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Liberate now Follow the plan
Debate Score:13
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Total Votes:16
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Liberate now or Follow the plan?

Trump's reopening plan says:
Before Proceeding to Phased Opening:
- Downward trajectory of cases reported within a 14-day period
- Treat all patients without crisis care
- Robust testing program in place for at-risk healthcare workers, including emerging antibody testing
So, why is he telling states to reopen before they meet those?

Liberate now

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Follow the plan

Side Score: 10
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I'm glad he's loosening the restrictions but the country never should of be shutdown for a virus that kills less than the common flu! And people are filming their hospitals all of the country and finding most hospitals are empty. Also they did not isolate covid-19 and the test will test positive if you ever had any of the viruses in corona family. If you had the common flu you already have cornoavirus in your body. So until they isolate covid-19 the test are useless! In my opinion this was done to mess are economy up and believe its so democrats can steal the election. That's why they keep on saying a 2nd wave is most likely in the fall and guess what just in time for the election! And sorry no reason to shut down the whole economy for less than 1% of the population! Never happened in history why is it happening now?

Side: Liberate now
1 point

the country never should of be shutdown for a virus that kills less than the common flu!

You don't know how many people it kills because it is a new virus you utterly pig ignorant idiot. You are literally making up your own reality. Between October 2019 and April 2020, between 24,000 and 62,000 Americans died from flu. Between February 2020 and April 2020 coronavirus has killed over 50,000 Americans.

Stop lying and shut your pointless face please.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Side: Follow the plan
1 point

Whatever sources you are using for "news" aren't doing you any favors.

"kills less than the common flu"

Incorrect. In the US, the average flu kills less than 40,000 in a year long season:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

We already have over 50,000 deaths in less than 3 months even with the lockdown measures.

"most hospitals are empty"

Whenever you hear something weird/shocking/etc. (esp. on social media), before passing it on as truth, you should look for a contrary opinion and evaluate the various sides of the issue. e.g.:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/03/facebook-posts/hospital-beds-being-kept-empty-prepare-covid-influ/

"If you had the common flu you already have cornoavirus in your body."

Also, completely wrong.

What they are probably talking about is that the receptor-binding domain of this virus is very similar to the SARS virus from 2003, and there is some evidence that people who contracted SARS back then may still have antibodies that might fight this version. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20021386v1.full.pdf

There were only about 10,000 cases of that SARS worldwide, so this would not be heavily skewing the results today.

It is much more likely to get false negatives:

"False negatives can occur up to 30% of the time with different PCR tests"

https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/features/types-of-covid-19-test-antibody-pcr-antigen/

Do we still need better tests - absolutely.

Do the tests give positive results for anyone who has had any flu - absolutely not.

"In my opinion this was done to mess are economy up and believe its so democrats can steal the election."

In your made-up conspiracy based on ignoring all relevant facts, is Donald Trump in on it? All scientists? The entire world?

Did scary Nancy Pelosi go to China, extract virus from bats, modify it, inject it into pangolins, then extract it again and inject into Chinese people that were bound for the USA? While making sure that that it is deadly enough but not too deadly so it just hurts the economy?

Did she factor in that it will make it hard for the Democratic candidate to campaign and that a crisis often creates a rally around the current leader effect, etc.?

Just because you can't keep up with reality doesn't mean you should make one up.

"they keep on saying a 2nd wave is most likely in the fall and guess what just in time for the election"

People are speculating about COVID picking up during the colder months because that is very typical of some flus:

https://www.insider.com/when-is-flu-season

We don't have any idea yet about the seasonality of this virus - including whether cases will even go down this summer, but there is some early indication that it tends to cluster in cooler drier areas.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52121376

"Never happened in history"

They did implement social distancing restrictions for the 1918 flu - cities that lifted restrictions too early saw a second spike.

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582

Side: Follow the plan

Because he cares more about trying to turn it into something he can use for the election, than actually doing what experts told him would be the right thing to do.

Side: Follow the plan
0 points

Because he cares more about trying to turn it into something he can use for the election, than actually doing what experts told him would be the right thing to do.

Not gonna work. The fake outrage of the left has been instilled into an entire generation of Conservatives born giving the double barrel middle finger to the left when it tries cancel culture, virtue signaling, and fake outrage. The point? Sit and spin. Toodles.

Side: Liberate now
2 points

So, no answer??

If healthcare workers are saying they are still overwhelmed, why would be actively trying to make it worse for them?

Side: Follow the plan
1 point

Not gonna work. The fake outrage of the left

Lol. Why would the left be faking outrage? I'm on the left and I literally cannot stand you. I'd end your life in a heartbeat if somebody gave me a gun and promised I'd get away with shooting you. You are a toxic stain on the progress of humanity and you work every day as hard as you possibly can to drag it back to the fascist era, by spamming the internet with page after page after page of outrageous lies, unhinged hate speech and infantile rhetoric. You are very literally mad, and if your idiocratic society didn't rely on that fact to keep itself mechanically operational, you would presently be living in a psychiatric institution.

Side: Follow the plan