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Tell Me Lies Sweet Little Lies
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Literally Everything Trump And His Supporters Say Is A Lie

And the facts prove it. 

Tell Me Lies

Side Score: 46
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Sweet Little Lies

Side Score: 41
5 points
Side: Tell Me Lies
5 points

Literally Everything Trump And His Supporters Say Is A Lie

Ignore the economy at all costs like the plague, eh nom?

Side: Tell Me Lies
excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

Ignore the economy at all costs like the plague

Hello bront:

Yes, the Obama BOOM continues under Trump.. What?? You DO know that Obama created MORE jobs than the Orangeman did? You DON'T know that???

Dude!

excon

Side: Sweet Little Lies
GhostOfNom(166) Disputed
1 point

Ignore the economy at all costs like the plague, eh nom?

I didn't say the economy was a liar. I said Trump and his supporters are liars. Hence, I don't trust Trump and his cronies when they tell me the economy is doing great. Bush and Cheney told us the economy was doing great too, and I don't know if you remember but the entire global system crashed. Millions of people lost their jobs and their homes. Many economists are already pulling at the strings of Trump's economic bullshit:-

Trump cheers ‘amazing’ economic growth as economists caution it could be a blip

“Trump has to be careful not to overhype this. There are still areas of the country that have not fully come back and that’s Trump’s constituency,” said Greg Valliere, chief global strategist at Horizon Investments. “Wage growth has been anemic.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ economy/the-economy-grew-at-a-41-percent-rate-in-the-second-quarter-the-highest-since-2014/2018/07/27/b2a174c2-9108-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38 story.html?noredirect=on&utmterm=.f07436456360

So clearly you are "overhyping" the economy as a means to avoid confronting your total lack of morality. I seem to remember the economy did pretty well under Hitler too: for a while. Besides which, the above quotation evidences fairly clearly that the economic boost is not benefiting ordinary workers, but rather Trump's buddies the elite rich.

Side: Sweet Little Lies
brontoraptor(28599) Disputed Banned
5 points

Lies n shit...wah wah wah...

158 + lies, brought to you by bront.

http://www.createdebate.com/browse/waterfall/GhostOfNom

You're welcome.

Side: Sweet Little Lies
GhostOfNom(166) Disputed
1 point

158 + lies, brought to you by bront

I don't understand why you are so desperate to get banned from the thread, but I'll happily oblige you.

Side: Tell Me Lies
Talkative(51) Banned
-1 points

Ok let's just pretend everything he says is a lie. Did Obama not lie? Did Bernie not lie? Or does everybody else in the world tell the truth apart from Trump and his supporters?

You do realise this is politics. Everyone is a liar.

What's more important is the effects of his presidency. In pretty much every measure it's been successful.

If the left didn't have a nuclear meltdown every single time Trump opened his mouth, I wouldn't be wasting as much time arguing with their BS and would spend more time agreeing with them on things he's actually done wrong, or they could bring to me things that he's genuinely done wrong instead of calling him Hitler just because they both mutually drink water.

Side: Tell Me Lies
GhostOfNom(166) Disputed
2 points

Ok let's just pretend everything he says is a lie. Did Obama not lie? Did Bernie not lie?

If your attempted argument here is that everyone lies, then that does not mean Hitler and Gandhi were equally honest. Attacking Gandhi also does not mean that Hitler was not a liar.

Hence, apart from being a total deflection of the point, your argument is a fallacy known as a false equivalency.

Now get out. You have nothing valid or intelligent to say.

Side: Sweet Little Lies
excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

Did Obama not lie?

Hello T:

Yes.. Obama lied.. He lied TWICE.. He said we have 57 states, and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor..

Only a wily investigator like yourself, could uncover Obama's lies, but you found 'em BOTH..

DUDE!

excon

Side: Sweet Little Lies
GhostOfNom(166) Clarified
1 point

He said we have 57 states

That wasn't even a lie. A lie requires the intent to deceive or deny the facts, but the above was just a Freudian slip. He messed up and said something stupid.

