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An American Problem A World Problem
Debate Score:36
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Is the Anti-Islam Film the Innocence of Muslims an American or World Problem?

So, some obscure nobody creates an anti-islamic hate film called the Innocence of Muslims, which gets some airtime and creates a world wide outcry.  Here is what I would ask.  Is this an American problem?  Why are the protestors rioting?  Because the film is negative to their prophet?  Because the film was made by someone who happens to be in the US? Or, is it because people around the world are so distressed over everything going on right now that they are just so full of rage?

BTW, here is the link to the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM

So I ask, is this an American Problem or a World Problem?

 

Is it acceptable for them to burn and American flag?

An American Problem

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A World Problem

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Its not a problem at all. The riots and protests were in response to it being the anniversary of 9/11, the film was just used as a scapegoat.

Yes it is acceptable for them to burn the American flag, its just a flag, your allowed to burn it.

Side: An American Problem

Thanks for the down vote, now give me an actual argument.

Side: An American Problem
1 point

Ah sorry no i was wrong forget what i previously said..!

Side: An American Problem
1 point

I realise that to the USA your flag is all powerful and all important. However the Muslim religion is somewhat more important! However, you release a mocking film designed to be funny, and they go around killing ambassadors..? Umm, no, it's just not done! Everyone's kowtowing to them and apologising for the video, whereas they're the assholes who go around setting fire to stuff! However, it is more of an American problem, and technically, to these people their religion is more important than your flag. If someone performed their own two girls one cup on the American flag then whipped their asses with it, that would kind of be similar to what the video stands for in the eyes of the Muslims. However, i'm sure you wouldn't go to Afghanistan and set fire to their stuff, would you America..?! (Hint hint nudge nudge!) Anyway, the point is, the Muslims obviously waaaaay over reacted to something which shouldn't have been done in the first place. It is more of an American problem.

Side: An American Problem
2 points

your flag is all powerful and all important

No, freedom of speech is what's important.

you release a mocking film

America did not release the film, a few idiots did.

Also, there is mounting evidence that the violence in Libya was not related to the youtube video, but rather a response to the leader of Al-Qaeda announcing the death of Abu Yahya al-Libi on Sept 10th

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/9534938/911-anniversary-Ayman-al-Zawahiri-confirms-June-death-of-Abu-Yahya-al-Libi.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/12/benghazi-attack-us-officials-consulate?newsfeed=true

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-09-12/africa/world_africa_libya-attack-jihadists_1_qaeda-al-zawahiri-al-libi

Side: A World Problem
Jungelson(3953) Disputed
1 point

You see, if i said what i really think, which is all the yokles get so upset about a flag, you would have knocked me for that. I try to be kind, and you knock me for that too! I would have thought it clear when i said America released the video, i didn't mean the country. Yes it was a few idiots, a few american idiots. Yes we know the video was just a scapegoat for the violence in Libya. However i am sure if it had not been released, all this would be far worse. By the way when i said your flag is all powerful, i meant as an emblem. Like the way everyday in school the Americans pledge allegiance to it, or something i'm not entirely sure.

Side: An American Problem

I'm coming straight off the bat and saying it's not a problem at all, or shouldn't be anyway.

First of all, it's just a bad film. Poorly acted, poorly directed, poor cinematography and production values that make The Evil Dead look like Avatar. I think it's more insulting that something as, to be quite frank, shit as this got more air time and recognition than 99.9% of other good indie films that rightfully deserve it.

Anyways, that aside, really all in all it comes down to freedom of speech and people being absolute bloody idiots.

The people burning the American flag and protesting and all that other jazz are about ten million times worse than some wanker that made a really bad and insulting video (something of which thousands of people do every day, by the way).

They have absolutely no right to act as they are, and they're only making complete jackasses out of themselves anyway, I know I for one look down upon them considerably more after this incident.

Let's look at it this way; personally my favorite film of all time is Starship Troopers, and my second is Robocop (both heavy satires, both directed by Paul Verhoeven, for those interested). News came around to me that they were remaking both, I've read the draft script for the Robocop remake and heard news on Starship Troopers remake, both have me quite pissed off. I'm a pretty big movie buff and I've written several Essay's on Paul Verhoeven's work, so this for me is a major blow to and an insult to what I love and base my life around (film).

That may sound really corny and absurd to everyone else, but in the same vein so does Islam to the majority of those that don't follow the religion.

