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 Ma'am is apparently a disrespectful term. (27)

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Ma'am is apparently a disrespectful term.

I guess anyone who watches the News probably knows about this.  A General referred to Senator Barbara Boxer as ma'am (which is what all military personal are supposed to call civilians, ma'am or sir, and he was calling the male senators "Sir").  She said to him "call me senator... I worked so hard for that title".  So apparently, she was disrespected by the most respectful term for a female (sir for male).

From this, I have conjured that Barbara Boxer is a feminazi elitist who has no respect for the General.  She wants to seem important by taking a stand against the term "ma'am" and is obviously an attention whore.

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5 points

Well, I don't think she was meaning to put down being called "ma'am," I think she just holds more pride in her actual label as a Senator, and wants to be called her highest... qualification. Erm, for instance, anyone with a Ph.D. would prefer they are referred to as "doctor" more than anything else.

1. Ma'am is not a disrespectful term nor did he use a disrespectful tone of voice.

2. The Queen of England is addressed as "your Majesty" at first and as Ma'am thereafter. http://www.wikihow.com/Formally-Address-British-Royalty-and-Aristocracy-in-Person

3. He addresses all male Senators as "Sir" and they don't have a hizzy fit.

4. It reminded me of a little girl named Elizabeth screaming at the top of her lungs, "Don't call me Liz!" In other words, it made her look immature. http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0609/No_namecalling.html?showall

5. It's as though she needs the title in order to overcome her insecurities.

6. She seemed a little arrogant and pompous.

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Barbara Boxer is pissed
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3 points

She's a democrat isn't she. I can just tell. --------->>>>>>>>>>;>>>>>>>>>>>>

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2 points

That's.... pretty bitchy. I mean, ma'am is a really polite thing to say. I could understand if he said "Well, bitch..." or something like that. ;)

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2 points

dude! lol that made me laugh!!!!

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pvtNobody(642) Disputed
2 points

I like the way that she scolds the general like a little kid and touts her "hard work" in getting her senate seat. While clearly the man wearing his country's uniform, who has sacrificed more than she can even imagine, clearly doesn't deserve to be addressed by his rank. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
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While clearly the man wearing his country's uniform, who has sacrificed more than she can even imagine, clearly doesn't deserve to be addressed by his rank.

And that is relevant how? Or even factual? How do you know she can't imagine how much he has sacrificed? Or that she wouldn't address him by his rank? How do you know he's even sacrificed more than her?

You don't.

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Ok, I don't get what you guys are referring to. I mean, I know what she's saying and when, and I"m watching her face and she doesn't look like she's being rude at all. In fact, she simply states it calmly then put her hand to her face and it seems like she's just tired and making a simple statement. Also, she also looks annoyed with whatever she's there listening to the General about. Do ya'll have something against Barbara or something?

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i have a problem with her elitism. As if he's not good enough to refer to her by the term that he's been trained to refer to everyone who is a civilian.

In fact, the terms Ma'am and Sir were created as a term of respect. Someone who has a rank is to be referred to as Sir or Ma'am. It's not like she was down graded. She was already being referred to as an elite.

Just how you call your boss sir or ma'am. It's because you are showing respect.

She's an elitist. She wants to hold her Senator title proudly, even though it's not that big a deal anyway. All being a senator means is that you were able to bullshit the voters enough in order to get that title. Politicians in general are narcissist, she just gave us some evidence.

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2 points

Anyone els think Generals are way cooler than senators? She should be more respectful to him.

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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
2 points

They should both show mutual respect for each other and anyone else who serves the country either politically or militarily.

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1 point

Yes they should. But I don't have to pretend like I think she is cool. (;

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2 points

Ma'am is just about as far from being disrespectful as you can get. Isn't it just the female version of addressing someone as sir

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Let me preface this by letting you all know that Barbara Boxer is my girl. Not only did I grow up in the fighting 6th, I have had the pleasure to personally thank her for her dedication. She is not a feminazi, she is a woman and a senator.

Now that you all know where my bias is, let me say this:

She did not say, "Call me Ma'am...." She asked him very politely and never gave a direct order. It was not unreasonable, and as Nicole said, very much like how Doctors prefer to be called Doctor rather than Sir. And they will correct you to no end.

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pvtNobody(642) Disputed
2 points

She wasn't polite at all, it was a rebuke for some imagined affront against her. I don't see this at all the same as referring to a doctor by his or her title, it's an entirely different situation. In the military one refers to one's superior as sir or ma'am when speaking to them or by their rank when addressing them. The general likely used the term without thinking at all, yet the senator acts as if it was deliberate attempt to belittle her. This was an unreasonable and uncalled for response and, as JC already mentioned, demonstrates her insecurity in her position and an excessively antagonistic attitude.

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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

She said "please and thank you" and "I'd appreciate it."

How is it a different situation than a doctor?

by their rank

Well she see this as her rank. Just as a General works hard to become and General, she worked hard to become a senator. So why can't she ask to be addressed as such?

She doesn't have an antagonistic attitude. If she wanted to start a fight she could have kept bringing up the issue or used it as an excuse to yell at him. She didn't raise her voice, she used all appropriate pleasantries, and she thanked him then dropped it.

It wasn't an attack, simply a request regarding her personal preference.

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If had been that General, I would have called her "Liz."

NOTE: see link below for reference made above ;)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0609/No_namecalling.html?showall

Supporting Evidence: Liz reference (www.politico.com)
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1 point

Wow, you guys sure can read a lot into a 30 second clip...

I mean from that, you could tell she's a femanazi and she doesn't respect his rank...

You should all be magicians.

What I heard was a Senator politely asking someone to use her title in a public meeting. Which would be protocol, for military or anyone.

Side: magicians all of you

Using the title of "Sir" and "Ma'am" is military protocol.

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

Maybe. But if a general wants a private to call him general instead of sir, are you, pyg, jake, MKIced, the dude with the dog icon, and the rest of you going to call him a malinazi?

Side: magicians all of you

I don't know Senator Boxer to be bitchy at all. Senator is, after all, her title and I'd be fairly certain most of them would prefer being addressed in that way. Another thing I'm fairly certain of is that she did address him as General during the interchange but the clip was designed to do only one thing...and that is to put Barbara Boxer down. She's been a Senator for about 17 years and is the current junior Democratic Senator from California. Senator Boxer (née Levy) made history in 1992 when she and Senator Dianne Feinstein became the first two Jewish females elected to the Senate.

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Its not disrespectful, however, perception is 9/10 of the law; she took it as disrespectful to be called ma'am, when she had put forth so many years and hard work into becoming a Senator.

Its no different than a Doctor wanting to be called Doctor rather than sir or ma'am, they worked to earn the title, why shouldnt they get to use it and ask others to call them by it?

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