He did lie about 9/11 though. Obama is no idiot. He knows al Qaeda wasn't responsible for those attacks.

Side: Tell Me Lies
Rusticus(810) Disputed
1 point

I don't think Obama lied. He made a slip of the tongue and said 57 states. He was in the middle of a grueling campaign and he was tired when he said it. He's human. The Reich wing has latched onto his slip of the tongue and made a huge deal of it because they don't have anything else.

As far as the "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" goes, he was in the middle of a battle to get the AHCA passed and he wanted that to happen but the republicans perpetual recalcitrance forced him to concede that issue.

Side: Tell Me Lies
UncleWanker(74) Disputed Banned
0 points

Preventive care "saves money."

"If we went back to the obesity rates that existed back in the 1980s, the Medicare system over several years could save as much as a trillion dollars."

I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter."

Stimulus tax cuts "began showing up in paychecks of 4.8 million Indiana households about three months ago."

Health insurance companies are "making record profits, right now."

"We import more oil today than ever before."

In eighth grade math, we’ve fallen to ninth place."

There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jump-start the economy."

Senator McCain would pay for part of his (health care) plan by making drastic cuts in Medicare — $882-billion worth."

The centerpiece of Senator McCain's education policy is to increase the voucher program in D.C. by 2,000 slots."

Under John McCain's health care plan, people get a $5,000 tax credit to buy a $12,000 health care policy, and "that's a loss for you."

Oil companies ...currently have 68-million acres that they're not using."

McCain "has opposed stem cell research."

"But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week."

"The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.''

Oil companies "haven't touched" 68 million acres where they already have rights to drill.

Fully inflating tires is "a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent."

John McCain refuses to support a new bipartisan energy bill "because it would take away tax breaks from oil companies like Exxon Mobil."

Side: Tell Me Lies
UncleWanker(74) Disputed Banned
0 points

The U.S. government spends less on energy innovation "than the pet food industry invests in its own products.

"Our National Guard, as we saw in the Midwest flooding, can't function as effectively as it could. I was talking to National Guard representatives. Fifteen of their 17 helicopters in this region were overseas during the flooding."

I think we came down here (to Florida) one time ... but we weren't actively fundraising here."

"I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins."

He's promising four more years of an administration that will push for the privatization of Social Security..."

"We are bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years."

Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a 'boon' to our economy."

As has been noted by many observers, including Bill Clinton's former secretary of labor, my plan does more than anybody to reduce costs."

"She said, you know, 'I voted for it, but I hoped it wouldn't pass.' That was a quote on live TV."

Americans "have never paid more for gas at the pump."

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said — just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy."

Gas prices have never been higher, and Exxon Mobil's profits have never been higher."

"John wasn't this raging populist four years ago" when he ran for president.

"Right now, an employer has more of a chance of getting hit by lightning than be prosecuted for hiring an undocumented worker. That has to change."

If African-Americans vote their percentage of the population in 2008, "Mississippi is suddenly a Democratic state."

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/?page=4

Side: Tell Me Lies
Talkative(51) Disputed Banned
-1 points

What about all the lies uncovered during the investigation into Hillary, where he claimed not to know certain things but it later came out he did?

TBH I'm sure there's millions of lies. And saying there's 57 states isn't a lie as much as its just getting something wrong.

Side: Tell Me Lies
UncleWanker(74) Disputed Banned
-1 points

I said I'd end the war in Iraq. I did. I didn't end the war in Iraq.

Hillary Clinton is a corporate puppet. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified Presidential candidate in American history.

I'm not spying on you through your cell phones.

Says his comment about extremists being a JV team "wasn’t specifically referring to" Islamic State.

I believe marriage is between a woman and a man.

"Throughout, we have kept Congress fully informed of our efforts" to create a legal framework on counterterrorism.

Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up -- it's true -- but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years."

"Over the last four years, the deficit has gone up, but 90 percent of that is as a consequence of" President George W. Bush’s policies and the recession.

Fast and Furious" began under the Bush administration.

