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Judge rules Obamacare is unconstitutional
Federal Judge kills Obamacare
If the ruling holds up on appeal, Obamacare is dead. As a doorknob. Not just the mandate or some other particular provisions. He killed the WHOLE THING.
Duh
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I can make you buy things
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Bronto, you are a fucking LIAR. William A. Jacobson is not a judge. See:- William A. Jacobson is an American lawyer, professor, and conservative blogger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WilliamA.Jacobson Here is the Media Bias Fact Check analysis on Jacobson's blog:- Factual Reporting: MIXED Legal Insurretion uses a good deal of loaded language in its headlines and within its articles. Their articles/commentaries are mainly from right wing sources and bloggers giving opinions on current news. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ He's a far right political shill with zero credibility. Side: Duh
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I know you’re right when you attack the source instead of the content I know you're wrong because you can't make any point without purposefully misusing language. For example, you have been presented with evidence that the OP is using sources which are not credible publishers of factual information, and have arbitrarily reinterpreted that as an "attack". In short, you are a stupid Jew prick who can't debate a point without inventing your own version of English. Side: I can make you buy things
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But I have to wonder if the fact that William Jacobson is not a Judge changes the ruling of Judge Reed O’Connor I have to wonder if you really are stupid enough to be arguing that the ruling of Judge Reed O'Connor is being accurately represented by a blog which has an "extreme" level of right wing bias and a "mixed" record for factual reporting. Side: I can make you buy things
you are a fucking LIAR. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn. Side: I can make you buy things
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National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 (2012), was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision in which the Court upheld Congress' power to enact most provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NationalFederationofIndependentBusinessv.Sebelius Side: Duh
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Does Medicare for all mean people who refuse to work and illegal aliens? Hello Q: YES... You won't have to show your "papers" or your tax return before they'll treat you. That's the way it SHOULD be.. Medicare is HEALTH program.. It's NOT a police agency. It's NOT a church. It's NOT a place to punish people.. excon Side: I can make you buy things
Cool. So if a foreigner needs a $500,000 surgery, we'll cover it, and they'll raise your taxes to cover it. I wonder how many it will take thwarting our border laws to bankrupt the country and leave you and your family with nothing. Your kids will be taxed into oblivion, but oh well. At least you feel good about leaving them nothing to cover your multiculturism tithe. Side: Duh
Cool. So if a foreigner needs a $500,000 surgery, we'll cover it, and they'll raise your taxes to cover it. Hello bront: Couple things... Here's how it works.. Medicare for all sets the prices - NOT the doctors.. Consequently, a $500,000 surgery would cost a couple $1,000. That's just ONE of the benefits the country gets.. As I said earlier, Medicare for all is NOT a police agency.. It is NOT a church.. It's NOT a place for a country to reap vengeance on a population it doesn't like.. excon Side: I can make you buy things
Couple things... Here's how it works.. Medicare for all sets the prices - NOT the doctors.. Except that the actual items used to fight cancer cost more than your numbers. The government can say a surgery costs $5, but the items still have to be paid for. They can only be paid for by taxation. And the more people that come, the more they have to tax you to cover the costs. You do understand that "the government covers the costs and it's free" means you covered the costs through taxes? The government has no money of its own... Denmark's tax rate is 60.4%. They got free, shitty healthcare, but...they have nothing else. That's how they pay for it. But forget all that. I'll let you in on a secret. If you'd let us inforce the border and immigration laws, you would have gotten free healthcare decades ago. You can't have a welfare state and lax immigration laws like ours. You'll tank the country financially. Is it not okay to actually learn each time we see Europe fuck up and turn their systems into dumpster fires... Immigration and welfare fears merge as Sweden lurches to the right Side: Duh
