atheism.

Side: There's still a chance.
Emperor(1348) Clarified
2 points

Oh no, I don't mean the argument. I KNOW that religion is gonna be around for awhile.

But as far as the logic and evidence goes, is an atheist completely justified and essentially correct when they say there is no reason to believe in the existence of a god?

Is there a chance that atheists will ever be proven wrong, or is atheism how the world and reality really is? Godless completely.

Side: There's still a chance.
zephyr20x6(2385) Disputed
1 point

And if everyone was atheist, people would fight about ethnicty and what is the best type of atheist.

I don't think so because atheists don't believe in anything, the reason there is conflict is because there are different beliefs, the term atheist wouldn't exist if theism never existed, and you can't fight about non-beliefs. I see your point though that people will always have conflict with each other, like ethnicity, sexual orientation, and etc, but these will have nothing to do with atheism itself. It would be more accurate to say people will be arguing about who's the best person. It's not like anyone is going to say "my lack of belief makes more sense than your lack of belief" because a lack of belief doesn't need justification or an argument behind, every atheist has the reason for not believing in a god, and that is there isn't a reason to believe in a god.

There really is no variation when it comes to lacking beliefs in god, the only way I can see atheists arguing with each other over atheism would be gnostic atheists v.s. agnostic atheists, which I think the percentage i would guess would be 99% agnostic v.s. 1% gnostic, which even then that would most likely die down because the difference in percentages and because arguing over weather or not there is proof god doesn't exist would be a nitpicking argument that most people wouldn't care about, AND any gnostic atheists wouldn't be so attached to their way of thinking compared to the religious to the point they would admit defeat to the agnostic atheist a lot faster than the stubborn theists.

Side: Religion is all lies.
1 point

Yes, I think fights and arguments at that point will be completely harmless and friendly.

Right now, religion does separate people in HUGE ways.

Religious people think I will go to hell for being atheist, that gays to hell for being gay, that people of other religions will go to hell for having their religion, then they have all the other problems like war justification and other social issues...

It would eliminate terrorism in the form of religion, and without religion, why does a holy land matter?

Why do you need oil if you are working for science without the thought that God will save the land from pollution? Thorium fuel could be used without pollution problems, perhaps, and although religion doesn't hold it back really, if people wanted something to fill their life with, instead of religion, you'd get people going into and spending money on things that are actually important, like building farms in third world countries or energy that doesn't kill the earth.

But all that aside, the point is that without religion, the world would mostly be a better place, better enough to dislike religion and argue it on a debate site.

Side: Religion is all lies.
1 point

Why do you think their is a section in Christianity called apologetic? Apologetic means defending the faith.

Actually Christianity has been proved that is what correct because of the vast amount of archaeological evidence that archaeologists have found related to the Bible and they even archaeologists found evidence to prove that the Bible was true and scientists.

Side: There's still a chance.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
2 points

No they didn't.

They actually found the opposite. Fossils prove that humans came from Africa, near Asia, as predicted by evolution. They DIDN'T come from Eden, wherever Eden was supposed to be. Middle-East, I think.

So right away, you have that wrong.

Not only that...well, I'm sure I've said all this before. You are just ignoring it because you don't care about the truth.

You're just a damned christian, forced into a hell of believing mindless dogma and bullshit.

Side: Religion is all lies.
Srom(12207) Disputed
1 point

No they didn't.

Yes they did because they found people, places, and buildings related to the Bible. For example no one thought King Herod was a real king but they found real coins bearing his name on it and such a king in fact did exist.

They actually found the opposite. Fossils prove that humans came from Africa, near Asia, as predicted by evolution. They DIDN'T come from Eden, wherever Eden was supposed to be. Middle-East, I think.

The Garden of Eden was suppose to be by the Euphrates River.

Not only that...well, I'm sure I've said all this before. You are just ignoring it because you don't care about the truth.

Why am I writing back to you then if you say I am ignoring you? Ignoring you would mean not even replying back to your argument. Correct? You think I don't care about the truth?

In my definition God says you are lost! I have found the Truth and the Truth can set you free of all that delusional things and your lack of belief in God.

You're just a damned christian, forced into a hell of believing mindless dogma and bullshit.