But do I go around with a picture of Neal Moritz and Toby Jaffe (Starship Troopers remake producers) on fire and randomly start beating people up while screaming at the top of my lungs? No, because I'm not a freaking moron.

Also consider this, there are thousands if not millions of videos against Christianity, but (for the most part anyway) do you see Christians bombing buildings and rioting because of it? You certainly don't.

Everyone seems to think that Islam is somehow superior to the rest of us and we need to be all respectful and lovely, and all that other shit to them.

Well I say fuck that, I'm not going to treat them badly, I'm not going to treat them worse, I'm going to treat them in the same way I'd treat anyone else, and that's the way it should be.

Side: An American Problem
1 point

I feel as though most people are seeing this with a very narrow perspective. I do not believe it is right for them to have burnt the American flags, but you cannot blame their anger for the sake of one video. These people have been involved in over a decade of war & invasion by the US, a million murdered, over 300,000 displaced, infrastructures completely abolished. You cannot expect their frustrations to settle, or for them to think rationally while their people (the innocent ones) are dying through this war.

I find it rather pathetic to call these people barbaric, for if they are barbaric, what does that make the US army, who have murdered that million of Iraqis + Afghanis? The ones who were innocent civilians?

Did we also forget that the US, once upon a time, broadcasted the burning of the Quran in a church over many news stations? Yet these muslims burning the flag is suddenly animalistic in your views.

You have to understand that they are not just angry at some dumb film, but America's foreign policy. Wake up and see the bigger picture. These people are fed up of watching friends and family dying, and being tormented.

Side: An American Problem
1 point

like our grandparents who stood up to the nazi and communist threat they knew that you cant negotiate with fanatics i am so proud of frances stand and the rest of the free world should salute the french primeminister for backing the magazine that printed the cartoons of the muslims so called prophet we must draw aline in the sand and if muslims dare tell us in the west what we can say print watch or read then this is an attack onfree speech and we should come down hard on them i would even go as far as banning thier religion as they are persecuting and attacking every other religion in the so called muslim world we must have no tolerance with them as these brainwashed scum see tolerance as a weakness we cant trust them they are not our allies i.e pakistan and the protection given to Osama so come on wstern world while we are strong meet thier intolerance with and ban them from the western world

Side: An American Problem
1 point

i apologise in advance for my bluntness but this all just goes to show what a load of bollocks organised religion is. i'm not stating for a second there are no spiritual beings out there just as has been said many times in the past, it is a way of controlling the masses and the masses continue to allow themselves be controlled by it.

even within each individual religion there are divisive sects throwing hatred and violence at each other.

in my own religion, i'm not particularly religious, christianity there has always been the age old catholic/protestant problem within the country i hail from. total nonsense in my opinion. they both agree on 99% of what is preached to them but fight, main and kill over the 1% they disagree on.

sects within islam are the same.

total bollocks

Side: An American Problem
3 points

Well, it's not much of a problem. A handful of religious nuts decided to kill some people because they're all butt hurt. Happens all the time unfortunately. It's what religious nuts do, it's like their thing.

Fat Albert says Hey, hey, heeeyyyy! and religious nuts kill people.

The video is dumb as hell btw. I couldn't figure out if they were trying to be funny or if the moron who made it actually thought he was making some kind of point. I'd ban that dude from making any more films, not for being offensive, but for having the mind of a retarded child who only eats paint chips.

Side: A World Problem
0 points

LOL. That's funny. But I don't think all religious people are nuts. Just a whole lot of them.

Side: A World Problem

Those people are so full of themselves. They can't take a joke.

They can't get over the fact that hundreds of years ago they were number one in practically everything and now they get no respect.

They should just stop taking themselves so seriously and learn to laugh at themselves almost as much as we laugh at them :)

Side: A World Problem
2 points

This is a world problem, simply because that film could have been made anywhere, just like the Danish cartoon scenario this has gone to the point of ridiculousness.

Freedom of speech is a central tenet of the modern world, something I think people take for granted.

The early Americans took their right to free speech seriously, so much in fact that it led to the death of Joesph Smith and the exiling of the Mormons from a city they built themselves because he destroyed a newspaper that only published once.

Move on two hundred years or so and modern Westerners that have reaped the benefits of a society that gives everyone a voice are so wound up in their PC self importance that they wish to renege on this right to appease the hate mongering of dark age theocratic war lords, based on the assumption that they're upsetting a few Muslims, a people that on a daily basis sling hate and vitriol at the west on every format they can manage.

