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Debate Score:28
Arguments:13
Total Votes:35
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Libertarian vs. Green Party

Two extremes in their epic battle

The Libertarian party takes a far left social aspect and a far right Economic aspect with some other issues in between.

They are isolationists, meaning they are against getting into any problems of other countries. This is why many extreme libertarians are against the Iraq War.

Socially they are liberal in the aspect that they just don't care at all about your values. They believe the government shouldn't go by values but by what's most logical. They are against abortion (in order to protect the rights of the fetus) and against the death penalty. They believe in legalizing some drugs, prostitution, suicide, and are against any form of social government spending.

They believe in libertarian capitalism (the Lincoln Republican days) and believe that the market is the true solution to the world's problems (well, it did fix Russia).

They are strict constitutionalists and love guns, hate the patriot act, and love the word Fuck. /b/ describes Libertarianism as "Anarchism for Rich People".

Some Libertarians are:

Ron Paul (extreme)

Penn (average kind)

Bill Mahr (or however you spell his name, but i find it bullshit, since he wants wealth redistribution and wants gun control)

The Green Party is based on environmentalism but that is not their only issue (just what their name comes from).

They are known as the most extreme kinds of Secular Progressives that still have brains and a job.

They believe in strong control over the market to make sure that poverty levels become virtually nonexistent. They are strong supporters of income distribution and believe in major government spending. Basically, the 90% tax right on the wealthy is a favorite for them. They believe in elimination of God from any government action, such as the Pledge of Allegiance and "So help me God" in oaths.

Like the Libertarians, they wish to legalize hemp (but, that's it on the forefront, but i can guarantee that average Greens wanna legalize all drugs and probably prostitution). They believe in strict gun control, and if possible, the banning of guns. Like Libertarians, they are also against the Patriot Act, but for strong oversight on the Market and the folks on Wall Street. they are not Isolationists, and are actually Humanitarians. they believe in sending money to poor countries and taking down evil governments with non-violent approaches. Missionaries are the only religious people they support. They are against the War in Iraq, and are pacifists on the most part.

Secular Humanists/Progressives would be the best description for them, and also Environmentalists.

The Green Party is really the modern, more industrialized Hippie.

Libertarian Party

Side Score: 17
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Green Party

Side Score: 11

I didn't even bother reading the description. Libertarian all the way! ;)

Side: Libertarian Party

OK, I read the description. Libertarian all the way!

Side: Libertarian Party

Libertarians are socially liberal & fiscally conservative.

They are pro-choice. They believe that abortions are a women's right. They are against both moral & political censorship.

They are pro-military. They support having a strong military & going to war when necessary. They are capitalists. They support gun rights & oil drilling.

That's why I'm libertarian

Side: Libertarian Party
lunacyfrog Disputed
1 point

Not all libertarians are pro choice and not all are pro life.

The fundamental principle of libertarianism is respect for the rights of the individual.

Pro-life libertarians view an unborn child as an individual whose right to life must be protected at all costs.

Pro-choice libertarians do not view a fetus as an individual but of course views the mother as an individual whose right to choose must be protected at all costs.

Side: Libertarian Party
1 point

It's funny how you can see the members who classically argue on the conservative side of issues line up over here, and the ones who usually argue on the liberal side, go to the green party.

All things balanced out, I'm more Libertarian than Green Party, even though I'm Liberal since Bush '04.

The environment is important. But censorship is total bullshit, and people should be allowed to say and do whatever the fuck they want as long as no one is hurt. Plus the Iraq war is bullshit, and Libertarians are a little more vocal about just how shitty it is. I don't believe in redistribution of wealth, that's dumb. I do believe that in the richest country in the world, no child should be homeless, but some are, so I'm somewhere in between on that.

There. If anyone cared. That said, Go Obama!

Side: bullshit
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Both anti-aborition and pro-abortion choice Libertarians believe the fetus is a live human with human rights... the difference is that the anti-abortion Libertarians believe that the mother's life is subserviant to the state and the fetus. A pro-abortion choice Libertarian believes that the mother has the right to deny the fetus if she chooses at any point in its development, since it is only living because of her charity. Forcing someone to give charity against their will is un-Libertarian.

