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It was better to have had Hitler, despite his crimes, then to have never had him at all.

True..., true

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WWII was responsible, both directly and indirectly, for advances in many forms of technology. From aeronautics to robotics, they have all advanced tremendously as a result of WWII. America only got out of the Depression because of WWII.

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NVYN(289) Disputed
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Your assumption that without WW2, technologies couldn't have advanced and America wouldn't be able to get out of the Depression is both short-sighted and ignorant of economic cycles.

Technologies would always advance due to the human desires to discover, invent and push at the boundaries of the sciences.

Economies will always experience peaks and troughs, booms and busts. War is simply one of the many events that could stimulate economic activities. A massive sporting event is also good for that, and so are big holiday events like Christmas.

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TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
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I did not say that they would not have gotten out of the Depression, simply that, seeing how WWII was extremely influential for the Depression to end, the absence of said war could have increased the duration of said depression.

And I realize that technology would advance, but not as rapidly as they had due to the need for said technology during WWII.

Also, it is doubtful that the UN would have come into existence when it had, possibly being delayed for years, if not decades.

Some 50 - 70 million people died during WWII, their descendants could have increased the earth's current population passed the 7 billion line.

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I would much rather have history stay the same than have one little event changed. I mean ever hear of the butterfly effect?

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I meant nothing about altering history books. I wanted people, after decades of calling him a demagogue, to think of what could have happened had he succeeded at his early suicide attempt.

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I know. That's why I'd rather have the world as it is now, with Hitler having existed, than live in a world where Hitler never existed.

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1 point

With the political climate in Germany, Italy, Hungary, Japan, etc. it was only a matter of time before WWII broke out, so we would have had war even without Hitler.

Seeing as Hitler was a dumb ass when it came to military decisions Germany performed nowhere near as good as they could have. If Hitler never existed there is a chance that a brilliant military strategist could have taken over instead and the result would have been the Allies losing the war.

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TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
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Hitler, not knowing much about tactics? He was a genius - he conquered vast areas of land, many peoples, and did wonders for Deutschland. One of the only mistakes he made was underestimating the Russian peoples.

Germany was extremely influential over WWII - wars may have happened, but not on a scale as large as WWII.

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wolfbite(432) Disputed
1 point

He himself was an idiot, his generals were the geniuses. Erwin Rommel, Josef Kammhuber, Johannes Steinhoff, Erich Raeder, Hans-Georg von Friedeburg, and others were the ones who kicked ass. Other then being an icon Hitler was rather useless, his book sucked, his intelligence was nothing special, and when it came to fighting he just sat back and let his generals carry everything out.

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To me, Hitler is a history lesson.

Hitler shows how madness for power can lead to the destruction of millions of innocent lives. Hitler is the best example for madness in politics.

He was also one of the greatest leaders that have ever existed. True, he was mad, but if he can come from Austria and grow to command the entire country of Germany, then it is undoubtedly obvious that he was a great leader. His vision was insane, but his rise to power is something worth going down in history.

Hitler taught the world a lot of things about politics and power, isn't that worth having? After all, historic education is a good thing.

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A war like WWII will probably never happen again because we learned from Hitler and the problems that he caused the world, as well as the benefits of power he gave to the German people.

Side: True..., true
2 points

Uh, fuck no. And this butterfly effect fetish everyone seems to have here is highly overrated.

The fact is any advance that may or may not have been accelerated because of WWII would certainly have happened anyway eventually, but without a bunch of dead people and last I checked human life was more important than new toys.

Next, he tried to kill a "race" of people (there's no such thing as race, but for simplicity's sake)

Like, I have two legs, I don't have to start trying to cut off one before I realize it's a bad idea. Killing off a race of people is a bad idea and we don't even have to give it a try to figure that out.

Finally, as rough as Germany had it after WWI, WWII set them back even further. The sanctions placed on Germany would have been lifted inevitably if nothing else for their pure production power, likely before WWII even ended... and again without all of the dead people. I mean, they have the 4th GDP now and are landlocked, I didn't realize Volkswagen was so popular.

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TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
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Without that war, the population would be higher. That, coupled with a lack of agricultural technology, could result in mass starvation.

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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I don't believe that to be the case. If necessity breads creativity then starvation is just as good a motivator as war. And the generation after any war always sees a massive spike in newborns. People tend to re-shore their own numbers naturally. I don't believe there would be many more people alive today had the war never happened.

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Hitler was indirectly responsible for millions of deaths. It is possible that the advances detailed in the other argument would have happened despite him.

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NVYN(289) Disputed
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Yeah, things would still have happened, but they wouldn't have happened the same way.

Due to the butterfly effects, where we are today is owing to Hitler and his actions. Had he not been around, we'd not be where we are, and the argument is the whole world could actually be a lot worse off.

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