I could say the exact same thing to you but I choose not to because I am suppose to love one another. Do you think I want you to go to hell? No! I want you to be saved and get into heaven but its not my choice its yours but if you continue to be an atheist then your are hopeless and considered lost and I can't help you anymore and let God deal with you when you die, but if you are going to be atheist for the rest of your life then I guess you can say that your going to hell.

Side: There's still a chance.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Why do you think their is a section in Christianity called apologetic? Apologetic means defending the faith.

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Why do I think? Because Christianity is a useful tool to control people. You think you're free?

To me, it looks like you're the slave of a false religion and a false god, obeying strange commands that were written by people who wanted power over fools.

Side: Religion is all lies.
Srom(12207) Disputed
2 points

Why do I think? Because Christianity is a useful tool to control people. You think you're free?

Christianity doesn't control anyone. We just follow God's teaching for what He gave to us. We have a choice to believe it or despise it. Yes in fact I am free, free of the slave of sin and knowing full well I am no longer dead in my sins but I am a born again Christian who know I can ask God to forgive me of my sins and He will do it.

To me, it looks like you're the slave of a false religion and a false god, obeying strange commands that were written by people who wanted power over fools.

Again its up to the person to believe in it. If we were slaves of Christianity wouldn't God command us to do more things that what He already said He wanted us to do and ask us to do it? No, He hasn't added more things then what He has already said to do.

Side: There's still a chance.
Assface(406) Clarified
1 point

Your arguing style embodies every unflattering stereotype about Atheists. Bad job.

Side: There's still a chance.
AveSatanas(4433) Disputed
1 point

No they found huge amounts of archeological evidence AGAINST the bible. Its no mystery that a few people and places existed that were talked about in the bible. Also, does the fact that these people or places existed prove the whole bible is true? absolutely not. Neither do they prove that anything written about the people or places is necessarily true, such as things they did, or what events happened in those places. Most bible scholars, historians, and archeologists will agree that most of the bible is untrue. It's basically a faction: a piece of fictional literature based on or containing some real locations or characters.

For example, its no mystery that Jerusalem exists. But that doesn't prove that jesus walked on water. Get it?

Side: Religion is all lies.
1 point

Yes, that's exactly what I said too. Of course the Bible isn't 100% untrue.

I mean Harry Potter takes place in England. Does that mean Hogwarts is really a wizard school up in Scotland?

Of course not. Even though there is map of the London Underground on a scar on Dumbledore's knee, even though the Underground is a real place, I don't think Dumbledore is real.

It's the same with religion. Of course some details coincide with reality, but the supernatural bits? I've never SEEN a man walk on water (actually I have, but he had special shoes on), so I would not assume it actually happened.

Side: Religion is all lies.

It seems to be an endless debate. If someone is a Believer or someone is a non-Believer, they will be stubborn with their beliefs.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

Well atheism has been growing within the last few years, and from what I have observed I think there has been a correlation of more argument, the more we express ourselves, the bigger it grows, inch by inch. Anyways I always think the same thing, but it is soooo fun to argue something that I can always win XD, maybe some can see that as kind of pathetic, however it's all for shits and giggles and i'm sortive an enthusiast, and who knows, maybe I can get someone to at least question there beliefs (which if not convinces them will force them to have more moderation) and that's worth it to me.

Side: Religion is all lies.
4 points

I agree. I mean, I used to believe it, so it's not like it's the same as believing in the concept of Huipiornoandfon which I just made up now. There is ancient legend to religion, which makes it interesting to think about.

Even believing that legend, as someone here called Birggy wisely said "Stories to be believed in" is interesting. The concept that it's "sorta" true, in the sense that it's just a legend makes it fun.

But then you get some people who actually think that biblical prophecy and mythology trumps science and evidence and it almost feels like they're lying or insane. Their arguments are weak, but how they state them is so incredibly strong, you'd think they'd have some sort of strong evidence for the issue.

But they don't! That's the strangest thing, that even though they have so much faith, they can't prove it.

It's like, maybe it's something I'm missing, but then I remember that I was religious too once, and I believed just as strongly as they did for absolutely no reason.

So it would appear that there isn't some divine voice whispering truth to them, except among the insane, who could include religious terrorists, people who shoot up abortion clinics, people who bully or murder gay or transgender people and other religious nuts who do nutty stuff.