Side: Libertarian Party
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Side: Libertarian Party
4 points

I feel that right now, AT THIS TIME in America, the issues that matter and are most affecting our country are most supported by the Green Party:

Employment

Environment

Equality

Empowerment

Empathy

Not to say the other issues don't matter, but right now we need to think more about the world, people, and future and less selfishly.

Note that I don't like any of the local or national candidates offered up by the Green Party. Nor have I in years. Plus, they can be a little single-minded on some issues... but not nearly as single-minded as the Libertarians: ME, MINE, I!

Side: Green Party

At a time when we have access to such a large amount of resources and in the U.S. there are more billionaires then anywhere else, it is important that we try to improve the lives of people around the world. Isolationism is no longer possible in a world that has has become globalized. Millions of people are killed and millions of women are raped each year in the worlds poorest nations. These hostile conditions breed terrorism and hatred against the west because many of the citizens of these nations blame us for their situation. Gaining international support to put pressure on corrupt and abusive governments is the best course of action.

Secondly when it comes to the economy, pure capitalism doesn't work. When the market works unrestrained poverty, inequality and greed are the results. Don't get me wrong, pure socialism doesn't work either; without some competition people won't work. A balance between the two has to be achieved though, and this is where the Libertarians are wrong.

The environment is also one of the most significant issues that we face and we need a party that can recognize and address this issue. I'm not just talking about global warming either. We can numerous other issues like the great pacific garbage patch, and the fact that the hole in the ozone is once again widening.

Side: Green Party
3 points

well, the part that i do agree with is how Isolationism doesn't work in today's society. how we should deal with terror countries is different IMO, but i am against the Libertarian party on foreign policy.

although, i guess i'm also against the Green's too.

Side: Libertarian Party
2 points

I honestly feel, that even though I am thirteen years old, I am overall growing up in a world, and a society that suffers from conservative economies, ignorance to big corporation greed, ignorance to the environment, and in the United states, where you can go away to prison for ten years for a non-violent drug offense, or go to jail for sadly being on drugs, and come out a worse person and with a ruined life, and where it is ok to spy on people using mass warrants like the unconstitutional Patriot act, and where it is okay to run around with a assault rifle, claiming you ARE GOING HUNTING. They are anti war, because lets face it, the last thirty years, we have gone into wars without reason, fueled by corporate greed. Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghanistan. Need I say more. I believe in giving foreign aid, but do so peacefully, by giving aid not to the armies, but to the people who are caught in war zones. The green party is most ideological in my eyes, speak sense, and understand that instead of taking government influence out of things, we need to reform it, and make it better for everyone.

Side: Green Party
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
1 point

conservative economies, ignorance to big corporation greed, ignorance to the environment, and in the United states, where you can go away to prison for ten years for a non-violent drug offense, or go to jail for sadly being on drugs, and come out a worse person and with a ruined life, and where it is ok to spy on people using mass warrants like the unconstitutional Patriot act

last thirty years, we have gone into wars without reason, fueled by corporate greed. Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghanistan. Need I say more. I believe in giving foreign aid, but do so peacefully, by giving aid not to the armies, but to the people who are caught in war zones

Absolutely. I'm against all of this, and the government has screwed this nation over and is a mass murdering tyrant.

where it is okay to run around with a assault rifle, claiming you ARE GOING HUNTING.

Why trust that very government that you criticized the shit out of to take away our only means of fighting back?

It's not about hunting. It's about protection, not just from criminals, but from the government itself.

Side: Libertarian Party
1 point

While I'm certainly more on the side of the Green Party, I can safely say that both Libertarians and Greens rank miles above Republicans and Democrats. Libertarians are like Republicans...if Republicans were consistent economically (spending millions on every war possible is in NO way conservative) and sensible socially. Plus, Libertarians aren't overrun by corruption. On the other side of the spectrum, Greens are like Democrats...if Democrats were consistent socially (everything from drugs to prostitution) or understood foreign policy. Plus, the Greens are way better on environmental issues (considering that's the base of there entire platform). I'd say the choice would have to be this: do you want to strive for absolute freedom or for absolute peace? It's a tough question.

Side: Green Party