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Jesus had long hair, yet why does the bible contradict men with long hair?
Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
Why does Jesus get long hair, but all other men are disgraced.
Uhhh because the bible is a mish mash of different literature with little cross reference. Even though at 384 Ad they decided the bible was only going to be made up out of 4 of about 400 different scrolls going around in Rome at the time (supposedly all being the true word of the lord) they couldnt make those 4 out of 400 books congruent with each other.
Jesus never existed. The writings and culture of Yoshua ("the liberator" in Aramaic) was spawned by the use of psychotropic drugs. In other words "jesus was a mushroom"
Jesus never existed. The writings and culture of Yoshua ("the liberator" in Aramaic) was spawned by the use of psychotropic drugs. In other words "jesus was a mushroom"
I think "Jesus was a mushroom" should be a new bumper sticker.
John Allegro was a world renowned Aramaic scholar, and when the Dead sea scrolls where discovered, he was one of the few who was hired to examine them. After he came out with his ideas about how the early "Christians" where into psychedelic rituals he got fired and chastized by other religious "scholars"
I have to mention that some form of psychedelic drugs have been involved in the majority of religions known to anthropologist. (I wonder why:)
If we want to think that "jesus" was a psychedelic mushroom or not - I have to say: it is a much more likely explenation for this literature than that there actually was a guy who walked on water and healed the ill - Especially since there is no evidence or any writings that are written before about 100 Ad that mention Jesus. Given how much impact he is said to have had in the bible (reaching to the highest of authority´s that are supposed to have had him killed) It is strange that there is no mention of him in that day literature. To make a comparison, there is a bunch of literature written at the time Gautama Buddah lived about him and he live about 500 years before Christ, and wasnt deep into politics like Jesus. (history is usually written around political acts)
I do think that that Disney gives a better portrayal of the old fairy tales (and we all know that the Beast died in the end of the real Beauty and the beast.) then the bible as we know it today gives of the old tales of Yoshua.
I dare you to drive through the bible belt with that sticker :)
If you are interested then take a look at this
It's always bittersweet to make fun of though, because then it dawns on you that people are presently killing each other over a drug-trip, basically.
John Allegro was a world renowned Aramaic scholar, and when the Dead sea scrolls where discovered, he was one of the few who was hired to examine them. After he came out with his ideas about how the early "Christians" where into psychedelic rituals he got fired and chastized by other religious "scholars"
Thanks for the name drop, I hadn't heard of him, it also got me reading about Essenism.
The idea that these were all just hallucinations is ridiculous, it is almost unheard of for people to share hallucinations, even though these men saw the same thing multiple times.
I am sorry if you do not believe there is a Heaven or Hell. But i am pretty sure that you are going to Hell and be tortured for the rest of your life if you do not give your life to Christ.
God is not imaginary he is real whether you like it or not. So when you are done believing imaginary things of this world God will still be there waiting for you to repent.
Your god doesn't exist, and if your definition of god did exist he would be a complete dick and I'd rather go to hell than hang out with him for eternity.
If it's a choice between your definition of a god, and hell, I'd choose hell because I'm not a tool and I have a mind of my own. You are already in some version of hell I cannot even imagine, a mindless zombie without an original thought in your head and completely void of any understanding or even curiosity outside of your own tiny, ridiculous world.
Honestly, if there really were a god, and he really did make people with all of our potential for thought, you would disgust him.
God does not care if we are dumb he does not care if he have any problems he loves us all the same. You say you are not a tool but the devil is using you now as a tool and he does not care for you one bit.
It is really sad when people think that some things are imaginary and yet they are real. How come Hell can exist and God can't?
Hell exists because believers ruin life for everyone else at the expense of believing and enforcing their delusion in a being that is a logical contradiction.
I am very sorry that you will not go to heaven unless you change what i speak is the truth and if you are not going to listen to the truth and aknowledge it then thats your fault.
I am very sorry that you will not go to heaven unless you change what i speak is the truth and if you are not going to listen to the truth and aknowledge it then thats your fault.
