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 It's funny how President Trump can be called prolife when he opposes healthcare rights. (55)

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It's funny how President Trump can be called prolife when he opposes healthcare rights.

Healthcare is prolife, duh.
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So show us Trump being "anti healthcare rights".

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"The Trump administration plans to shut down the federal health insurance exchange for 12 hours during all but one Sunday in the upcoming Obamacare open enrollment season."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/22/news/economy/obamacare-open-enrollment/index.html

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"President Trump will scrap subsidies to health insurance companies that help pay out-of-pocket costs of low-income people, the White House said late Thursday. His plans were disclosed hours after the president ordered potentially sweeping changes in the nation’s insurance system, including sales of cheaper policies with fewer benefits and fewer protections for consumers."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/politics/trump-obamacare-executive-order-health-insurance.html

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"the advertising budget for the open enrollment period that starts in November would be cut to $10 million, compared with $100 million spent by the Obama administration last year, a drop of 90 percent. Additionally, grants to about 100 nonprofit groups, known as navigators, that help people enroll in health plans offered by the insurance marketplaces will be cut to a total of $36 million, from about $63 million."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/health/affordable-care-act-trump-spending.html

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"Under the Obama administration, the health department’s website contained information to help consumers learn about the Affordable Care Act and how to obtain coverage through the health insurance marketplaces. Much of that information is now gone. Some was removed within hours of President Trump’s inauguration."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/04/us/hhs-anti-obamacare-campaign.html?mcubz=0

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Probably because Obamacare was expected to vanish, but McCain the RINO gave an unexpected thumbs down because he hates Trump.

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"Among the biggest targets are the National Institutes of Health, which would see their budgets cut by $5.8 billion to $25.9 billion."

"And the budget would slash more than $400 million in training programs for nurses and other health professionals"

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-budget-envisions-big-cuts-for-1489664310-htmlstory.html

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"Trump Budget Proposes $64 Billion In Social Security Disability Cuts"

http://seniorsleague.org/trump-budget-proposes-64-billion-social- security-disability-cuts/

foratag(257) Clarified
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Pardon me, but I did not see any actual numbers in that article, so it can't be taken seriously. Please provide another link that shows the actual numbers. Someone making up stuff without verification cannot be taken as gospel.

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The agency’s budget has already been cut by 11 percent since 2011. No liberal concern.

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It’s funny how planned parenthood can be call pro-choice when they eliminate all possible choices a person could ever possibly make before they are even born.

KJVPrewrath(967) Disputed
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I don't support Planned Parenthood. I got my birth control withoiut them.

TzarPepe(763) Banned
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Healthcare is not a "right" any way. Forcing someone to take care of your candy bar chompin' tail.... Totally a right

Sounds like a UN right, which aren't even rights, just bribes.

ArnoDorian(47) Disputed
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Healthcare is not a "right" any way.

Maybe in the backwards waste repository of a country you call home, but there are countries that consider health care a right.

Forcing someone to take care of your candy bar chompin' tail

Wrong, more like expecting people who are paid to perform healthcare services to do their job.

Sounds like a UN right, which aren't even rights, just bribes.

What the hell does that even mean? that sounds like a load of bizarre pee pee.

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Healthcare is not a "right" any way.

Maybe in the backwards waste repository of a country you call home, but there are countries that consider health care a right

Oh good. So if I refuse to do anything you must keep me alive and feed me. And if I have the right mental disorder, you'll owe me a therapy dog, some Zoloft, and some free medical marijuana, so pay up lib. Give me my shots.

TzarPepe(763) Clarified Banned
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I live in The United States. Not a backwards waste repository.

Being cured of every crippling ailment I have would be really sweet. I can't reasonably demand this.

I am grateful for the medical service I have been provided, even though the amount these people charge seems like piracy.

KJVPrewrath(967) Disputed
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This is my body. I have the right to healthcare, you fucking contard..................................................

TzarPepe(763) Disputed Banned
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By all means, go up to a medical professional and demand that they cure you.

If I was that medical professional, I'd think you were an entitled jerk. Why don't you show some humility and ask nicely? Or maybe wave around some Benjamins.

