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Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the religion of peace
l so in Islamic country's not only is it a corporal and in some cases capital crime for a women to be Raped (like that is her fault?) but if they complain about their sentence (usually called an appeal here in America) they get a worse one. Remind me why the HELL have we have not glassed the Middle East yet if ever there was a region of the world deserving of a nuclear holocost it's the middle east.
well it seems like theres one rule for us and one rule for them and if anyone has anything to say about it your wrong and there right they dont like to see a point of view on any other cultures
So that's the solution just destroy them men ,women ,children and this proves what ? Have you no sympathy for the women that have to indure these sufferings? It's grossly unfair to tarnish every individual because some people carry out abhorrent practices. Again it's the easy way just target the lot and destroy them......
Intangible I'm surprised at you from what I've seen your very fair in your debating style, and I understand you don't want to see more suffering, but do you not think there might be a better way ?
At first I thought, "Steal all of the women and the children", but then i thought "some of the men are innocent to, so it wouldn't be fair to just leave them to" and then i thought, "Oh.. we can't steal people...or can we?", and then I thought, "this is too much work for a most likely futile mission, so let's just blow it up!"
I see what your saying , and I will admit its a tricky problem over here Ireland we are still going through peace talks integration etc up north , it's a long process .Teaching kids respect for each other's culture seems to be helping.I think a lot of these animals are brainwashed by there holy men and will remain the animals they are until they stop teaching from there dreadful holy book they are bearded fanatics and would not mind seeing them get a good going over .Would hate to see the women and kids get wiped though.
I just love the fact that his reasoning for wiping out the whole population of the Middle East is to defend the Women who get punished for being raped etc, in the words of Mr Spock, "it's most illogical"
Imagine these idiotic creatures who control countries and people are being influenced by a book written by flea ridden bronze age goatherds .... Now that's scary my friend
It is pretty insane, that's why I think separation of Church and State is important we seem to have got it about right in the UK even though we have a state church it doesn't control anything that happens in government and Religion rarely enters into what happens in governing the country. I've always found America to be an interesting one, even though they have the separation of Church and State, religion is still a governing force for a lot of Americans and a lot of them could not contemplate having a President who is not Christian which all seems a bit bizarre.
I believe in freedom of religion/belief and that is why I don't think religion should enter government or law making, no one religion should have power over another and law making should be made using logic.
I agree again here in Ireland at last the Catholic Churches strangle hold is all but dead . yes i think if an american running for the presidents job said he was atheist , he wouldn't have a chance , be like saying he'd had a sex change !
I think a religious belief can be counter productive in high office as surely it has to influence your decisions making .
Just look at the shitstorm that happened when Obamma was first elected all the people calling for him to prove he was a Christian and not a Muslim, what does it matter as long as he runs the country right if he fucks that up then yes give him shit for it but his religion should be irrelevant as long as it doesn't interfere with running the country.
I dunno for some an Atheist would be worse but for a lot of Americans anything but a Christian would be the downfall of America, even if they did the job perfectly a lot of people would see it as against American values
It would be OK it they would be willing to stay in the middle east, but they don't they mass immigrate to the Europe but also packing with themselves they 7th century moral and forcing it on Europe.
What is the point in letting them in? No skills, usually illiterate, sick and backward, just unemployable.
It is very unlikely that they will advance to our level, they are threat you cannot build a fence around Middle East therefore it would be logical to annihilate them. According to their beliefs they would end up in heaven.
You do realise there are Muslims born out side of the Middle East, what do you propose is done with them? Once the Middle East is wiped out and all your "illiterate,sick, backward, unemployable"ones are gone what happens? Islam will still be there, the western bred, highly educated, healthy, forward thinking, wealthy Muslim what now?
If you think that there are only 100-200 Muslims outside of the middle east I don't think I'll bother debating with you until you come back with a bit of grounding in reality.
So using your logic Britain would have been justified in nuking Northern Ireland during the troubles to prevent terrorism or in the past the American government nuking the South to get rid of the problem of segregation and racism.
You are no better than the people you hate if genocide is your answer to the problems in the middle east, you'd have got on well with Hitler
The degree of human rights violations that occur in that God forsaken sand pit are unlike anywhere els in the world women there are lucky if they get the kind of legal protection a slave had here. Its sick those "people" are sick.
That "debate" hardly refutes mine, genocide is not the answer and someone who insists it is is hardly the follower of a peaceful religion.