I know you don't speak the truth, because god and Jesus stood before me once and told me that Christianity was a big joke. Now, being that they were god and Jesus, I think I have to take their word for it.
A nice non-funny joke. If Christ and God exist which they do they would be lying about everything they taught but since they are without sin and perfect they would not be lying. If you saw God's face you would die.
A nice non-funny joke. If Christ and God exist which they do they would be lying about everything they taught but since they are without sin and perfect they would not be lying. If you saw God's face you would die.
They weren't lying, they were joking. There's a big difference. As part of their all-powerful, perfect nature they thought it would be a laugh to drop a book of fairy tales in a desert, and watch what happens. Thousands of years later three religions sprung up and god and Jesus can't stop laughing about it because people like you, televangelists, creationists, and so on are defending something a child could see through.
"If you don't know anything about the Bible, just keep your mouth shut." good thing I know a thing or two, or I would have to shut up because a mentally handicaped person told me to
"There is no proof that Jesus had long hair. It was just seen in pictures. Maybe he had short hair."
There is no more proof he existed either - no more proof than the proof for Robin hood´s existence - so Fuck Robin Hood (see how I didn´t insult Robin Hood - Since he is a fictional chracter you moron
lol, wow you found a completely senseless quote from the Bible that must have taken all of 30 seconds.
I love that it's "the nature of things" that teaches us. What nature? Like babies are going around discriminating against long-haired men. It's not natural it's taught - by things like the Bible.
Holy crap I hate that freakin' book sometimes. For every 1 good lesson there's 18 pieces of bs like this.
"Because your writers suck, hire better ones next time."?
Since we're asking silly pointless questions... when Odin asks you why you didn't make any attempt to die gloriously in battle so you could go to Valhalla, what are YOU going to say?
How do you know he sent Adolf Hitler to prison???????????
If Yahweh exists, I know that Hitler is in heaven because he was a model example of a "through faith alone" Christian. Sure he sent six million people to their deaths, but he believed in the one true god and Jesus, and therefore his sins were washed away.
Hitler's sins were only washed away if he asked for forgiveness if he didn't then his sins are not washed away. There is a possibility that he is not in heaven.
And you find it logical and fair, and moral, and just....and etc - that a man who killed 6 million people should get to go to hell only if he asks for forgiveness, while a person who killed nobody, but by accident of birth was born into another religion doesnt get admitance.
At least most of the priest Ive talked to about this try to dance around this issue with ideological talk, saved from death by vagueness - but you dont even try.
Holy crap, not only have you misdefined your vague religion in this string of arguments, but you've also misdefined a word you can easily look up in any dictionary.
Smart: showing mental alertness and calculation and resourcefulness
Hitler's sins were only washed away if he asked for forgiveness if he didn't then his sins are not washed away. There is a possibility that he is not in heaven.
He had faith in Christ though, so you can be sure he'd be in heaven now, happy as a clam, if heaven existed.
It does not matter, he has to believe in Christ AND ask for forgiveness.
John 14:6-7
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
It is true no one comes to the Father except through me.
1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
The Lord cannot be in the presence of sin or unrighteousness therefore we have to ask for forgiveness or else we are unrighteous.
All that verse is saying is that if you want to be in the presence of god you must ask forgiveness, it says nothing about needing to ask forgiveness to be in heaven.
Listen God would never say crap but he would imply on what you said i just said that in me statement so you would realize what you just called the HOLY BIBLE.
Listen God would never say crap but he would imply on what you said i just said that in me statement so you would realize what you just called the HOLY BIBLE.
You misunderstood me. I was implying that if the Bible is god's word, and the Bible is crap, then god's mouth spews crap.
I've read it many times, and I transferred from Gonzaga University with 18 credits in religious studies. Is there something specific you want to discuss, or are you just speaking in tongues again?
I love how contradictory it is to think of oneself as Christian (forgiving and kind) one minute and the next be threatening the equivalent to disembowelment if someone doesn't agree with you.