It is horrifying, but their ideas have been proven on here to NOT be valid ideas. They don't seem to even be worth thinking about. They are completely wrong with no basis in reality whatsoever.

Side: Religion is all lies.
4 points

agree. I mean, I used to believe it, so it's not like it's the same as believing in the concept of Huipiornoandfon which I just made up now. There is ancient legend to religion, which makes it interesting to think about.

Even believing that legend, as someone here called Birggy wisely said "Stories to be believed in" is interesting. The concept that it's "sorta" true, in the sense that it's just a legend makes it fun. But then you get some people who actually think that biblical prophecy and mythology trumps science and evidence and it almost feels like they're lying or insane. Their arguments are weak, but how they state them is so incredibly strong, you'd think they'd have some sort of strong evidence for the issue.

But they don't! That's the strangest thing, that even though they have so much faith, they can't prove it.

It's like, maybe it's something I'm missing, but then I remember that I was religious too once, and I believed just as strongly as they did for absolutely no reason.

So it would appear that there isn't some divine voice whispering truth to them, except among the insane, who could include religious terrorists, people who shoot up abortion clinics, people who bully or murder gay or transgender people and other religious nuts who do nutty stuff.

It is horrifying, but their ideas have been proven on here to NOT be valid ideas. They don't seem to even be worth thinking about. They are completely wrong with no basis in reality whatsoever.

yeah I know what you mean, it is easier to believe in a legend than it is to believe something made up on the spot, I was always atheistic when I was little, just didn't conciously think about it, as I got a little older I got into spirituality a little bit and became just an agnostic (which still technically meant I was atheist but it meaning i didn't like to think of myself as a non-believer or a believer) and had different ideas how god plays into reality, then I got a little older and I happened to come across someone expressing their opinion on religion and how unrealistic it was and all of a sudden I could relate like deep down in me I never really believed in it, even when i did play with the idea I guess. I searched up more videos and I was starting to conciously realize how much B.S. religion is and how much i didn't really believe it although I had a desire to meet others like me and not feel alone in it which caused me to search for others that were a bit like enthusiasts, which is probably what makes me a little bit of an enthusiast.

Religion is a legend and a story that's been around for, well forever and I think that makes a big difference as I'll quote the charismatic yet horrible Hitler "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed" and thus I am convinced religion and god has simply been ingrained into society over the years, its a ridiculous myth that has gotten so far to be sociably acceptable in primitive times when we weren't as rational and therefore we enter an age of reason yet can't cast out religion because it is too ingrained into society.

Side: Religion is all lies.
2 points

Of course it is! Any person who gets their morals from a book of beliefs is obviously a cretin! I am not going to go through all the obvious contradictions in it, and how many incredible stories there are e.t.c. All I am saying is, when ever you point out a fault in someones religion. Instead of arguing back by correcting that, they just say something unmeaningful and they're satisfied with that! Not once have I pointed out something wrong with religion and have been corrected! All the wars, unfairness throughout the land, over population, (possible) global warming, other religions, racism e.t.c. Are all major problemo's but the only thing a 'Christian' can reply is "it is Gods will" or "if there was no suffering we wouldn't have free will." Which is just complete.... Well, you know!

Side: Religion is all lies.
2 points

I agree completely.

I just finished typing a long argument to someone who said "I don't feel like replying to your typical atheist logic and subtle insults".

Well, if I hadn't been told I would burn and suffer forever for not believing exactly what they do, perhaps I would be more kind.

I ask why I will burn and suffer forever for not believing what they do and they say GOD WILLS IT. Or the more insane "God doesn't send people to hell, people send themselves to hell!" As if that proved a god.

The problem is that god is unprovable. OR IS HE?

No, a god is NOT unprovable. I have already said a dramatic and godly extraordinary miracle that all could see would convince me. God appearing before me and others would convince me.

To simply twist data and real life events and evidence around to suit your religion won't convince me. I already know the evidence and see how it fits in to support evolution and the big bang, MUCH better than ....creationism. Which at this point appears almost to be a mental illness, doesn't it?

"Believe me or you'll burn forever" Believe what? "MY GOD AND NONE OF THE OTHERS."

Why? "BECAUSE THE BIBLE"

....yeah.

Side: Religion is all lies.
1 point

:) Exactly... Eeeeeexaaactly!