The amount these people have to pay to do all their schooling. Hey, you know they hate all you people anyway. Never following their advice. You wouldn't have gotten diabetes if you listened to your doctor. Oh maybe you wouldn't have had another heart attack if you listened to your doctor. Oh maybe you wouldn't have gotten lung cancer if you listen to your doctor.

Lets face it, you assholes don't deserve healthcare, you don't even appreciate the doctors you pay for. It's not a right. You should be grateful to give away your life savings to these pirates in hopes of being cured of incurable ailments.

Sure, I got problems with the medical field, but I don't think the answer is to put it in the hands of the government.

I don't know.

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
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'fucking contard' is helpful, but quoting you is trolling.

interesting.

TzarPepe(763) Disputed Banned
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By all means, go up to a medical professional and demand that they cure you.

If I was that medical professional, I'd think you were an entitled prick. Why don't you show some humility and ask nicely?

OR you know, give them 5,000 dollars to prescribe you some pills and tell you to scurry along your way.

Ever go to the doctor without any insurance? IT really sucks. Those were not the good old days.

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Neither Trump, nor any other Republican, nor ANYONE I have ever heard of opposes healthcare rights.

You are conflating the right to a thing with the right to have someone else pay for it.

Consider, the Second Amendment guarantees the right to own firearms, but this does not mean that the government must ensure everyone has a firearm, or supply firearms to the populace at affordable prices, or subsidize the purchase of firearms for those who cannot afford them.

On the other hand, there is nothing in the US Constitution that guarantees access to modern healthcare technology, doctors, hospitals, or any other healthcare-related thing. Healthcare is no more a legal right than is driving a car or owning a Beanie Baby.

KJVPrewrath(967) Disputed
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Yes they do. All conservatives oppose single payer healthcare, which is a right. My nody, my choice to be healthy.

marcusmoon(576) Clarified
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Yes they do. All conservatives oppose single payer healthcare, which is a right.

First, a few questions:

- 1a - How did you come to the conclusion that healthcare of any kind is a right?

- 1b - How did you come to the conclusion that it is just to use the threat of violence to force anyone to pay for other people's healthcare?

(Whenever the government issues a requirement, enforcement of that requirement ultimately devolves to violence. "Power blooms out of the barrel of a gun," and all that.)

- 2 - Are you suggesting that a single payer system should also provide guns and ammunition to all citizens in order to support the Second Amendment right to bear arms?

- 3a - If I need a Band-aid and some Neosporin, do I have the right to break into your house so I can get into your medicine cabinet?

- 3b - If not, why isn't it your responsibility to provide the medical care you say I have a right to?

- 4a - Do hungry strangers have the right to enter your house and eat from your refrigerator?

- 4b - If not, why isn't it your responsibility to meet their medically required right to food?

marcusmoon(576) Clarified
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By conservatives I assume you mean American conservatives (as opposed to monarchists, etc..)

Conservative opposition to government-run healthcare is generally based in the following:

- A - We value freedom.

- B - We value independence.

- C - We value personal responsibility.

- D - We value personal accountability for personal choices and needs.

- E - We know that the more responsibilities one abdicates to government, the more freedom government takes.

- F - We know that that government does nothing well, but does everything wastefully.

The liberals tend to agree with conservatives on A through C, and sometimes D.

The leftists tend to disagree with conservatives on A through F.

Those of you who want to designate single payer healthcare as a right are really saying that you are in favor of slavery. You want to enslave the rest of society to meet the needs of the individual.

I know you don't think of it as such, but you really are the enemies of liberty, all because you do not want people to have to take care of themselves.

TzarPepe(763) Banned
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I hear a lot of talk about planned parenthood, so here is my opinion....

Planned parenthood received government funding, and donated to political parties.

Something about that is innately wrong to me.

You know, besides making baby slushies... That don't seem right either.

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donated to political parties

Can companies that get government contracts not lobby or give money to political parties? e.g. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc.

Planned parenthood received government funding

Planned Parenthood gets government money through reimbursement for covered Medicaid services that have already been provided, and for contraceptives (Title X funds) - neither source of funds is used for abortions, nor political contributions.