A people that see no problem in putting a death sentence on the head of Salman Rushdie because he dared to ask questions, a people that burned embassies and flags and got all pissy because of a cartoon depiction of Muhammad.

Freedom of speech is something taken for granted, but people in Muslim countries have their media heavily controlled, they don't hear anything unless the authorities want them to, so if they're out protesting then you can be damned sure that some leader that should know better is whipping up the fury to their agendas purpose. A purpose that wants their people to remainsubjugated and ignorant.

Side: A World Problem
shahkar Clarified
1 point

well i agree with you that freedon of speech is taken for granted many places in the world, and i agree that everyone has the right to say or express what they feel, however not taking side with anyone being totally neutral would like tot ask the question that what are the limits of that freedom. Are you totally allowed to brutally injure someones feelings with it can you harass someone by expressing your views on somehting that the other party loves or cares about. than again the violence is not an answer but WAT WOULD BE THE LIMITS OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH? SPECIALLY WHEN U WRITE A BOOK HOLOCAUST AND UR IMPRISONED IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHO RAISE THE BANNER OF FREEDOM HIGHEST? And muslim women who express their relegion by HIJAB are not allowed in the western world so wat is exactly freedon of speech and what are the limits for it?

Side: An American Problem

The Islamic reaction to the film is certainly a world problem, but the film itself is not a problem at all. It's a laughable and poorly made bit of propaganda, but absolutely nobody deserves physical harm due to its existence. Furthermore, if homosexuals, women, Christians, Westerners, or Jews rioted against Muslims they way the Muslims are rioting now every time the Islamic world produced an appalling and ignorant piece of propaganda condemning one (or all) of these groups, there would literally be no building not ransacked, no car not flipped over and burned, and no Muslims not dead or injured in the entire Islamic world. Somewhat fortunately for us it is generally only the Islamic world that feigns indignant outrage and reacts violently at every instance of free speech they disagree with. You do have to wonder... why?

Side: A World Problem
1 point

Actually, the YouTube clip of this 'movie' isn't the real problem at all... Radical fcking religious nut-jobs are the problem and* that is a problem for everyone. (all Earthlings)

Side: A World Problem
1 point

Muslims are crazy, they jump against just a video, which was published by some dude,wanting to have some fun. Muslims are funny with their stupid brainwashing religion. Nuff said.

Side: A World Problem
Pickled_Egg(2) Disputed
2 points

That's like me saying, "Christians are crazy, so many priests rape little boys, and the Vatican protects them!" Or, "Christians are crazy, they're always so angry they have to wear white pointy hoods and gather like a cult to kill all the non-protestants! [The KKK]"

It is very narrow minded to subject a WHOLE group of people due to the stupid actions of a few lunatics. But, it is doing no harm to anyone but yourself. If you have a narrow mind, you view the world in a narrow perspective. You close many doors to yourself. You probably stay at home a lot.

The world is bigger than what your TV decides to show you.

Since when were positive headlines ever popular? The News aren't exactly going to run through the day telling you all the good things that happened, and all the good people in the world. Lol.

Side: An American Problem
sam4islam(2) Clarified
1 point

yes this is a video. but wat is in video its wrong. who get the permission the film director to heart the muslims and Muslim is not funny or not a stupid religion if they want to make a film on religion topic away from Muslims Messenger (prophet) its is a just public city funda or nothing

Side: An American Problem
1 point

the reason i call it world problem is that because its being called freedon of speech, well when u start someones feelings with your speech is it really a freedom anymore? If lets say i said something really bad about a person or someone he loves really much, and as a result he starts arguing and fighting with me will i say i have freedom of speech have to right express whatever i feel like regardless if it hurts someone, if that is the case than why cant a person write a book about HOLOCAUST, and if freedom is to expressing ones feelings than how is muslim women being disallowed HIJAB in som ecounttries in the WEST not against this IMPORTANT HUMAN RIGHT???????

Side: A World Problem
1 point

It's an islamic problem. They're letting themselves get jerked around by people who hate them. And they're not even fighting against the people who published the video. Those people are sitting back and laughing at all the fuss they've created. If I was them, I'd wait until all the fuss died down, and then I'd do it again just to see what happens, and then I'd keep on doing it over and over just to see how long it took them to realize someone was just jerking them around just for fun.

Side: A World Problem
1 point

There are muslims all over the world, and peole of other religion. This movie offended all muslims and has touched our honor! I am very objective person, but not the movie! If there was a negative movie about christians, then I would misunderstand the religion..., so that is what the Anti-Islam film did.

Side: A World Problem