Side: Religion is all lies.
mmacfarlane(1) Disputed
1 point

where is it that morals come from? why is it that they differ through out the world and among societies? A book of beliefs is exactly where morals came from. Religion is what set basic concept of morals. where did you think the concept of "freedom by virtue of being human" came from? or " we should above, above all else, love on another"? If a god or some sort of higher power did not exist who is really to say what is moral and immoral? if we are all equals who is a peer to say something is wrong? why are they're beliefs or convictions superior? "if there was no suffering we wouldn't have free will." actually has truth to it. It is impossible to expect people to always to make the right, decent, or even comprehensible choices all the time in every situation they are given. Suffering ,excluding the suffering brought by natural causes like disease which is by no means the majority of suffering that occurs, is brought about by humans and choices. People are never forced to commit wrong.(or whatever is perceived as wrong depending on what the ethical arena is). fathers chose to abandon their children, dictators chose to keep the wealth out the hands of the people, people chose to deny rights to other people. if people were forced to do the "right" thing all the time, or forced act in accordance to certain morals or ideas, the fact that they are "forced" to do it would eliminate their free will.

Side: There's still a chance.
2 points

Based on philosophic and scientific argument over the past few hundred years, I think religion has been completely shown up as false, as man-made (and male-made specifically), and as revolting (think vicarious redemption).

Intellectually, It is clear that the battle has been won by the non-believers, and it has been that way for a long time.

However, politically, the secular movement is a dwindling minority which I fear will be defeated by the forces of theocracy, therefore this is where the war has yet to be won. Just look at the Middle East, those of you who wish to see a world run by religion. Look at how hard it is becoming, even in secular America, to critisise religion, and Islam specifically. Look at how a cartoonist in a tiny secular country in Northern Europe can be sentenced to death by mullahs thousands of miles away.

The battle is far from over, and as much as we would like to give up, it is our duty to stand up to religious bullying and intimidation, and resist it while we still can, and before our right to complain is taken away by the religious.

Side: Religion is all lies.
2 points

The existance of Tectonic Plates and their movement was very much frowned upon in the 19th century. It was believed 'not to exist'.

And what do you know? One hundred (give or take) years later;

"Oh, well, sorry about all that. You were right..."

Personally I am a Christian and I believe that 'all those lies' are perfectly believable.

Side: Religion is all lies.
1 point

Alfred Wegener in 1915 was the man who first proposed "continental drift" as an explanation for why the continents appeared to fit together so 'perfectly'. The reason why his idea was so controversial was because he didn't have an explanation for why they drifted, all he had was observational evidence. Wegener's theory of "continental drift" was ultimately disproven. It wasn't until the 1960s that geologists had enough evidence to come up with the idea of plate tectonics that explained it happened, what evidence it had, and so on.

Now that you've finished plate tectonics 101, we can move on. Plate tectonics were not believed to "not exist", there was no concept of them. When Wegener proposed his theory, all he had was observational evidence. He had no explanation for how it happened. This is why his theory was rejected.

Nothing can be 100% proven to not exist. But, things can be shown to be hideously unlikely to have happened or existed. In this case, some of the ludicrous claims that the bible makes are hideously unlikely to be true, including god's existence. Talking snakes, virgin birth, Moses separating the Red Sea, Jesus being resurrected, etc.

If you are fine with scientists saying that nothing can be proven to not exist, but that things can be shown to be extremely unlikely to exist or be true, then why are you comfortable believing in something that is insanely unlikely to be true?

To have faith in religion/the bible/god is to have faith in absurdity at this point.

Side: Religion is all lies.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
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The largest bit you left out is how violent and detrimental religion is to society. If these absurd beliefs were very good and helped humanity and united all people, I would support them, but they do not do this. They divide people and cast some people as "hell goers", to be converted or looked down on.

An absurd belief is not always bad, but a harmful absurd belief is something to be avoided.

Side: There's still a chance.
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We have proved that the earth was made over thousands of years NOT over 7 days. We are closer than ever to finding the missing link and science has proof that their theory is somewhat proven. All religion does is say "explain how the Earth was made then if there isn't a god" then the atheist or godless person says that "the Big Bang made everything and evolution made us and over millions of years the earth formed" then the religious person will say that god did that and will walk away.

Side: Religion is all lies.