TzarPepe(763) Disputed Banned
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I'm pretty sure that companies that get government contracts can do all these things. Does it look good? No. Does it facilitate corruption? Probably.

Planned parenthood has spent almost 1.5 million dollars this year so far lobbying for abortion.

If people want to get medically examined, there are more ethical places to have it done than planned parenthood.

I guess I misunderstood how it is that they get government funding. They got a bunch of people who walk around downtown with clipboards always asking for donations to planned parenthood. They must be strapped for cash or something. It might be good for their business to fight for the liberation of abortion.

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Can you quote for me when and where Donald Trump has forced buying healthcare on the American people ? Give it your best shot !

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Is abortion part of health care ?

KJVPrewrath(967) Disputed
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Banned for going off topic. This is not an abortion debate. Abortion goes down under a progressive healthcare plan.

JustIgnoreMe(4290) Clarified
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I was away from the site for a while so you may know that cruzaders was going to intentionally go off topic, but since pro-life is part of the debate topic, the question posed doesn't seem bannable on its face.

You are the same fake news debater that wastes everyone's time.

Trump supports medicaid for any life threatening illness! Go spew your fake news propaganda to those mindlessly ignorant enough to swallow it.

For people like you who support No Restriction abortions when voting for the Democrat party or other Leftist politicians is beyond hypocritical to talk about saving innocent lives.

KJVPrewrath(967) Disputed
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I'm prolife from womb to tomb. I oppose all abortion save for the medical health of the mother, the death penalty, fucking people in the ass on healthcare, torture, war, rape, police brutality. Read Prolife Answers to Prochoice arguments where prolife author Randy Alcorn says leftists can be prolife. You GOPussies are hypocrites. Even Andy is a prochoice conservative, but I can't be prolife. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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ROFLOL, ANOTHER DENIER!!!!!!!!!

So when you elect the very people who keep NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS LEGAL, you are going to sit there and tell us you are prolife?

GET REAL! If I had nickel for every Democrat who spewed that same garbage, I would be a rich man.

Would you afford Republicans the same excuses if they elected a known KKK member?

Or would you be screaming how they are racists for electing a racist?

Would you allow them the same ludicrous excuses of how you are not a one issue voter? Would you allow that ridiculous excuse for electing a KKK member? Republicans could say that they agree with the other positions of the KKK member, but not the one issue of racism.

Tell me how this is any different?

Can you even grasp the lunacy of your position? Do you possess the intellect to understand what I am saying?

If not, we are through here.

Let me finish by explaining an obvious fact so you might grasp what I am saying.

I would never vote for a KKK member no matter how closely I aligned with his other positions. The fact that he was a KKK member tells me everything I need to know about the person's humanity.

He could tell me everything I want to hear from a politician, but the fact remains.... he hates Black people and lumps them all together based on their skin color. That makes him an idiot with no true compassion or love for people.

You are telling us how you are Liberal, and agree with most of the Liberal positions from the Left, yet you say you are prolife which goes totally opposite of the Leftist radical pro abortion positions.

You will tell us how you are not a one issue voter. I've heard it a thousand times!

The problem being is that the one issue of abortion far outwieghs all other issues when deciding who we will vote for.

The issue of a politician being a KKK member, far outwieghs all other issues.

It is inhuman to support even No Restriction abortions of viable babies, no matter how sweet and compassionate the politician sounds when speaking to other issues such as healthcare, etc. etc. etc.

His radical support for abortion says it all. He's a phoney!

When you pull that lever for these radical Pro abortion Democrats, you might as well being using the forcepts to dismember that baby yourself.

Stop living in denial!

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That's right Trump isn't pro-life when it counts, but he gets all emotional over a humanoid bundle of protoplasm.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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"You get all emotional over a humanoid bundle of protoplasm"

Is that what you were before you were hatched LMMFAO !

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Divide, confuse. Each day that passes will see Trump become more and more like Obama; just as Obama became Bush. If I was part of the banking cartel that runs this country I would have had the JFK apostasy report sitting on the Oval office desk for Trump day one.