I think one of the best evidence of the bible really being a political PR scare tactic device is how God is described as sort of an unpredictable alcoholic tyrant "that loves you" in it. This is exactly how alcoholics get control over households: by issuing out love and hate so unpredictably that other people in the house get to be immobile with stress over what is going to happen next.
God is going to make you pay for saying he is an unpredictable alcoholic tyrant. Besides i am just telling you the truth you will go to Hell if you do not give your life to Christ.
Well you can hold on to the self righteous idea that eveybody who disagrees with your pseudo safe-haven of a religion are going to be punished after they die, while I can entertain the idea that you instead of being open to the wonders of the world you actually live in are rather going to bury your head into the quicksand of this circular logic that will never get you anywhere.
One of the best ways to enjoy yourself is to be surprised but your creed makes it so that you and other drones will never get to expirence pleasant surprises, because everything that isnt predictable by the bible is rendered scary and uncanny for you.
And I didnt equate him with an alcoholic tyrant, the bible did it for me. It is not my fault that "the shoe fits". If there was a great God who wrote the bible I wonder why he wrote it with all the hallmarks of psycopathic manifestos of mad men.
Yet another reason that the likelyhood of a master of the universe writing the bible is far fetched is because of all the human traits the writing in it has. There is no way a suprime being would write so many contradictory, soulless and immoral statements. You need mad dictators for that (and thats where we got the word "dictation" from)
What in that book do you not believe????????????????????????????????
Men cannot survive in giant fish, there was never a garden of eden, we are not the offspring of a single man and woman. Men do not rise from the dead, worldwide floods are impossible, need I go on?
Men can survive in giant fish if God has a special plan for them, there was a Garden of Eden, we are the offspring of a single man and woman, Only through the power of God can people rise for the dead, world wide floods are possible, THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD.
Men can survive in giant fish if God has a special plan for them, there was a Garden of Eden, we are the offspring of a single man and woman, Only through the power of God can people rise for the dead, world wide floods are possible, THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD.
Like I said, totally unconvincing, unsubstantiated and unbelievable. You may as well be defending Harry Potter to me as gospel truth.
Well considering that this is an argument pertaining to something written in the Bible, arguing the logistics surrounding the given premises would help make you seem less biased against something you probably don't have a lot of experience with, (other than through severely blown out of proportion pro/anti posts in a forum).
If anyone would have cared to read the scripture themselves and maybe a verse or two further they would have found that it says :
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
The books of Corinthians in the Bible are actually letters written by Paul to the people of Corinth, Greece. From the context this isn't really a commandment other than an observational suggestion made by one of the Apostles of Jesus Christ. According the the authority he held and would currently hold assuming the text is accurate, Paul would be able to receive revelation from God, every word from His mouth being those that would need following, but as was further stated by Paul, His church has no custom.
Furthermore the first paintings of Christ were those of the Italians, and at that time the style that was most impressed on their society was that of long hair.
As to whether Christ had long hair or not, given the complete lack of scriptural enlightenment on this matter other than a suggestion made by one of his Apostles, I would say that we should be thankful that our fate doesn't lie with the knowledge of this non-pertinent to salvation question.
The assumption seems consistent; the religious believe those who do not believe must believe so from a lack of knowledge about the various superstitions of whichever particular religion they are representing.
In fact though I find the opposite to be true. Atheists being less than 20% of the population, and the religious by percentage reproducing in greater numbers than atheists, at the same time the number of atheists increasing necessarily means that most atheists were once religious.
Myself included, by no choice of my own, indoctrination the culprit in my case.
That you are aware that Corinthians is a series of letters in no way diminishes my case that the stance that any god would judge man so harshly is tyrannical. And that that only logical conclusion when one removes themselves from the religion itself, which can be arrived at based on the various silly posts I've replied to, is that this christian god is not good at all, quite evil.
If your argument is that this god has been misrepresented I respect your stance and wish you'd dispute with those misrepresenting you god instead of quoting Bible minutia to me that I am both aware of and indifferent about.