Except that the actual items used to fight cancer cost more than your numbers. The government can say a surgery costs $5 Hello again, bront: I don't think you understand.. If the PAYER says a surgery costs $5, THAT'S what it costs.. But, let's not get crazy here.. Whatever an MRI machine COSTS, minus a profit is what it COSTS, and that's what Medicare will pay... The realignment includes ALL aspects of health care.. excon Side: I can make you buy things
I don't think you understand.. If the PAYER says a surgery costs $5, THAT'S what it costs.. But, let's not get crazy here.. Whatever an MRI machine COSTS, minus a profit is what it COSTS, and that's what Medicare will pay... The realignment includes ALL aspects of health care.. Let's forget the fact that the doctors still aren't free, and won't work or become doctors for crumbs, and the fact that your system would have us rationing care and meds like its going out of style. You still have to cover every single illegal, regardless of physical cost. That cost will sky rocket once those south of the border find out about the Mecca up north that does free cancer surgery. You know why we have good doctors Con? Because being a doctor pays well. Guess what kind of doctors you get when being a doctor pays shit. Free shitty doctors, and that's post being taxed into oblivion. Side: Duh
Let's forget the fact that the doctors still aren't free, and won't work or become doctors for crumbs, Hello bront: Again, I don't think you understand.. If Medicare says a doctors visit is worth $100, THAT'S what it's worth.. Will people who want to get RICH choose the health professions?? NO, and good riddance.. Doctors should be doctors because they wanna TREAT disease - NOT get rich.. Look.. I've HEARD your arguments.. I don't buy them.. In fact, MY solution for Medicare for all WOULD pay for EVERYTHING for EVERYBODY with money left over for a couple aircraft carriers.. I think you've seen it.. It's not complicated, cause I'm not a complicated guy.. But I can ADD.. excon Side: I can make you buy things
Again, I don't think you understand.. If Medicare says a doctors visit is worth $100, THAT'S what it's worth.. Doesn't matter. The actual cost still has to be paid. China doesn't send you $500 worth of meds for $5 because you say their worth $5. They still charge us $500. Will people who want to get RICH choose the health professions?? NO, and good riddance.. Doctors should be doctors because they wanna TREAT disease - NOT get rich.. This is idealism and not reality. Why do you think we have to import so many foreign doctors? 1)Because even with high salaries, most people don't want to go to medical school for 8 years. Most people don't want to be doctors, regardless of your mythical standards. 2)Because we don't have enough quality doctors. You are making a utopian assumption that great doctors will appear if you butcher their wages. Seriously? Look.. I've HEARD your arguments.. I don't buy them.. Will foreign countries sell you medicine for $5 because you say those medicines are only worth $5? Yes or no? Side: Duh
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National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 (2012), was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision in which the Court upheld Congress' power to enact most provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NationalFederationofIndependentBusinessv.Sebelius Side: I can make you buy things
It looks like you just admitted that what Obama did was unconstitutional. Hello L: Look.. There are MANY layers to the law BEFORE a FINAL determination that it's unconstitutional.. SCOTUS has the final say, and they already ruled that Obamacare WAS Constitutional.. That's what I admit - NOTHING more. Look.. I'm not here to convince you.. I'm here to report what's so. excon Side: I can make you buy things
SCOTUS has the final say, and they already ruled that Obamacare WAS Constitutional SCOTUS has new members since this judgement. You know...the guy you and CNN said was going to get rid of abortion, then voted for Planned Parenthood...ahem... But alas, bronto knows that Obama never said it was a tax. Bronto also knows a penalty, the word Obama used to describe it, isn't a tax. Wait...look...CNN agrees with me. I wonder how much money went under the table to get that ruling... Ya know. With people like that working for the government, I'd sure love to give them more power and control. They won't get rich and screw us off of it. Naaaah. Let's raise taxes and feed their pockets more. Right Con? Side: Duh