It was also that "god forsaken sand pit" that spawned christianity so by destroying it you would be destroying the birth place of Christ and the holy land.
When I call for it's destruction I don't do it from a religious stand point so it does not reflect on my religion. And we could use tactical low yield war heads to target only the high density populated areas to avoid damaging historically significant locations.
Considering Christianity is meant to be a peaceful religion its followers should be peaceful so a Christian calling for the destruction of a whole group of nations does reflect on their religion. The same way that if a Muslim does something bad it reflects badly on Islam as I'm sure you would make a big deal of
I would only make a big deal about it if it were carried out in the name of Islam. I'm calling for these animals to be put down in the name of human rights and common fucking decency.
Well why stop with them then, why not round up every group we find that includes someone we find distasteful and destroy that whole group, Hitler had a similar idea with the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and Disabled.
Not every single Muslim no. But Islam in general, and Muslims in general, the Middle East is home to more human rights violations than any other region of the world. Are you seriously going to stand up for and defend a religion that sentences women to death by flogging or stoning for being raped? Or just driving a car? Surely you think that is atrocious don't you?
I agree human rights violations are terrible and I have never defended them but genocide which you have been calling for is not the answer and branding a whole group of people as animals or evil because of the actions of some members of that group is not on either and I will defend the innocent from unfair bigotry. I also find your stance on Islam very hypocritical you criticise all of Islam the innocent and guilty for human rights violations but insist on defending Christians guilty of the same crimes.
I only criticise those guilty of something and speak out against unfair treatment of the innocent.
Look at the Middle East the majority of the world's Muslims live there and its a Godforsaken shot whole locked in the grips of a destructive ever war because the Muslims can't leave other poeple or even each other alone. I mean I know there was infighting in Christianity when the Protestants broke away and that the infighting was literal warfare but we got over it and learned to get along why can't the Muslims? Because they don't want to.
But a lot of Christians still refuse to follow Christ's teachings and get along with others, look at yourself you hate all Muslims and brand the whole of the middle east a shit hole, even though you have previously admitted to me that you don't know any Muslims and have never been to the middle east!!
I'm aware of the goins on of the world I know of the human rights violations that occur there daily. I cannot get along with people whom I find so thoroughly morally repugnant as to brutally kill a women for being raped. The closest thing I can equate these animals to are the tuskan raiders from Star Wars.
Using your analogy that makes the Empire the Catholic Church and the Emperor Pope (just look at that rich history of subjugating and destroying those who disagree and betraying those who support you)
The modern church is more like the rebel alliance. Just trying to do what's right. Yes the church has dark points in its history but at least we moved past that. Unlike the Muslims who are still for the most part in the dark ages.
And what do you base this extraordinary diagnosis on? I know Drs and Dentists who don't believe in killing for any reason, are definitely not simpletons and are Muslim.
Just because some Muslims have chosen to kill for Islam that does not make them all guilty.
You know, the reason Islam gets so much bad rep is because most of it's followers are extremists. It's just as bad as other religions (Christianity) when taken to the extreme
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a pretty well-known terrorist organization in India. They have a reputation for forcefully converting people to Christianity. They also killed a large number of Hindus back in 2000. They're still classified as one of the ten most active terrorist organizations in the World.
The Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA) is another Christian extremist group with a similar reputation to the NLFT, as far as forcing people to convert.
The 2011 Norway killings (77 dead, 151 injured) were carried out by a man who claimed to be a "Christian Crusader".
Then you have the KKK, who is still active. You also have different extremist Christian militia groups around the world... and then there's the homicidal maniacs who base their actions off of their Christian beliefs.
Those pale in comparison to Islam. The KKK are you fucking kidding me? Look The other groups you mentioned are legit I'll give you that, the Norway guy? I don't really count lone wolfs, But the fucking KKK? Ha! If they are Legit terrorists then so are fucking PETA. The KKK of today is a joke, a fucking laughing stalk a national fucking punch line. Come on noone takes them seriously anymore. Besides they are or rather were racial terrorists. But even given the examples you've given you have to take into account that many of the abuses I'm railing against are not carried out by one of the thousands of Muslim terrorist groups they are being perptirarted by Islamic governments, these are examples of what happens when you put these fucking animals in charge.
I don't think it is Islam that is the problem. Radical Islam is obviously a problem, but so is any radical religion. The Middle East has always been a mess. Keep in mind that Christianity, Judaism and Islam were all initially Middle Eastern religions. Most of those countries have remained poor and corrupt. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that America is evil, so their hate towards us is for other reasons. Your view is deluded. Imagine if Radical Christianity were to gain power in our country. It would be a mess! Well, that's what has happened over in the Middle East. Radical Muslims have gained most of the power over there and ruined regular Islam's reputation.