I must say that I thought this to be a Hadrian debate.
I think we're all just under the impression that he had long hair because of his depiction in culture. But if you know where this comes from, please illuminate it for us.
Jesus was not feeble he healed the blind, healed lepers, even raised someone from the dead, and he himself rose from death. Yes! there is a God but you are too ignorant/stubborn.
Jesus was not feeble he healed the blind, healed lepers, even raised someone from the dead, and he himself rose from death. Yes! there is a God but you are too ignorant/stubborn.
If he was the son of god, these are but parlour tricks. He may as well have pulled a rabbit out of a hat.
But he wasn't the son of god, because god doesn't exist. If he was a real person, he was merely a cult leader.
Dear Lord i am sorry for my ignorance please forgive me of all my sins, i am sorry about the things i say against you. I will try very hard to fallow you. Amen.
Dear Lord i am sorry for my ignorance please forgive me of all my sins, i am sorry about the things i say against you. I will try very hard to fallow you. Amen.
What?Your argument makes no sense, first you say that he is the Son of God and then you turn around and say he can't be because he was to feeble. That in and of its self contradicts eachother. Where did you get this information about Christ being feble?
What?Your argument makes no sense, first you say that he is the Son of God and then you turn around and say he can't be because he was to feeble. That in and of its self contradicts eachother. Where did you get this information about Christ being feble?
I said he can't be the son of god. You read the argument too quickly.
Well the same people you bealive about the bible portray him with long hair.
But I dont think he had long or short hair because I think it is more likely that Robin hood existed (exactly like he is described in the story´s ) than that Jesus existed.
These are just people who have never seen Jesus who just assume that he had long hair. If you would give me a source from a person who had seen Jesus then i would believe he had long hair.
well it is hard to see a person that never existed
and the point I am making isnt that some real guy had or hadnt long hair. The point is that All the church fathers have portrayed him as such, and shouldnt they have authority on this given that they actually concocted the bible out of many many other scrolls that got discarded in 325 Ad.
Now the real story goes like this. Only the Elite at the time read books (Gutenberg didnt invent the printing press until about 1500 years later - giving the public a chance to become literate) So they didnt have to worry so much about incongruencies. As ages passed and the general public got more evolved (meaning: smarter) the bible came unto more and more scrutiny until the enlightenment (when the Gutenberg revolution was really kicking in) people said "wait a minute... Our overloards have been pulling our tails for century´s. These story´s make no sense" and out of that came quantifyable science with all its technology to verify its accuracy.
But 2000 years of ignorance is a big hangover to get over, and some (dimwits) tend to grasp even harder onto "good old recognizable religion" because the complexity of our new world scares them.
One of the defining charecteristics of the religious is their lack of humor, and their distrust of everybody who is having fun. Probably because they feel alienated - since the choice they have made isnt fullfilling them at all and the only thing that keeps them going is the make belive story that they are going to get all the goodies when they die while the people who had fun are going to be punished.
You should let go of your fear. It is stifleing you
These are just people who have never seen Jesus who just assume that he had long hair. If you would give me a source from a person who had seen Jesus then i would believe he had long hair.
I'd trust these images as authoritative since there were no digital cameras two thousand years ago, and Jesus probably never existed anyway to see.
Well if you agree these artist never saw Jesus then he might of had short or medium
size hair. Yet Jesus exists even if there are no other document beside the Bible which is THE TRUTH.
It's possible that he was black or asian for all we know, but those images are all we have. There is no other reference for Jesus except in the bible, and we all know how unreliable that book is (unicorns and flat earth, anyone?).
The Bible is reliable. Do you know what the Ten Commandments say. Common Sense and you say the Bible is unreliable.
People don't rise from the dead. The heavens do not have windows which let the waters into the earth. The earth isn't flat with a dome. The bible teaches these things however.
Wow. I Think It Is More Likely THat Robin Hood Existed (exactly like he is described in the story's) Then Jesus Existed. Listen to yourself one of these days.