I'd sure love to give them more power and control Hello bront: DUDE.. Your INSURANCE company has that power right NOW. Lemme explain how Medicare for all works.. You get sick. You see your doctor.. He treats you. He sends the bill to Medicare. Medicare PAYS it.. It's simple... When EVERYBODY is covered for EVERYTHING, there's NO administration needed except a printing press to write the checks.. Now, it IS true.. They WILL have the POWER to STOP people from getting rich in the health care industry.. I'm cool with that.. excon Side: I can make you buy things
Hello again, bront: Lemme ask you this.. WHO controls the price of milk? The DAIRY FARMERS or the GOVERNMENT? I'll help. It's the government.. They DO that by being the BIGGEST buyer of milk in the country, and it SETS the price it's gonna pay.. That's what the farmers sell it for, or they DON'T sell it at all.. You do understand that, don't you? excon Side: Duh
(Lemme ask you this.. WHO controls the price of milk? The DAIRY FARMERS or the GOVERNMENT? I'll help. It's the government Your problem is? We don't have to import milk. We do have to import medication. You can screw over the farmer. He might go out of business. He might not. The doctor WON'T work doctor's hours and do surgery for peanuts. He and his buddies will go do an easy job for peanuts instead. Who's left to do surgery on you? Oh, it's me. I'll cut you open for peanuts. You ready? I learned on an internet site class that I took last week. Oh, and we can't ration you enough meds because China didn't accept us saying their meds were only worth $5. They said $500. You need 30 pills, but here's half of one. Enjoy. Let me take a class on how to stitch you up real quick. Side: Duh
Some doctors will QUIT because the gravy train is over. Others will hire on to serve their fellowman.. Right. That's why they don't do it now despite shortages... You don't sign on out of the goodness of your heart. No one you know signs on from the goodness of their heart. Why is that Con? Because you are making up a fairytale? Side: Duh
Government sets a price floor on milk. That means the price can’t go below what they want. That creates a surplus, which the government then buys up. That’s why there is “free” milk in jails and schools, because milk cost everyone else more than it otherwise would. If you put a price ceiling on medical procedures, and demand that it. It cost more than a certain amount, you will have a shortage in that market. That’s how other countries end up with long waiting lines. If you make a $500,000 procedure cost only $1,000, not many people will get it because the wait will be too long. Since you are willing to see all the “greedy” doctors leave without their “gravy train” the shortage will be further compounded. Your “plan” is how people actually end up dying in the streets. Side: Duh
Lemme explain how Medicare for all works.. You get sick. You see your doctor.. He treats you. He sends the bill to Medicare. Medicare PAYS it.. It's simple.. Medicare isn't a magic free money tree. It's paid for with taxes. They take from YOUR pocket, then offer others part of it and you part of YOUR own money. By this logic, you'd think I was a great guy if I stole your wallet, then offered you half. What a nice guy bronto is! He paid for my surgery out of his pocket, $250! Hey Con. In the example, I got the $250 from you. I'm now going to go pay someone else's expense with the other $250 I took from you. Aren't I a great guy? Didn't that feel free as hell? You didn't have to pay anything! Golly gee wiz... Oh crap. Another guy needs his expenses too. I'll just take $600 from you next time and hand out some more of that free healthcare. You won't have to pay a dime Con. Not a dime... Ooooh damn. The good doctor from last month quit because he wasn't making any money. Oh well, where's the dog at? Fido? Do you know how to do surgery on Con? You do? Do you do it from your heart and not for money? You do??? Great! Well you're the only doctor we have, so go ahead. Cut him open. Side: Duh
Medicare isn't a magic free money tree. It's paid for with taxes Hello again, bront: Yes, it is.. But, MY plan doesn't require any new taxes at all.. It's totally funded by the portion of our health care dollar that is NO LONGER going to the health insurance industry.. There'll even be money left over to buy an aircraft carrier or two.. It's really simple.. Right NOW the money you spend on health care is SHARED by your doctor and your insurance company.. My plan will take the insurance industry totally OUT of the equation, resulting in savings of trillions of $$'s.
It's not difficult.. Math is like that. excon Side: I can make you buy things
But, MY plan doesn't require any new taxes at all Supporting an influx of covered illegals that continues to grow requires more taxes. It's not difficult.. Math is like that. Right. That's why people hire accountants and Obama and Bush put us $20 trillion in debt. Because you see...math is easy.... Side: Duh
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