"Radical Christianity" would be a positive thing. Because Chrst taught to love each other unlike Muhammad who was a genocidal mad man with a God complex.
But unfortunately a lot of Christians seem to misunderstand the message and radical or fundamental Christianity ends with bombings, shootings and murders.
If Christ taught people to love each other why are you calling for all Muslims to be wiped out the good with the bad, should you not be more like Christ and love rather than hate, you are living proof that radical Christianity is not always a good thing
It would be if the so called radicle actually followed the bible. My point being the bible teaches peace if the bible were to be truly followed that would be a good thing. The Koran on the other hand is all about how Muhammad killed people for not being Muslim. Whereas Jesus used love and kindness to spread his faith Muhammad used fear, intimidation, and the threat of execution. Radical Islam is a continuation of Muhammad's conquest. "Radical Christianity" as your refer I g to it is a miss representation of what Christianity teaches. And before you say "so is radical Islam" no it's not. The things Muhammad did in the Koran are the same things there Islamic radicals are doing now. The things that Jesus did couldn't be more different from what these "Christian radicals" are doing now.
The Bible is not entirely peaceful. Just look at Old Testament... but if you do a complete overview, you will find that The Bible has more violent passages than the Qur'an. The Bible having 842 violent passages, where as the Qur'an has 333. If you break that down into verses, the Bible has 31,102 violent verses and the Qur'an has 6,236. Now percentage-wise, the Qur'an is about 5% violent, the Bible is close to 3%. Number-wise, the Bible exposes it's readers to more violence, but the Qur'an is more violent in regards to it's length.
If you compare the Bible and the Qur'an, they aren't much different. Christians always go on and on about how the Qur'an condemns those who don't believe in Allah, but the Bible does the exact same thing... here's the thing though, the radicals don't seem to understand that Christians DO believe in Allah. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all believe in the same God. Christians call him God, Jews call him Yahweh and Muslims call him Allah. It's the messenger/prophet/messiah that they don't agree on. Jews disregard Jesus as the messiah. They think he was just a man. Christians consider him to be the messiah... and Muslims consider him to be a prophet who ascended to Heaven. Muslims and Christians actually have a more similar interpretation of Jesus than Jews and Christians! Islam owes it's existence to Judaism and Christianity.
First of all the Old Testament was written about a period in time before Christ's forgiveness. When the sin of a single human reflected apon humanity as a whole and when sin got bad enough all of humanity would face punishment (Noah's flood) so sin was punished much more harshly and the nations that were seen as being sinful had to be destroyed basicly as a matter of survival. But that's all different now that Jesus died for our sins.
A Christian hijacked a plane in Mexico in 2009, Christians have also been guilty of blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors, they've blown up hotels and numerous car bombings and in Rwanda many Christians were involved in the genocide during the civil war. Also chrisyians calling for the destruction of the middle east, christianity peaceful religion my arse!!
The Middle East should be destroyed its a HELL HOLE women are flogged for excepting rides from men they aren't married to. And stoned to death for being raped, its a den of savage animals. Yes there have been some isolated act of terror linked to lone wolf extremists and small extremist groups within Christianity but these pale in comparison to the prevalence of extremism in Islam.
If it was just lone wolf extremists your argument might have some substance but when there have been large well funded christian extremist groups shooting people and blowing them up for years and the church itself getting involved in the genocide in Rwanda it kind of shows Christianity or any religion is as prone to be as dangerous as Islam
Islamic terrorism dwarfs anything you could come up with for Christianity. Yes Christianity is vulnerable to extremism and violence but Islam is fucking founded on those things. Muhammad himself was a homicidal extremist.
This battle isn't between Christians and Muslims, it's between those who want peace and those who don't, and you are on the wrong side of that battle. Anyone who wants to blow up a large section of the planet is clearly not on the side of peace.
Nicely put I've been trying to explain things to this guy for ages and I've tried drawing comparisons between christinities bloody history and Islam but he just dismisses anything bad about Christianity with dodgy rhetoric but you have hit the nail on the head with just a couple of short sentence's.
You have a strange definition of peace if you think it can only be reached by murdering millions of people. I've heard that the devil often claims to be the voice of God, and that's it's sometimes hard for us mere mortals to tell the difference, but I think a good rule of thumb is that, if your god is telling you to kill people, he's probably the wrong god.
