If a couple is in the process and she never says anything until the very end, which is that she didn't want to have sex. This is actually what happens with women who try and get back at their boyfriends or ex's: they don't say anything and then call for rape charges. Who determines if someone has given consent? It can work any way one looks at it.

Lets say that a male dog starts humping a woman. Is it wrong for her to just stay there and let the dog just keep going even if there is penetration? The dog clearly chose in this situation.

Also, they would probably punish the dog if it killed someone.

No their not their not, their really not much different to heterosexual acts.

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This is just dull, I will grind through your arguments, and finally you'll see I'm right. One note first: you claim I know nothing about science. I am a college post - grad, currently doing research on combinatorial projective geometry. This is a pioneer field in science. I know the maths of statistics, and can backup any of my statistical claims. I know formal logic systems, not just first order predicate logic. If you want to discuss any of that, be my guest.

1. You claim that you have something to do with science, but your approach is absolutely non - scientific. If we want to seriously investigate this subject, we should not use words like "child". There is a big difference between pre - puberty, and puberty age.

1.1. My personally experience tells me, that I' d never had any urge to see a girl naked, when I was a child. Yes, I'd heard that it was somehow interesting, from other boys, but that's a learned experience. One boy told be how people have sex, and suggested I do it with some girl. The embarrassing truth is, I really tried doing it with another girl, who was a relative of mine - I was a child and understood nothing about it. Well, we tried it, but of course nothing happened, and I remember thinking that I had no idea what the hell was so interesting about it. As a child, I was completely asexual, and even pressing the ^%# against a girls %$#%$ meant absolutely nothing to me. It was quickly forgotten, only to be remembered much later, as an embarrassing incident.

1.2. Puberty was a completely different story. Of course, there were all those things that you mentioned in your argument. I remember, when I was 11 or 12, one day I suddenly realized that girls' asses were interesting to me. These were the same girls from my class, but my perception of them had changed. Of course, I wanted to see girls naked, and I watched pornography. But I cannot recall one instance, of being somehow physically attracted to a boy. I hadn't heard about any boys at school, or anywhere, who had this attraction - and it's not because such boys would be stigmatized in any way. Gay stigma in my country was a reality at a much older age, and anyway such people were mainly just neglected, not attacked. In fact, in my class there was a "homosexual club" - but that was just for making fun, boys were using this topic to make themselves laugh. Those boys would certainly not start preying on a gay boy, if there ever was one, they would most likely just be surprised and scared of him.

1.3. There were actually two boys at my summer camp, who I knew were masturbating together. But I also knew they both were dreaming of having sex with women, they often shared it with the other boys. So this was just a sexual replacement caused by high hormone levels, and absence of any opportunity to satisfy their heterosexual urges. I still know one of them, he grew up completely heterosexual. And the scientific fact is, that 60% of all people have had their first sexual experience (masturbation), with members of the same sex. That in no way means they were gay, it's just a combination of teenage stupidity, and sexual urge.

2. I, too, used to have a crush on a girl when I was a child, and not once. But that was romantic, not sexual attraction. I have never know or heard of a boy, who was in "love" with another boy. Is my personal experience a credible source of information? Yes, because it is a fact that children are very curious, and so were all my childhood friends and acquaintances. Gossip spread at an incredible speed in our world. If there was but a chance that some boy was in "love" with another boy, believe me, I, and everyone else, would have known it. And during my childhood and teen years, I had attended three different schools.

3. This all just confirms what I've said: sexual attraction between males and females is natural. It starts at puberty, when the hormones begin to affect our perception and behavior. But there is no natural mechanism of sexual attraction between same sex people. There can be a combination of psychological features, and environment, that leads to choosing the homosexual path. Once this is done, the hormonal structure and nervous system become affected, and an addiction is formed. Initially, this is not natural , but learned behavior. The human body is indeed capable of operating in different modes. But that does not mean that all of them are healthy.

ME: If you believe in energy, it is driven by chakra interaction.

-facepalm- Obviously Homognomes sneak gay thoughts into children's heads while they are sleeping.

First: since it's impossible to facepalm across the internet, I assume that you're facepalming yourself

Second: I have seen miracles done, by people who use energy, and heal others. There is no joke here. People were healed, when ordinary medicine was completely helpless.

Also, I have had some acquaintance with Philippine healers. I actually filmed some of their operations at close range, there was no chance of them cheating in any way.

I am acquainted with science well enough, to know that it cannot explain everything.

Who are you to decide what a loving committed couple can and cannot do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Who are you to enforce your antigay bigotry on other people? How would you like it if I told you what you could and could not do in your private life? There is not one single damn thing wrong with being gay and acting on it, as long as only consenting adults are involved. If I meet someone and we want to get married, that is our right as long as we are not hurting anyone. What I do is between God, myself, and any potential partner. I am not trying to screw anything that moves. I am looking for someone to spend the rest of my life with, be they man or woman, and that is my right.