The only time government employment has gone down during a recession has been under me."

"For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs."

"Preventive care … saves money, for families, for businesses, for government, for everybody."

"Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law."

"I made a bunch of these promises during the campaign. ... We've got about 60 percent done in three years."

Under President Barack Obama, the United States has "doubled our exports."

The proposed budget "will help reduce the deficit by $400 billion over the next decade to the lowest level since Dwight Eisenhower was president."

Under the White House’s budget proposal, "we will not be adding more to the national debt" by the middle of the decade.

"I didn't raise taxes once."

When President Franklin D. Roosevelt started Social Security, "it only affected widows and orphans," and when Medicare began, "it was a small program."

The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.''

We've excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs."

Health reform will "give every American the same opportunity" to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.

Side: Tell Me Lies
1 point

Literally Everything Trump And His Supporters Say Is A Lie

And the facts prove it.

And THE Socialist shows up with what facts ?????????????? ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Sweet Little Lies
TX43 Disputed
0 points

Socialist shows up with these facts. ROTFFLMMFAO

The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined[1] grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, Holocaust deniers, and other far-right[2][3][4] fringe hate groups.

The alt-right movement has been considered by some political researchers a terrorist movement and the process of alt-right radicalization has been compared to Islamic terrorism by political scientists and leaders.[190][191][192][193][194]

A research study of 447 self-identified alt-right members found higher levels of psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism compared to the general population; and that members of the alt-right were more likely to express prejudice against black people and admit to engaging in aggressive behavior. Alt-right members also had significantly high levels of dehumanization, with the mean alt-right scores comparable to how the general public views the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Alt-right members viewed Hillary Clinton, Muslims, feminists, Nigerians and journalists as the least well rated groups on the dehumanization scale while white people, men and Americans were rated the best.

A paper on the subject stated that it clearly fell under an extremist movement, saying that "alt-right adherents also expressed hostility that could be considered extremist: they were quite willing to blatantly dehumanize both religious/national outgroups and political opposition groups"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#Etymology andscope

Side: Tell Me Lies
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

All Trump supporters and Trump voters were Russians were they not NOM ????????

Side: Sweet Little Lies
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Voting is a problem for the Socialist there NOM ! And i have a story to prove that written by a Progressive white woman in USA Today !

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/10/donald-trump-russia-election-inept-monarch-abolish-presidency-column/923543002/

Donald Trump is proof that the U.S. presidency is broken and democracy is in peril. It's time to amend the Constitution and abolish the presidency.

Talk about Authoritarian rule you Socialist own it !!!!!!!And i shall continue !

Abolish the POTUS!

We’ve seen it: the belligerent typo-ridden tweets; the fawning press conferences with autocrats and overlords; the self-described Nazis on parade praising an American president’s name. We have seen it with our own eyes. There is a bloated authoritarian lounging in his bathrobe in a 200-year-old mansion that used to symbolize the principal republic of the world.

This is a man who openly conspired to cheat with the help of a hostile foreign nation in a federal election. On election night, he came in second place, yet due to a scab of slavery in the Constitution (the electoral college), this usurper has the full power of the most powerful military in history, command of the treasury, the absolute power to pardon and he can unilaterally annihilate millions of people with his command to deploy nuclear weapons. He’s made refugees begging us for mercy into orphans hoping it will deter other asylum seekers — because he can. He’s now poised to put a man on the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh, who believes in supreme leaders (if they’re Republican that is).

And I have other bad news. The remedy in our Constitution for a treasonous turncoat who got into the White House on a technicality is impeachment. But guess what? Impeachment has never gotten rid of a bad president in this country. Not ever. Bill Clinton finished his term after being impeached. The threat of impeachment got Nixon to step down, but impeachment as a whole has failed. It’s never lived up to its promise.

LMMFAO NOM this Progressive white woman's hair is on fire.

Side: Sweet Little Lies
0 points

The President of the United States and the most powerful man in the world is a pathological liar. What a complete mess humans have made of this planet. It's pathetic.

Side: Sweet Little Lies