More than 3'700 people were killed and 1'800 injured over 30 years of Catholic terrorism in the UK and Ireland, these are just estimates as there are people still missing and a lot of people injured in Kneecappings and other assaults were too afraid to come forward.
There is also the Rwandan genocide which was supported by the Christian church in Rwanda whose members also joined in the murders death toll estimated at 50'000 - 1000'000
Compare that to the death toll of Muslim terrorism and that figure is nothing. Also I demand that you support your outrageous claim that the Rwandan genocide which was an ethnic cleansing was supported by Christianity.
That's ludicrous. It was an ethnic cleansing you moron. Listen let me educate you a little on history. In the region now known as the country of Rwanda there are two ethnic tribes the Tutsi and the Hutu, these two tribes hate one another and have rivals for centuries. But the Tutsi always outnumbered the Hutu so when the French colonized Rwanda the Hutu supported their rule as a result when the the French granted Rwanda independence they put the Hutu in charge. The Hutu now in power began a campaign of hate and slander against the Tutsi, when the Hutu president was killed the Hutu blamed the Tutsi majority and thus a genocide of ethnic cleansing began. You see it was an ethnic genocide caused by European colonial meddling going in African society. And tribal hatred. Not religion.
I am aware of what happened in Rwanda and I am aware that both the Protestant and Catholic church were not only complicit but actively involved in the murders, members of both church's have been charged and even the Pope has apologised. Why would the Pope apologise if the church had not been involved? Yes the genocide was politically and racially driven but the church was involved, bury your head in the sand and ignore it if you want but that won't stop it being true.
Because certain priests in Rwanda got involved in the genocide (due to reasons of tribal/ethnic hatred more than religious fervor) but still they supported it. However that's not a reflection of the Church because their support as I said before was based on tribal/ethnic hatred not religious belief as Islamic terrorism is.
There's none so blind as those that won't see, I've shown you the ugly truth that lies behind religious fanaticism and that all religions are guilty of it, you refuse to accept it and blame the worlds evils on Islam and hate all Muslims because of this twisted worldview, I truly feel sorry for you that this is the way you see the world its sad. I've tried to help but your obviously blinded by your hatred and anger and there's not a lot more I can do just remember that holding onto anger is like holding a hot coal whilst planning on throwing it at your enemy.
I said that Islam is fucked and middle easterners are fucked and many Muslims around the world are fucked. But what I didn't say is not ALL Muslims are fucked I recently read an article about some Muslims who stood up in the defense of the Christian minority in Pakistan by literally forming a human shield in front of a church. I don't know what prompted these followers of the Religion of Genocide to do something so frankly unislamic but thank God they didn't take there psychotic prophet seriously. These skimmers of the Koran are okay in my book.
So you stance has shuffled on from all Muslims are evil to all middles easterners are fucked, does that include the Jews and Christians? So are you no longer calling for genocide and the destruction of all Muslims? Out of interest you previously told me you never had read the Koran and had no interest in reading it, I just wondered when you changed you mind and took the time to read the complete teachings of Islam to be able to understand exactly what it means.
Okay first of all the Koran is written in Arabic so no I haven't read it second of all I have studied Islam and generally speaking I still think it's the most evil, violent, fucked up, and backwards religion out there but at least there are some Muslims that despite the teachings of their murderous prophet still manage to some how be good people. And for the record the Christians and Jews in the Middle East are good I just meant the Muslim middle easterners who are constantly trying to kill them and each other.
Unless you have read the texts for yourself you dont know what they say and the Koran has been translated into English because there are many Muslims who cant read Arabic. Have you been to Israel and seen how the Israelis treat act? A Jewish friend of mine said it made him ashamed to be jewish, a lot of Jews are constantly trying to kill Muslims why do you think Jews are good and Muslims are bad?
Muhammad declared war on his own family because they would not convert to Islam, the Koran says that criticizing Islam is worse than murder. In truth Islam is no better than nazi ideology.
You admit to having never read the Koran so you are not in a position to comment or criticise when you have read the book and know everything in context then you will be in a position to comment on what it contains.
A lot of bible stories when taken on their own make pretty nasty reading, in a lot of the Bible God comes across as being a bit of a bastard but Christians always argue the stories cannot be taken on their own they must be read in context with the rest of the texts to get the true meaning of Gods love, why are people allowed to pick and choose from the Koran and not the Bible?