My children what am I going to do with you? You fight amongst yourselves, for what? My son had mid length not long hair. Long hair is down to the waist. There is no contradictions in my words, only disbelievers.
well, Jesus's hair was not long... like, down to his shoulders. He had a "hair of wool", so if he really did grow it out it would have been more like a Jew fro.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense, does it? haha. At first I was going to say that the Bible never actually says Jesus had long hair, but I heard just now that some historical documents may say that. If that's the case, then that does seem to be a contradiction. But you should probably verify that Jesus actually did have long hair, because I don't have a historical source, and the Bible never actually says his hair was long.
As far as I understand, this verse has to do with the culture of the New Testament times. And I think I've read "nature" translated as "your natures", which I suppose would mean that the culture of that time would support this whole hair rule.
See, from what I can gather(Although I have read this passage a while back, I looked it up on Biblegateway so I could know what I was talking about), this passage is establishing a role of woman as being somewhat under man, which of course I cannot agree with. It doesn't make woman a totally useless entity, since it goes on to say that neither sex is independent of the other, and that man comes from woman now, just as woman came from man(in the creation story). But it does still seem like this and other passages in the Bible say that woman is to be submitted to man, although not to the extent that many people have taken it. I'm not saying I agree with the amount of misogyny in there of course, just that the NT does seem to acknowledge that women are people, even if they are considered people who are to be under the authority of men. Bottom line: This passage, as far as I can tell, is one of several that shows misogyny in the Bible, but it should be acknowledged that the NT is not AS misogynistic as it has been taken to be. Sorry, that was kind of a little feminist tangent. ;]
Ridiculous argument particularly if your trying to use it to say the Bible is a " bad book." Also I just looked it up it does not say that the churches had such a practice rather that they had no such practice, meaning that it matters not.
Let me just say this the bible is not full of crap neither is it fictional humans believe that because we are sinners. The bible is 100% true therefore It cannot contradict itself. The reason you people think the bible contradicts its self is because you have never thoroughly studied it. The bible is like a complex puzzle when put together becomes clear.
Now with the case of Jesus having long hair That cannot be proven we don't know what kind of hair he had. Even if his hair went up to his shoulders the bible does not specify how long "short" is. People just cut it really short to be safe "better to be safe than sorry". of course there is also common sense "we cant just say that hair going down to our hips is short".
Now Samsung of course is an exception to this rule since its his covenant with god. To put it simply god and Samsung's mother made a deal in which if god gave her a son (With superhuman strength) then he couldn't have his hair cut. for example its like with privateers they were special pirates who were authorized by a government by letters of marque to attack and plunder foreign shipping during wartime.
I one of the comments I believe there was a misguided person who wrote that Jesus was a feeble man. That is not biblical it comes from satanism. Yes Jesus was poor but not feeble, normal. how dare you say that about the son of god well to be exact he is god, part of god since god is made up of three entities the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
Lastly the guy that compares the bible to a fairytale here is evidence and prophecies that have come true that proves the bible exists. Go here: http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/
here is the order I recommend you follow:
1)science section (especially if you believe in evolution)
2)total onslaught
3)rekindling the reformation
if you choose to watch the videos or not its not my problem. but I do not like when someone judges something without having the facts. haven't you ever heard the saying "never judge a book by its cover" and that goes to you people who say that they will go to hell. We have no right of judging them either since we are all sinners.
Also THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL that is something the roman catholic church made up. They mainly got that from greek mythology hades and from misinterpreting some parts of the bible.
once you die you die and when Christ comes he will revive all those who died and judge everyone dead and alive. there also is no afterlife or reincarnation that is all spiritism. as the saying goes "dead men tell no tales". and if you are asking "what about ghosts" and "my dead grandma who talked to me last weekend" they are all just demons masquerading as people we know. hello there are angels and demons in another dimension that we cannot see but they can see us and know everything we have done. don't forget satan is the master of deception.
"But their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened" Tell me, When you bash the Scripture and those whom follow it, wouldn't the quote above apply to you?